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Greg Wallace, total spanner.
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I’ve never watched an episode but how does it change their life?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it0 -
Previous winners have gone on to be pretty successful restauranteurs and food writers , there's no cash prize but it's about having the connections that the show brings.JaShea99 said:
I’ve never watched an episode but how does it change their life?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it
The winner of the first ever series went on to create Wahaca the Mexican restaurant chain.5 -
I agree with the view that the series should be shown for the sake of the contestants.1
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I think the BBC won’t show the series already recorded because they’ll want the dust to settle before revamping it with new presenters. Personally I think Simon King the remaining Hairy Biker would easily fill Wallace’s shoes and there’s plenty of celebrity chefs that would jump at the gig to replace Torode.1
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I have never watched the show and really have no idea who Gregg and John are.
But if there is a series in the can, in order for it not to go to waste wouldn’t it be an opportunity for artificial intelligence to take over?
You generate one of those floaty faces for Gregg and John, and feed their speech through some sort of machine to artificially create a different voice or accent.2 -
Great idea. Perhaps they could replace them with thisjose said:I have never watched the show and really have no idea who Gregg and John are.
But if there is a series in the can, in order for it not to go to waste wouldn’t it be an opportunity for artificial intelligence to take over?
You generate one of those floaty faces for Gregg and John, and feed their speech through some sort of machine to artificially create a different voice or accent.
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I've never watched a single episode of Masterchef in my life so can't say any of this bothers me, but reading what Torode has effectively been fired for is incredible.
Something that allegedly happened 7 years ago which Torode denies and says he can't even remember. How on earth can you get sacked for that?
If my boss came to me and said sorry we've got to let you go because XXX person says you said this back in 2018, i'd think he was on a wind up.12 -
Also happened 7 years ago away from his workplace I believe?Chris_from_Sidcup said:I've never watched a single episode of Masterchef in my life so can't say any of this bothers me, but reading what Torode has effectively been fired for is incredible.
Something that allegedly happened 7 years ago which Torode denies and says he can't even remember. How on earth can you get sacked for that?
If my boss came to me and said sorry we've got to let you go because XXX person says you said this back in 2018, i'd think he was on a wind up.
I doubt many people would keep jobs if you could be sacked for saying something outside of work, the things I scream at opposition players and at referees most match-days would probably put me on the dole permanently!6 -
And of course something can be taken out of context and look worse than it is. If what was said wasn' recorded, and it may have been, surely it is somebody's word against another. But this is all detail we don't know but I'm sure Torode will take action if there is a case.0
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He wasn't sacked. He has a contract and the production company said they won't renew it.MuttleyCAFC said:It doesn't feel like there has been a proper process in terms of the sacking of John Torode. But we only have what both sides have said. I suppose Torode can take legal action which he should do if he has been wronged.1 - Sponsored links:
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Much of it is formulaic soporific nonsense designed to provide the sedentry masses with low-level entertainment at comparatively little cost. Most tv is crap, some tv is good, and a small amount is excellent. Much tv is just about good enough to meet one of Lord Reith's values of 'inform, educate and entertain'. Very little delivers on all three fronts. It was always like this and it probably always will be. I don't think anything changes much in tellyland either by travelling through time or across national boundaries. I think the big difference in the past was that telly was newer and comparatively more exciting and people didn't clock just how much the same formats and formulas were being employed. We're older now and more savvy as a result of seeing it all before, what used to pass as OK is now tired and boring. I don't think we should imagine that there was a golden age that is now lost; if you look at some of the old programmes that are available on iPlayer and YouTube they are truly dreadful. The trick as a viewer is to be selective, rather than just accepting what's dished up.usetobunkin said:Masterchef.... Is a dead horse that responds to flogging.
Absolute crap of the highest order.
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Depends what sector you work in. Public sector you’d absolutely get kicked out for that. Or they’d try.Chris_from_Sidcup said:I've never watched a single episode of Masterchef in my life so can't say any of this bothers me, but reading what Torode has effectively been fired for is incredible.
Something that allegedly happened 7 years ago which Torode denies and says he can't even remember. How on earth can you get sacked for that?
