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Thierry Small - signed a 4 year deal with Preston (p36)

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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,279
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    I don’t think so. Jones was the one who brought Small in, as they’d worked together previously. He simply didn’t play well enough at the start of the season, Edwards was better on the left so Small only played when he got injured. Small got given a chance on the right at Huddersfield and it didn’t work, we then tried other options which didn’t work, at Northampton we had no other options so we tried it again and it worked. Since then he’s been a starter every game until his recent injury. 

    I think Jones would definitely prefer to keep Small than sign a replacement, though we are probably shopping for wing backs anyway even if he stays 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Of course I would like him to stay but its worth remembering that he won’t find as much space and freedom in The Championship as he does in league one. Will he be as effective ? I doubt it. He’s young and I could easily be wrong but I’m not convinced he’s a desperate loss should he decide to depart. 
    Same with TC unfortunately, with the big games (against better full backs) he seems to fade, I think he'll find it very difficult in the Championship. They're both still young & TC stepped up last season so hopefully can do so again.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,279
    edited May 28
    charltonbob said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Of course I would like him to stay but its worth remembering that he won’t find as much space and freedom in The Championship as he does in league one. Will he be as effective ? I doubt it. He’s young and I could easily be wrong but I’m not convinced he’s a desperate loss should he decide to depart. 
    Same with TC unfortunately, with the big games (against better full backs) he seems to fade, I think he'll find it very difficult in the Championship. They're both still young & TC stepped up last season so hopefully can do so again.
    There will be more space in behind in the championship. Think that’s a development area for both, they are both good when you get the ball to their feet, but I’d like to see them run in behind more next season. TC did it a lot at the start of the season but recently he’s been all about ball to feet and 1v1 at the full back instead 
  • superdulvertonred
    superdulvertonred Posts: 1,137
    I am sure like 99% of us Nathan would love Thierry to sign still young and so much pot for Jones to bring out
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254

    JustFloydRoad said:
    Braziliance said:
    markmc68 said:
    I spoke personally to Thierry and asked him if he’s signing a contract to stay and he said he’s staying at Charlton. He may have said it just to pacify me  his words were it’s already done. Don’t shoot the messenger. 
    Just a reminder that George Dobson, Alfie May and Corey Blackett-Taylor, all told me they would stay at Charlton, shook my hand on it, and Dobson & CBT both said its all on the club not them, as they love it here. 

    All three left. 
    Alfie May/ CBT was probably a money moves tbf (Charlton making something on them), Dobson didn't return when his previous deal fell through
    I don't think that we contacted him re coming back
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,766
    edited May 28
    charltonbob said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Of course I would like him to stay but its worth remembering that he won’t find as much space and freedom in The Championship as he does in league one. Will he be as effective ? I doubt it. He’s young and I could easily be wrong but I’m not convinced he’s a desperate loss should he decide to depart. 
    Same with TC unfortunately, with the big games (against better full backs) he seems to fade, I think he'll find it very difficult in the Championship. They're both still young & TC stepped up last season so hopefully can do so again.

    But this is true even if the best wingers. Doku was out marked during the FA Cup final and found it difficult to impact.
    There is room for TC to improve, but he is already a very good player. Watch this space.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,939
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    I think we signed Edwards to be backup to both Small and Gillesphey, but it just turned out Edwards got in and played so well he was undroppable.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,363
    North Lower Neil said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    I think we signed Edwards to be backup to both Small and Gillesphey, but it just turned out Edwards got in and played so well he was undroppable.
    Not sure about that, we needed more than one LWB and giving Edwards a 4 year deal shows we rated him highly.
  • Foxycafc
    Foxycafc Posts: 1,209
    Has been offered a new deal
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,975
    Wasn't he offered that a while ago but hasn't signed anything. 
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  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,803
    superdulvertonred said:
    I am sure like 99% of us Nathan would love Thierry to sign still young and so much pot for Jones to bring out
    Totally news to me that Jones keeps a stash of weed and only brings it out after young player signings for a communal bonding session. Good man.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,662
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    If Nathan didn't want him he wouldn't have been offered a new contract. 
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    edited May 30
    Nothing Nathan Jones has ever said, on record, about Thierry Small suggests he's not wanted here. This is what NJ said about Small in January:

    "The best is yet to come from him because this is the first time he has found a home where people really care about him."
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,939
    Scoham said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    I think we signed Edwards to be backup to both Small and Gillesphey, but it just turned out Edwards got in and played so well he was undroppable.
    Not sure about that, we needed more than one LWB and giving Edwards a 4 year deal shows we rated him highly.
    I agree, I'm not saying we never expected Edwards to play - maybe competition for Small at LWB and Gillesphey at LCB is a better word for it than backup.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,939
    blackpool72 said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    If Nathan didn't want him he wouldn't have been offered a new contract. 
    We need to offer him a new deal to get compensation I think?  Same as we have for others in the past.

