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Wembley tickets - 39k officially SOLD OUT (p109)
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RDG said:Met don't want to deal with a capacity crowd on the same day as Premier League games happening? I can't imagine clubs, Wembley or the EFL wanting to leave money on the table, so I can't think why else they wouldn't have facilitated a potential sell out?
For various reasons in recent seasons there has been a standalone play-off final on one weekend with the other two matches on a different weekend.5 -
Could it be a case of Wembley, for whatever reason (safety certificate / police advice criteria), have a policy of only releasing a significant amount of extra tickets if the other team will realistically only bring under say 15k, and their sales support that.Eg Millwall received an allocation of 50,000 tickets (not including corporate) for their L1 Play-off v Scunthorpe in 2009, as Scunthorpe pretty quickly run out of steam at c7,000 sold. That was pretty straight forward & they were able to sell 49,661.
In this case, Wembley must have assumed Leyton Orient would sell at least 20,000 tickets. And probably suspected closer to 30,000. Which tbf to them, Orient have sold. Therefore, maybe it isn’t as straightforward as simply putting another 10,000 on sale to Charlton. I know, I know… even if Charlton sold 50,000 & Orient 30,000, that’s still 10,000 below the official capacity of 90,000. Yet, does anyone actually know how many tickets are for corporate, sponsors etc etc? As wasn’t the Cup final only 84,000 announced?!1 -
Brownie12 said:RDG said:Met don't want to deal with a capacity crowd on the same day as Premier League games happening? I can't imagine clubs, Wembley or the EFL wanting to leave money on the table, so I can't think why else they wouldn't have facilitated a potential sell out?2
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southamptonaddick said:The Red Robin said:Rufus is a dogs name said:Gravesend_Addick said:Surely the club can only communicate if there is something to communicate?
Or are people suggesting the club should issue a daily update that there is no update?2 -
Briston_Addick said:RDG said:Met don't want to deal with a capacity crowd on the same day as Premier League games happening? I can't imagine clubs, Wembley or the EFL wanting to leave money on the table, so I can't think why else they wouldn't have facilitated a potential sell out?
For various reasons in recent seasons there has been a standalone play-off final on one weekend with the other two matches on a different weekend.4 -
ForeverAddickted said:I wonder if its coming down to the fact that they cant issue us more tickets, even if they wanted to, because of how they've stupidly handled the distribution to Leyton Orient - If the only tickets available, are behind Orient supporters, I doubt we'd be given those on safety grounds.
In which case, the argument can be made, as to why have they allowed Orient to "spread out" so much.
the only issue should be avoiding a scenario of both sets of fans entering the ground at the same turnstiles.5 -
Woodwork said:Could it be a case of Wembley, for whatever reason (safety certificate / police advice criteria), have a policy of only releasing a significant amount of extra tickets if the other team will realistically only bring under say 15k, and their sales support that.Eg Millwall received an allocation of 50,000 tickets (not including corporate) for their L1 Play-off v Scunthorpe in 2009, as Scunthorpe pretty quickly run out of steam at c7,000 sold. That was pretty straight forward & they were able to sell 49,661.
In this case, Wembley must have assumed Leyton Orient would sell at least 20,000 tickets. And probably suspected closer to 30,000. Which tbf to them, Orient have sold. Therefore, maybe it isn’t as straightforward as simply putting another 10,000 on sale to Charlton. I know, I know… even if Charlton sold 50,000 & Orient 30,000, that’s still 10,000 below the official capacity of 90,000. Yet, does anyone actually know how many tickets are for corporate, sponsors etc etc? As wasn’t the Cup final only 84,000 announced?!1 -
If I had to take a wild guess, I suspect there won’t be any more tickets this late. I doubt Wembley would be able to get the extra staff in time now at this short notice.0
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CatAddick said:Covered End said:CatAddick said:cantersaddick said:shine166 said:Chrispy51 said:paulbaconsarnie said:letthegoodtimesroll said:paulbaconsarnie said:Spanish said:paulbaconsarnie said:Seeing as Orients general sale window ends at 5pm on Friday, I reckon we will be given a further block by block allocation after then.Anything before that time then whoever makes that decision is opening themselves up for criticism for ‘moving the goalposts’.
Could you imagine if roles were reversed and some of our fans planned to buy on Friday only for the allocation to be reduced and they missed out.
It does not make sense, if sales are slowing then the sooner we get the allocation the less stressful for everyone, particularly as the guy who alluded to the admin required...
