I wish I had the first clue what you lot are arguing about in here....
It’s just classic wrestling tribalism, really — the kind that takes you right back to the 90s when playground debates raged over whether WWF or WCW was better. Fast forward to today, and it’s the same energy, just with AEW vs WWE, and the arguing happening between grown men in their 30s and 40s.
On one side, you’ve got WWE fans backing what’s essentially the Disney or Microsoft of pro wrestling: a mega-corporation that’s more than happy to take money from regimes with appalling human rights records. On the other, AEW fans champion a promotion known for its overly-choreographed, flippy indie style, with a fondness for signing wrestlers well past their prime and still putting titles on them.
The irony, of course, is that both companies are guilty of the very same things their fanbases accuse the other of. Though to be fair, AEW haven’t started running pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia.
I wish I had the first clue what you lot are arguing about in here....
It’s just classic wrestling tribalism, really — the kind that takes you right back to the 90s when playground debates raged over whether WWF or WCW was better. Fast forward to today, and it’s the same energy, just with AEW vs WWE, and the arguing happening between grown men in their 30s and 40s.
On one side, you’ve got WWE fans backing what’s essentially the Disney or Microsoft of pro wrestling: a mega-corporation that’s more than happy to take money from regimes with appalling human rights records. On the other, AEW fans champion a promotion known for its overly-choreographed, flippy indie style, with a fondness for signing wrestlers well past their prime and still putting titles on them.
The irony, of course, is that both companies are guilty of the very same things their fanbases accuse the other of. Though to be fair, AEW haven’t started running pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia.
I wish I had the first clue what you lot are arguing about in here....
It’s just classic wrestling tribalism, really — the kind that takes you right back to the 90s when playground debates raged over whether WWF or WCW was better. Fast forward to today, and it’s the same energy, just with AEW vs WWE, and the arguing happening between grown men in their 30s and 40s.
On one side, you’ve got WWE fans backing what’s essentially the Disney or Microsoft of pro wrestling: a mega-corporation that’s more than happy to take money from regimes with appalling human rights records. On the other, AEW fans champion a promotion known for its overly-choreographed, flippy indie style, with a fondness for signing wrestlers well past their prime and still putting titles on them.
The irony, of course, is that both companies are guilty of the very same things their fanbases accuse the other of. Though to be fair, AEW haven’t started running pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia.
......yet!
Up the WCW!
Yep I was on the WCW side of history unfortunately! As bad as it got in 2000-01, I was still heartbroken when they went under, and essentially got buried by Vinny Mac.
They got buried by Time-Warner-AOL. Only company to ever compete with WWF/E and the one that's caused the most changes in wrestling excluding WWE.
Watching Evolution. Jade's no selling is insane, she isn't main roster ready let alone ready for a title shot at Summerslam.
Absolutely, but buried by Vince in the sense that he could have kept the brand alive after he bought them, instead he botched an "invasion" storyline that could have been a legendary WWF v WCW angle.
Wrestling tribalism in 2025 is cringeworthy, even when in a thread largely comprised of wrestling fans.
It’s a niche enough interest in the grand scheme of things as it already is.
If your first thought after seeing a show is to log onto Charlton Life to make snarky comments about another wrestling promotion purely in the hope it gets under someone’s skin then you genuinely need to evaluate where your life is IMO.
They got buried by Time-Warner-AOL. Only company to ever compete with WWF/E and the one that's caused the most changes in wrestling excluding WWE.
Watching Evolution. Jade's no selling is insane, she isn't main roster ready let alone ready for a title shot at Summerslam.
Absolutely, but buried by Vince in the sense that he could have kept the brand alive after he bought them, instead he botched an "invasion" storyline that could have been a legendary WWF v WCW angle.
Oh right, you're correct on that front, ego is something else! There are still people out there believe it failed due to a lack of stars and not because Vince didn't want WCW to go over.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
I definitely do. Always loved wrestling. Plenty of people take the piss, but why would I care what anyone else thinks.
Just makes me laugh when people say it’s fake. I imagine when Punk tore his triceps of the bone back in 2024 and carried on performing for 20 minutes he wished it was fake.
I copy a lot of their workouts in the gym and they are ridiculous hard. Still have not achieved shoulder pressing 50kg yet like one of them.
Thought Evolution was brilliant last night. Shame the build up was very limited and rushed.
So much talent in the women’s division who just need the airtime to show their personality and skills.
It would help if they stopped giving air time to the likes of Trish and Brie Bella, they're not needed anymore. Likewise Stephanie.
I like how WWE has rewritten history, like how they did with WCW, so that Stephanie is the one who pushed the women and nothing to do with the great matches TNA had. The fans were chanting better than divas! Likewise Joshi wrestlers who are the only Japanese wrestlers WWE seem to push and are is where the likes of the Stephanie Vaquer and Mariah May learned their craft.
That said. I don't see the need for a separate women's PPV anymore. Obviously the first one was due to blood money, I'll get that in before you know who!
Seth's injury maybe good news for Bron and Bronson...
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
The sports entertainment wrestlers themselves....they work very hard and deserve a lot of gratitude for what they do.
I don't care how much they get paid. They are working almost non-stop (contract dependant) and are very much in the public eye - that also comes at a price.
They have to put a lot of effort in towards looking after themselves in every way and they are always on the move.
I know the training effort will make them adequate enough to cope for the in ring physical brutal take downs, but it will still always be painful and damaging on the body regardless of how much they prepare for or practice it.
Having some fat bloke jump on you while you're on the floor or on an announce table.....