    That said, I completely disagree with Crispywood and think Jones would be delighted if Small stayed.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 623
    North Lower Neil said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    If Nathan didn't want him he wouldn't have been offered a new contract. 
    We need to offer him a new deal to get compensation I think?  Same as we have for others in the past.

    That said, I completely disagree with Crispywood and think Jones would be delighted if Small stayed.
    Just a feeling start of the season he was meant to be a deputy to Edwards, and been hooked early in a few games this season. Think we’ve done it purely to get compensation for him. Feels like a Dobson situation offered him a deal but nowhere near what he wants or guaranteed him regular football 
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,921
    The longest contract talks since Mullins & Purse!
  • mcgrandall
    mcgrandall Posts: 931
    Crispywood said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    If Nathan didn't want him he wouldn't have been offered a new contract. 
    We need to offer him a new deal to get compensation I think?  Same as we have for others in the past.

    That said, I completely disagree with Crispywood and think Jones would be delighted if Small stayed.
    Just a feeling start of the season he was meant to be a deputy to Edwards, and been hooked early in a few games this season. Think we’ve done it purely to get compensation for him. Feels like a Dobson situation offered him a deal but nowhere near what he wants or guaranteed him regular football 
    Most of the games he was substituted was to allow a second striker to come on and  change Godden's role imo. Although there were definitely some where it wasn't working for him, but that has to be expected in a new position he is developing in. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Crispywood said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    If Nathan didn't want him he wouldn't have been offered a new contract. 
    We need to offer him a new deal to get compensation I think?  Same as we have for others in the past.

    That said, I completely disagree with Crispywood and think Jones would be delighted if Small stayed.
    Just a feeling start of the season he was meant to be a deputy to Edwards, and been hooked early in a few games this season. Think we’ve done it purely to get compensation for him. Feels like a Dobson situation offered him a deal but nowhere near what he wants or guaranteed him regular football 
    "Regular football"?! The man played 39 of our league games last season, and there's no way we're getting a more explosive player for less than what we'd be offering Small. He should be, imo, a player that we try and retain and continue to develop. He's 20 years old! I really really doubt this viewpoint of yours is accurate
  • theeenorth
    theeenorth Posts: 2,277
    Nobend never stop going on about him. Even local paper was running stories about if we didn't go up then they could get him.
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,984
    edited May 30
    Crispywood said:
    Am I the only one who personally thinks Nathan Jones doesn’t want Small. Look back to the start of the season he was always meant to be a backup to Edwards only really got a chance when Ramsay and Watson both got injured at the same time, even then Zach, REG and TC were played there before the infamous Northampton game where small started at RWB. At 19 obviously would be stupid to not offer him a contract because of his massive resale potential and what he can become but feels very much like a Dobson situation offer him a salary and role that values him as a squad player and if he signs it great but if he moves on we have someone to come in who Jones would prefer 
    He was a first team regular in a side that just got promoted, he's young with a lot of potential and he won't cost us a transfer fee. There's no way at all that Jones will not want to keep him when we need to build a decent squad, not lose players from it.

    That said i think it's pretty clear that Small is assessing his options, and i'd personally be quite surprised if he stays.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    I agree I think if he was staying it would have been announced by now. Unfortunately I think the lad will be making a big mistake by leaving somewhere he can develop 
  • CarltonAthleticDance
    CarltonAthleticDance Posts: 181
    Maybe the guys he’s on holiday with, will convince him to stay? That said it looked like Chuks and Tennai were there …
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    CarltonAthleticDance said:
    Maybe the guys he’s on holiday with, will convince him to stay? That said it looked like Chuks and Tennai were there …
    You mean two players who Charlton have just rejected to re-sign? Might not be our best advocates anymore.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,551
    redbuttle said:
    Wasn't he offered that a while ago but hasn't signed anything. 
    Yes, since the new year at least.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,826
    He won't sign anything until after he returns from the players holiday anyway 
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,515
    Hopefully a hefty pay increase has been offered. Get it done and done quickly - this lad will be worth a lot in a season or two. His maturity belies his youth (as I have said before) and we are only just seeing the early sparks nowhere yet near the finished article.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,141
    I rarely, well never, agree with everyone saying players should stay at Charlton, go make hay why the sun shines elsewhere cos saying you stayed at Charlton doesn’t pay the bills in a few years time 
    BUT this fella just feels like if he goes elsewhere he won’t have the fans patience that we will offer him , a few bad games misplaced passes , step overs with no end result and other clubs fans will get frustrated.
    Stay here and develop with us because the fans are already onside and see where that takes you .
    Seems a nice humble lad so good luck to him whatever route he takes .
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,806
    Looks like he’s on holiday with Tenni, Chuks and Ramsey…..let’s hope he’s in a room with Ramsey 🤣

    in fairness I doubt Chuks has a bad word to say about us
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 623
    Rumours going around from Preston’s end that they’ve offered Small 5k a week more than us to get him to sign 

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