Madness. But then we are only football fans....
I have a purchase history from being a (lapsed) season ticket holder and was lucky enough to get a ticket when that window opened.
Some people I know with similar circumstances weren’t as lucky.
I just think being able to get 3 additional tickets for people without history is not fair when others with more Charlton connection miss out.
If I miss out today and more tickets dont become available I will be very frustrated and may change my view, but I also feel that fans with the huge loyalty point totals and fans with season tickets who go to every home game have earned the right to bring friends/family along for the big day out. I could potentially argue that it should be 2 tickets per fan ID / season ticket etc. (as this would have allowed me to get tickets by now!) but I can see the rationale to get the tickets sold as soon as possible, hopefully filling the stadium
Family stands should be for young kids too, not 15/16/17 year olds who are probably having a pint before the match 😆
If you were to do this you'd need to make it really clear and telegraph it 2 years in advance. So that people can set up accounts and build purchase history's for those people. There should also be a reminder with every purchase of multiple tickets to assign them to the right people or risk them not being able to attend big games.
I'm just not sure we are at the point of needing to restict sales like that (yet!).
If you don't allocate the tickets to someone how on earth are the club to know?
However, the first 18 plus aways this season probably didn't have that issue and nor last season, so if you go to most of the games and register the 10 points from home games and 5 points from away games that you are ENTITLED to, then you could comfortably have racked up 600 odd points and I think we only needed 150 to enter. (Plus of course all the cup games and there are usually at least 5 per season).0 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:If I had to take a wild guess, I suspect there won’t be any more tickets this late. I doubt Wembley would be able to get the extra staff in time now at this short notice.0
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We've already been moved to the 1pm slot, either to "accommodate" sky and the PL or at the request of the police, or both. Now there is a ticket question to be answered on the basis that there is still unmet demand. Once the game is over it's not likely anyone will be interested in asking the question again, let alone fessing up with some answers.
We are stuck with no information, and some with no tickets, and that is indicative of a lack of accountability and its cousin, transparency, also known as treating football fans like crap.11 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:If I had to take a wild guess, I suspect there won’t be any more tickets this late. I doubt Wembley would be able to get the extra staff in time now at this short notice.2
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Rothko said:Woodwork said:Could it be a case of Wembley, for whatever reason (safety certificate / police advice criteria), have a policy of only releasing a significant amount of extra tickets if the other team will realistically only bring under say 15k, and their sales support that.Eg Millwall received an allocation of 50,000 tickets (not including corporate) for their L1 Play-off v Scunthorpe in 2009, as Scunthorpe pretty quickly run out of steam at c7,000 sold. That was pretty straight forward & they were able to sell 49,661.
In this case, Wembley must have assumed Leyton Orient would sell at least 20,000 tickets. And probably suspected closer to 30,000. Which tbf to them, Orient have sold. Therefore, maybe it isn’t as straightforward as simply putting another 10,000 on sale to Charlton. I know, I know… even if Charlton sold 50,000 & Orient 30,000, that’s still 10,000 below the official capacity of 90,000. Yet, does anyone actually know how many tickets are for corporate, sponsors etc etc? As wasn’t the Cup final only 84,000 announced?!1 -
Bedsaddick said:letthegoodtimesroll said:If I had to take a wild guess, I suspect there won’t be any more tickets this late. I doubt Wembley would be able to get the extra staff in time now at this short notice.2
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I think the low key cup final with disinterested man city fans and a puffed up plastic club like palace has lured wembley into a false sense of security. They were totally unprepared for the behemoth. Our support is being held back like the water behind the volta dam - they opened a small 1400 ticket crack yesterday and felt the force that flooded through - wembley are in shock at what we could unleash - it would be a tsunami they couldn't handle. I think the government have set up a cobra meeting.20
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Bedsaddick said:letthegoodtimesroll said:If I had to take a wild guess, I suspect there won’t be any more tickets this late. I doubt Wembley would be able to get the extra staff in time now at this short notice.0
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MartinCAFC said:ForeverAddickted said:I wonder if its coming down to the fact that they cant issue us more tickets, even if they wanted to, because of how they've stupidly handled the distribution to Leyton Orient - If the only tickets available, are behind Orient supporters, I doubt we'd be given those on safety grounds.
In which case, the argument can be made, as to why have they allowed Orient to "spread out" so much.
the only issue should be avoiding a scenario of both sets of fans entering the ground at the same turnstiles.
