Tony Watt - Waste of a Talent

Ultimately I’ll always have good memories of him at Charlton and seems a decent guy too 

That second half of the season under Luzon we had an exciting team going forward. When you look at some of the names, Watt, JBG, Bulot, Buyens, Igor (when fit) there were some decent players there.

Looking the line up for that Celtic game versus Barcelona, FOUR future Addicks played for Celtic that evening. Watt and Adam Matthews plus the Charlton legends Beram Kayal and Joe Ledley. Barca had only one former loanee (Alex Song) and instead had to make do with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alba, Mascherano, Pedro etc

Perhaps his career peaked with that goal against Barcelona, some players spend years building up to their peak, others do it in reverse.

Diebythesword said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Bostonaddick said:

Lot of revisionistic history relating to Tony.  Didn’t perform well for us, all the managers couldn’t stand him because he didn’t take the training ground seriously and showed up out of shape each year.  A number of his teammates didn’t like him(at least the more professional ones) - well except for JJ.  JJ loved him for some reason.  

I think that's more of a reflection on JJ being the world's most approachable bloke

Also could see the talent, that tony was really a nice guy and that the hairdryer treatment clearly didn’t work on him and just needed an arm round him. 

Think JJ had a soft spot for big personalities, I remember he got on well with frimpong when he was here (I remember the Twitter exchanges of #straightred about each others fashion choices)

I had almost forgotten that we had that Frimpong bloke here!! We have had so many shockers, that it is genuinely hard to recall them all (though Tresor Kandol stands out).

One of my earliest memories of him was appearing on Soccer AM, when he had the aloof and kingly manner of a man that had been capped one hundred times by his country, played regularly in the PL and picked up a couple of UCL titles into the mix! I think he'd played three or four time for Arsenal in the Rumbelows cup at the time, so had delusions of grandeur beyond belief.

He just kept saying 'Dench' the whole time, and name-checking the loftier members of the Arsenal squad, and generally across as a bigger bell-end than Tim Lovejoy which in retrospect may have been his biggest football achievement.

I guess he is a complex character, for want of any other reasonable phrase. He obviously genuinely loves the game, unlike Lyle Taylor, but again unlike Taylor, I have to reluctantly conclude that things got in the way of him making best use of his undoubted talent. The dizzying story of the sheer number and spread of clubs he signed for is evidence of that. For sure he came to us at a bad time, but his performances didn’t really improve anywhere else. 

Completely forgot Kayal signed alongside the woeful Hemed. 

I think Kayal was actually the better of the two for us. 

ElliotCAFC said:

Dazzler21 said:

Completely forgot Kayal signed alongside the woeful Hemed. 

I think Kayal was actually the better of the two for us. 

Hemed was rubbish but at least he got on the pitch for us. Did Kayal ever complete a full 90?

Kayal had a decent CV but only got on the pitch 6 times for CAFC and we didn't unfortunately get the Celtic and Brighton best version of Beram Kayal.

ElfsborgAddick said:

shirty5 said:

https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/tony-watt-arrives-in-maryhill/

His 8th different Scottish club in his career now 

Thistle Head Coach Mark Wilson said:

“To secure a player like Tony is a real coup for the club. I played with him briefly when he was a youngster at Celtic and he’s gone on to have a distinguished career since then".

Hmmmm, I'm not so sure about that.

Think he means Watt’s fire has gone out.

golfaddick said:

shirty5 said:

https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/tony-watt-arrives-in-maryhill/

His 8th different Scottish club in his career now 

A new version of doing the 92 😄

Doing the 42 in Scotland.

I am curious.

Apparently Blackburn get credited as his club when he obtained his full cap Scotland.

Iirc he was only on loan there. What is the protocol re Full Caps and loan clubs? Surely we should be able to claim it as well. 

shirty5 said:

Richard J said:

I am curious.

Apparently Blackburn get credited as his club when he obtained his full cap Scotland.

Iirc he was only on loan there. What is the protocol re Full Caps and loan clubs? Surely we should be able to claim it as well. 

It’s on here along with Kishishev’s and Johansson’s caps when they were on loan to Leeds and Norwich respectively 

https://cafcfactsstats.com/internationals/

In my opinion there should be a small committee to collate these stats 

In a similar vein I guess Jorge Costa received caps on loan with us and they are credited to the Addicks. 

Officially, his cap isn’t recognised by the club as one earned whilst a Charlton player so doesn’t count towards our tally of internationals. As a result, he isn’t added to the International Role of Honour board at The Valley.
As Richard says, in the same vein, we claim loanees’ caps for players who play for their countries while they represent us, so you couldn’t have it both ways in that sense.

shirty5 said:

Ollywozere said:

Officially, his cap isn’t recognised by the club as one earned whilst a Charlton player so doesn’t count towards our tally of internationals. As a result, he isn’t added to the International Role of Honour board at The Valley.
As Richard says, in the same vein, we claim loanees’ caps for players who play for their countries while they represent us, so you couldn’t have it both ways in that sense.

In that case then Dan Kanu’s cap whilst on loan at Southend would not count either?

Hence my earlier comment on a committee to decide these matters 

Don’t think he’s on the honours board (although I don’t think it’s been updated for a while) 

shirty5 said:

Ollywozere said:

Officially, his cap isn’t recognised by the club as one earned whilst a Charlton player so doesn’t count towards our tally of internationals. As a result, he isn’t added to the International Role of Honour board at The Valley.
As Richard says, in the same vein, we claim loanees’ caps for players who play for their countries while they represent us, so you couldn’t have it both ways in that sense.

In that case then Dan Kanu’s cap whilst on loan at Southend would not count either?

Hence my earlier comment on a committee to decide these matters 

There’s no committee needed for this particular issue to be fair as the policy has been in place for a decent amount of time now and will be understood internally (in theory!).