If my boss came to me and said sorry we've got to let you go because XXX person says you said this back in 2018, i'd think he was on a wind up.0 -
I suspect both presenters would then need to be paid for it.jose said:I have never watched the show and really have no idea who Gregg and John are.
But if there is a series in the can, in order for it not to go to waste wouldn’t it be an opportunity for artificial intelligence to take over?
You generate one of those floaty faces for Gregg and John, and feed their speech through some sort of machine to artificially create a different voice or accent.0 -
Exactly my thinking.Chris_from_Sidcup said:I've never watched a single episode of Masterchef in my life so can't say any of this bothers me, but reading what Torode has effectively been fired for is incredible.
Something that allegedly happened 7 years ago which Torode denies and says he can't even remember. How on earth can you get sacked for that?
If my boss came to me and said sorry we've got to let you go because XXX person says you said this back in 2018, i'd think he was on a wind up.0 -
Well one man’s meat is another man’s poison. I’m sure there are programmes that you enjoy that I wouldn’t give the time of day and vice versa. A major issue with tv these days is that unlike in early years there is a demand for television 24 hours a day. There is a requirement to produce cheap tv in order to fill the schedules. Game shows are very cheap to make. Prize money is crap and it’s all filmed two or three shows at a time in a studio. As you say be selective but not everyone is going to select the same shows.Stig said:
Much of it is formulaic soporific nonsense designed to provide the sedentry masses with low-level entertainment at comparatively little cost. Most tv is crap, some tv is good, and a small amount is excellent. Much tv is just about good enough to meet one of Lord Reith's values of 'inform, educate and entertain'. Very little delivers on all three fronts. It was always like this and it probably always will be. I don't think anything changes much in tellyland either by travelling through time or across national boundaries. I think the big difference in the past was that telly was newer and comparatively more exciting and people didn't clock just how much the same formats and formulas were being employed. We're older now and more savvy as a result of seeing it all before, what used to pass as OK is now tired and boring. I don't think we should imagine that there was a golden age that is now lost; if you look at some of the old programmes that are available on iPlayer and YouTube they are truly dreadful. The trick as a viewer is to be selective, rather than just accepting what's dished up.usetobunkin said:Masterchef.... Is a dead horse that responds to flogging.
Absolute crap of the highest order.
Whatever happened to British TV?0 -
Every aspect of all of this is so maddening0
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Someone should make Trump aware of the case before his state visit.1
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It feels like collectively we can't handle stuff like this properly any more, there's a whole dance we have to perform. I feel for Torode tbh, but also I have no idea if he actually did anything reprehensible. This just isn't the way to go about anything, it's so irresponsible. It feels like everything related to any media or cultural topic is governed by vibes rather than a reckoning with realityBaldybonce said:
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except not really ‘sacked’.LargeAddick said:
Exactly my thinking.Chris_from_Sidcup said:I've never watched a single episode of Masterchef in my life so can't say any of this bothers me, but reading what Torode has effectively been fired for is incredible.
Something that allegedly happened 7 years ago which Torode denies and says he can't even remember. How on earth can you get sacked for that?