There is no clear safe and painless way to get around that.
I get injured just from walking down the street.
I'd hate to be a professional wrestler even if I had the body and or acting talent required for it.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
The fake one is more brutal than the real one, which I do, but carry on. That has no relevance to Braziliance's point and I wonder why you would post on a thread about something you don't watch?
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
So what exactly is "the point" you're alluding to, because you've not made it very clear what you're saying. Something to do with adults knowingly watching a scripted TV show that you don't watch?
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
So what exactly is "the point" you're alluding to, because you've not made it very clear what you're saying. Something to do with adults knowingly watching a scripted TV show that you don't watch?
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.
I guess what I’m getting at is why do adults want to watch it when there are versions of it that are completely unscripted and surely are more entertaining?
I just don’t get the lure for it as an adult, I can completely understand it as a child.
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
So what exactly is "the point" you're alluding to, because you've not made it very clear what you're saying. Something to do with adults knowingly watching a scripted TV show that you don't watch?
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.
I guess what I’m getting at is why do adults want to watch it when there are versions of it that are completely unscripted and surely are more entertaining?
I just don’t get the lure for it as an adult, I can completely understand it as a child.
Some people just like different things to you. It really is that simple
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
So what exactly is "the point" you're alluding to, because you've not made it very clear what you're saying. Something to do with adults knowingly watching a scripted TV show that you don't watch?
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.
I guess what I’m getting at is why do adults want to watch it when there are versions of it that are completely unscripted and surely are more entertaining?
I just don’t get the lure for it as an adult, I can completely understand it as a child.
Some people just like different things to you. It really is that simple
I get that, but I’m interested in why people like it? Like what makes it exciting even though it’s fake, is Logan Paul that good of an actor?
Do grown men actually watch this stuff? I stopped watching WWE at like 13/14.
You do realise we as grown men also watch a bunch of football players run around kicking a sphere object getting paid thousands to do so.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Football is completely unscripted - Wrestling is scripted and rehearsed I'd imagine so they are worlds apart, you could even argue that the WWE/Scripted wrestling is more of a performance than an actual sport.
You've missed the point. Both are things you get into as a child and watch as an adult. There's probably some incredible cool person posting on football forums asking if grown men still watch it as they stopped when they were 12/13.
The point is ones a real legit sport and ones an acting show, there is wrestling as a sport which is real and brutal but the TV stuff is very different to that.
So what exactly is "the point" you're alluding to, because you've not made it very clear what you're saying. Something to do with adults knowingly watching a scripted TV show that you don't watch?
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.
I guess what I’m getting at is why do adults want to watch it when there are versions of it that are completely unscripted and surely are more entertaining?
I just don’t get the lure for it as an adult, I can completely understand it as a child.
You didn't realise it was fake until 13/14?! Real fights can be over in seconds (there's your clue) and real grappling is extremely dull to watch unless you understand the sport. I posted an exciting grappling match on the UFC thread and no one was interested. 🥲
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I genuinely believe if Goldberg turned up at AEW last year you would have supported it. Tribalism is bizarre.
It’s just classic wrestling tribalism, really — the kind that takes you right back to the 90s when playground debates raged over whether WWF or WCW was better. Fast forward to today, and it’s the same energy, just with AEW vs WWE, and the arguing happening between grown men in their 30s and 40s.
On one side, you’ve got WWE fans backing what’s essentially the Disney or Microsoft of pro wrestling: a mega-corporation that’s more than happy to take money from regimes with appalling human rights records. On the other, AEW fans champion a promotion known for its overly-choreographed, flippy indie style, with a fondness for signing wrestlers well past their prime and still putting titles on them.
The irony, of course, is that both companies are guilty of the very same things their fanbases accuse the other of. Though to be fair, AEW haven’t started running pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia.
......yet!
Watching Evolution. Jade's no selling is insane, she isn't main roster ready let alone ready for a title shot at Summerslam.
It’s a niche enough interest in the grand scheme of things as it already is.
Battle Royale was surprisingly decent. Lash Legend is starting to look like a real prospect. I've never seen much in her before.
Nothing wrong with a bit of wrestling.
Professional Wrestling is cool
Just makes me laugh when people say it’s fake. I imagine when Punk tore his triceps of the bone back in 2024 and carried on performing for 20 minutes he wished it was fake.
So much talent in the women’s division who just need the airtime to show their personality and skills.
I like how WWE has rewritten history, like how they did with WCW, so that Stephanie is the one who pushed the women and nothing to do with the great matches TNA had. The fans were chanting better than divas! Likewise Joshi wrestlers who are the only Japanese wrestlers WWE seem to push and are is where the likes of the Stephanie Vaquer and Mariah May learned their craft.
That said. I don't see the need for a separate women's PPV anymore. Obviously the first one was due to blood money, I'll get that in before you know who!
Seth's injury maybe good news for Bron and Bronson...
I don't care how much they get paid. They are working almost non-stop (contract dependant) and are very much in the public eye - that also comes at a price.
They have to put a lot of effort in towards looking after themselves in every way and they are always on the move.
I know the training effort will make them adequate enough to cope for the in ring physical brutal take downs, but it will still always be painful and damaging on the body regardless of how much they prepare for or practice it.
Having some fat bloke jump on you while you're on the floor or on an announce table.....
There is no clear safe and painless way to get around that.
I get injured just from walking down the street.
I'd hate to be a professional wrestler even if I had the body and or acting talent required for it.
Not having a dig. Just baffled as to what you want to convey or learn.