Football fans continue to be treated like shit, and are treated like herd mentality at times.
Create an issue with one section of the fans from that club, and they're probably worried they'll upset the whole lot.1 -
Evette Cooper 'I know Palace fans were very excited with their covent garden 'assembly' and their face paint but most were overgrown schoolboys dressed up in PE t shirts, tight shorts and plimsoles - and most were meeting their mum's at their seats - this is different and we don't want another Euro thingy on our hands.8
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Football requires firm segregation
Not just in the seated areas but also in access to the stadium
Charlton has the west end of the ground, red and yellow entrances H to P inclusive
We could only be allocated additional blocks where we would have discreet access e.g. use entrance G to access a Green block only if no Orient ticket holders would be using that access.
With two teams with supporter bases of such differing size, some empty seats are inevitable.
Charlton has about 11000 season ticket holders? Based on that a 38000 allocation ain't unreasonable.
How many ST's does Orient have?
If Charlton fans are facilitating daytrippers and plastics over and above other fans who couldn't buy this week for whatever reason, that's on them not Wembley, CAFC or the EFL.
There's plenty of CAFC tickets available on twatter and elsewhere, suggesting a goodly number of people on Charlton's database bought as many as they could as soon as they could and now have more than they can use - or they always intended to scalp.2 -
DOUCHER said:Evette Cooper 'I know Palace fans were very excited with their covent garden 'assembly' and their face paint but most were overgrown schoolboys dressed up in PE t shirts, tight shorts and plimsoles - and most were meeting their mum's at their seats - this is different and we don't want another Euro thingy on our hands - are there some asylum seekers we could hand the tickets out to and pretend Orient have sold out?9
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Wembley not feeling it necessary to supporters to provide any information & consequently limited information from Charlton supporters hasn’t helped.Neither the website that allows seat you clicked to disappear from under you in the Millisecond that it takes to click the basket whilst letting thousands on out of the queue in a mad scramble.Very disappointed particularly as for days, we have anticipated some tickets unsold to be released. It seemed completely counter to a supposed money making organisation to not optimise sales.2
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stoneroses19 said:DOUCHER said:Evette Cooper 'I know Palace fans were very excited with their covent garden 'assembly' and their face paint but most were overgrown schoolboys dressed up in PE t shirts, tight shorts and plimsoles - and most were meeting their mum's at their seats - this is different and we don't want another Euro thingy on our hands - are there some asylum seekers we could hand the tickets out to and pretend Orient have sold out?2
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Billy_Mix said:Football requires firm segregation
Not just in the seated areas but also in access to the stadium
Charlton has the west end of the ground, red and yellow entrances H to P inclusive
We could only be allocated additional blocks where we would have discreet access e.g. use entrance G to access a Green block only if no Orient ticket holders would be using that access.
With two teams with supporter bases of such differing size, some empty seats are inevitable.
Charlton has about 11000 season ticket holders? Based on that a 38000 allocation ain't unreasonable.
How many ST's does Orient have?
If Charlton fans are facilitating daytrippers and plastics over and above other fans who couldn't buy this week for whatever reason, that's on them not Wembley, CAFC or the EFL.
There's plenty of CAFC tickets available on twatter and elsewhere, suggesting a goodly number of people on Charlton's database bought as many as they could as soon as they could and now have more than they can use - or they always intended to scalp.
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Could it be that there are under instructions from the EFL not to say anymore than they have already??, for whatever reason.0
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I can't help thinking Barry Hearn is involved0
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instead of penalties, we're gonna have a round the board and the orient top tier will have the alexandra palace fancy dress gang in it0
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Right… having thought about it, I don’t think there is some big conspiracy. Just typical poor British planning & indifference.The initial allocations must represent the amount of tickets available minus segregation, Club Wembley etc etc. If a club looks very unlikely to sell more than 50% of that allocation, then they can make a quick decision to reallocate some of those to the other club. However, once a club sells over 70% (which Orient have), it means only a small amount of tickets can be released on an ad hoc basis that depends on different variables.And I guess the attitude may be, that only the likes of Manchester United, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Spurs and West Ham can really grumble in terms of allocation, as those are the only clubs that would see season ticket holders miss out on a trip to Wembley.0
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LargeAddick said:southamptonaddick said:The Red Robin said:Rufus is a dogs name said:Gravesend_Addick said:Surely the club can only communicate if there is something to communicate?
Or are people suggesting the club should issue a daily update that there is no update?25