If my boss came to me and said sorry we've got to let you go because XXX person says you said this back in 2018, i'd think he was on a wind up.It’s more they just won’t give him a contract for the next series.The BBC / production company judge it’s less controversial and simpler to go with new presenters but still get to sell the show to the BBC.It’s a commercial call - no more no less I feel.1 - Sponsored links:
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I used to enjoy watching Masterchef and watched it for the first few years. I stopped watching as the same format each year became boring and there were too many versions. I won't miss it.2
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Could the company that made it, sell it to another channel?MuttleyCAFC said:I agree with the view that the series should be shown for the sake of the contestants.0 -
I love the program and the professional version too. Shame its unravelled for Greg as I always thought he was entertaining. Looks like he's bang to rights though! The Torode one is interesting and I guess the production co. have just thought "we don't need any more controversy on this one, so lets move on". One thing that did cross my mind is the reputation head chefs have for being absolute cnuts aka "demanding high standards". Seems like an industry where shocking workplace behaviour is accepted across the board? Not sure if any lifers work in the sector?2
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Also not wanting to sound like I am standing up for anyone but why is it, Torode has been sacked for inappropriate language yet when asked what the deeply offensive term was the official wouldn't report what was allegedly said ? If it's that offensive and damaging that a person can lose their job over and the beeb (and third party solicitors who conducted the investigation) have so much confidence in the validity and truthfulness of the official report then tell the public what was said ?Radostanradical said:
I find it such an odd argument not to show, its not as if he has killed someone, he hasn't even been found guilty of a crime or to the best of my knowledge even been investigated in a criminal sense. Can we not trust the British public enough to understand hundreds of people worked on this series and the only reason its being shown with these two presenting is it has already been filmed ?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it
Anyone who believes by them showing they are supporting inappropriate behaviour either has the IQ of a sock or being deliberately obtuse so as to grandstand about their virtues. Genuinely all the BBC need to do is release a statement saying along the lines of "its being shown due to it already being filmed and respecting the efforts of the contestants and crew who worked on it, we have no intention of working with Greg and John anymore" then move on. Eventually it will be replace in the news cycle by something else.
Maybe I have more confidence in the general population than I should but if the term used was gravely racist term as was reported I think most people would say "ok fair enough you cant say that, not even in 2017" but now we are in these ether where no one knows what was said, John Torode says he didnt say it and the authority in the situation won't even say what was said.0 -
Not sure how true it is but he apparently used a term that was used years ago to describe a Chinese meal or takeaway. May be bollocks but have heard it from a couple of sources.Radostanradical said:
Also not wanting to sound like I am standing up for anyone but why is it, Torode has been sacked for inappropriate language yet when asked what the deeply offensive term was the official wouldn't report what was allegedly said ? If it's that offensive and damaging that a person can lose their job over and the beeb (and third party solicitors who conducted the investigation) have so much confidence in the validity and truthfulness of the official report then tell the public what was said ?Radostanradical said:
I find it such an odd argument not to show, its not as if he has killed someone, he hasn't even been found guilty of a crime or to the best of my knowledge even been investigated in a criminal sense. Can we not trust the British public enough to understand hundreds of people worked on this series and the only reason its being shown with these two presenting is it has already been filmed ?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it
Anyone who believes by them showing they are supporting inappropriate behaviour either has the IQ of a sock or being deliberately obtuse so as to grandstand about their virtues. Genuinely all the BBC need to do is release a statement saying along the lines of "its being shown due to it already being filmed and respecting the efforts of the contestants and crew who worked on it, we have no intention of working with Greg and John anymore" then move on. Eventually it will be replace in the news cycle by something else.
Maybe I have more confidence in the general population than I should but if the term used was gravely racist term as was reported I think most people would say "ok fair enough you cant say that, not even in 2017" but now we are in these ether where no one knows what was said, John Torode says he didnt say it and the authority in the situation won't even say what was said.0 -
Well i mean thats the point isn't it ? You're putting stuff out there (which is no offence and not an attack on you) that you have heard and no one even knows if its true. They could end all these whispers by just coming out and saying yeah this is what we believe he said. Then it would stop the rumours, allow the British public to decide whether what he said is a racist offensive term (which from what you said if true, racist ? yes, offensive to the point there is no coming back from ? I'm not so sure), and also warn the fellow Wallaces and Terodes of this world of what is and isn't appropriate.DaveMehmet said:
Not sure how true it is but he apparently used a term that was used years ago to describe a Chinese meal or takeaway. May be bollocks but have heard it from a couple of sources.Radostanradical said:
Also not wanting to sound like I am standing up for anyone but why is it, Torode has been sacked for inappropriate language yet when asked what the deeply offensive term was the official wouldn't report what was allegedly said ? If it's that offensive and damaging that a person can lose their job over and the beeb (and third party solicitors who conducted the investigation) have so much confidence in the validity and truthfulness of the official report then tell the public what was said ?Radostanradical said:
I find it such an odd argument not to show, its not as if he has killed someone, he hasn't even been found guilty of a crime or to the best of my knowledge even been investigated in a criminal sense. Can we not trust the British public enough to understand hundreds of people worked on this series and the only reason its being shown with these two presenting is it has already been filmed ?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it
Anyone who believes by them showing they are supporting inappropriate behaviour either has the IQ of a sock or being deliberately obtuse so as to grandstand about their virtues. Genuinely all the BBC need to do is release a statement saying along the lines of "its being shown due to it already being filmed and respecting the efforts of the contestants and crew who worked on it, we have no intention of working with Greg and John anymore" then move on. Eventually it will be replace in the news cycle by something else.
Maybe I have more confidence in the general population than I should but if the term used was gravely racist term as was reported I think most people would say "ok fair enough you cant say that, not even in 2017" but now we are in these ether where no one knows what was said, John Torode says he didnt say it and the authority in the situation won't even say what was said.0 -
Ah yeah, but make it a penny a week until it is paid off.ShootersHillGuru said:
I suspect both presenters would then need to be paid for it.jose said:I have never watched the show and really have no idea who Gregg and John are.
But if there is a series in the can, in order for it not to go to waste wouldn’t it be an opportunity for artificial intelligence to take over?
You generate one of those floaty faces for Gregg and John, and feed their speech through some sort of machine to artificially create a different voice or accent.0 -
I heard rumours it was something about a sweet and sour chocolate bar dish a contestant prepared...but then again that may just be Chinese wispas.Radostanradical said:
Well i mean thats the point isn't it ? You're putting stuff out there (which is no offence and not an attack on you) that you have heard and no one even knows if its true. They could end all these whispers by just coming out and saying yeah this is what we believe he said. Then it would stop the rumours, allow the British public to decide whether what he said is a racist offensive term (which from what you said if true, racist ? yes, offensive to the point there is no coming back from ? I'm not so sure), and also warn the fellow Wallaces and Terodes of this world of what is and isn't appropriate.DaveMehmet said:
Not sure how true it is but he apparently used a term that was used years ago to describe a Chinese meal or takeaway. May be bollocks but have heard it from a couple of sources.Radostanradical said:
Also not wanting to sound like I am standing up for anyone but why is it, Torode has been sacked for inappropriate language yet when asked what the deeply offensive term was the official wouldn't report what was allegedly said ? If it's that offensive and damaging that a person can lose their job over and the beeb (and third party solicitors who conducted the investigation) have so much confidence in the validity and truthfulness of the official report then tell the public what was said ?Radostanradical said:
I find it such an odd argument not to show, its not as if he has killed someone, he hasn't even been found guilty of a crime or to the best of my knowledge even been investigated in a criminal sense. Can we not trust the British public enough to understand hundreds of people worked on this series and the only reason its being shown with these two presenting is it has already been filmed ?Elthamaddick said:BBC have a whole series of Masterchef recorded that'll now never see the light of day.....gotta feel a bit for the contestant who won it and would've changed their life on the back of it
Anyone who believes by them showing they are supporting inappropriate behaviour either has the IQ of a sock or being deliberately obtuse so as to grandstand about their virtues. Genuinely all the BBC need to do is release a statement saying along the lines of "its being shown due to it already being filmed and respecting the efforts of the contestants and crew who worked on it, we have no intention of working with Greg and John anymore" then move on. Eventually it will be replace in the news cycle by something else.
Maybe I have more confidence in the general population than I should but if the term used was gravely racist term as was reported I think most people would say "ok fair enough you cant say that, not even in 2017" but now we are in these ether where no one knows what was said, John Torode says he didnt say it and the authority in the situation won't even say what was said.10 -
I grew up with that description of a Chinese takeaway and say it now and again rather than "Chinese" and check myself.
Probably the only/first term that I "inherited" from a generational thing in my household. Blame my parents, the racists.
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Renewal of contract or sacking they amount to the same - He is scapegoated on the alter of some weird ideological nonsense . Under the guise of a “reset”
The BBC coverage of the Israel / Palestine issue has been unashamedly pro Israel. But they get to hide behind this charade
“ Dead cat” scenario2
