I think Ivanovich is an excellent player for the level and a reason Millwall could do well but I think it is entirely possible we do better than them. It is a bit of a voyage of the unknown but it feels different to last time we went up. If only a couple of the youngsters push on, we will be in a very strong position.
I agree that we will be solid at home and the success of our season will depend on how good we are away from the Valley.
Millwall have finished in the top half in 5 of the last 6 seasons, and in the other season they were 13th. We'll be doing very well to even get anywhere near that in our first season back.
I think Ivanovich is an excellent player for the level and a reason Millwall could do well but I think it is entirely possible we do better than them. It is a bit of a voyage of the unknown but it feels different to last time we went up. If only a couple of the youngsters push on, we will be in a very strong position.
I agree that we will be solid at home and the success of our season will depend on how good we are away from the Valley.
Millwall have finished in the top half in 5 of the last 6 seasons, and in the other season they were 13th. We'll be doing very well to even get anywhere near that in our first season back.
So you don't think it is possible we can do 'very well'?
I think Ivanovich is an excellent player for the level and a reason Millwall could do well but I think it is entirely possible we do better than them. It is a bit of a voyage of the unknown but it feels different to last time we went up. If only a couple of the youngsters push on, we will be in a very strong position.
I agree that we will be solid at home and the success of our season will depend on how good we are away from the Valley.
Millwall have finished in the top half in 5 of the last 6 seasons, and in the other season they were 13th. We'll be doing very well to even get anywhere near that in our first season back.
So you don't think it is possible we can do 'very well'?
Possible - technically yes. Probable? No I don't think so. Anything above about 17th or 18th would be doing very well for me, aiming/expecting any better than that seems optimistic to the point of naivety.
I don't have qualms about NJ (any more!), nor do I doubt the owners intentions and willings. But we're a relatively small fish in a much, much bigger pond now and it is going to be a tough season.
I think Ivanovich is an excellent player for the level and a reason Millwall could do well but I think it is entirely possible we do better than them. It is a bit of a voyage of the unknown but it feels different to last time we went up. If only a couple of the youngsters push on, we will be in a very strong position.
I agree that we will be solid at home and the success of our season will depend on how good we are away from the Valley.
Millwall have finished in the top half in 5 of the last 6 seasons, and in the other season they were 13th. We'll be doing very well to even get anywhere near that in our first season back.
So you don't think it is possible we can do 'very well'?
I think we can do very well but i think very well for us in our first year back up would be being safe from relegation with a few games to go. Last season the top promoted side were Portsmouth, 16th with 54 points. Matching that would be great for us.
I don't think we'll be finishing above Millwall who in recent seasons have regularly been getting 66+ points and flirting with the play off spots.
I'd take 16th today no questions asked. Think we'll come out the traps flying but I think reality might set in against the bigger sides. Wouldn't be surprised if we took a hammering at Sheffield United.
I'm pleased with the Rob Apter signing though my first thought was he might be a bit of a luxury seeing as we have Tyreece Campbell. I now wonder if Tyreece is now surplus to Nathan's plans ?
Generally, all in all I am delighted with the signings this summer. They show real intent from the owners to put CAFC into the top rank of Championship clubs this summer.
I'm pleased with the Rob Apter signing though my first thought was he might be a bit of a luxury seeing as we have Tyreece Campbell. I now wonder if Tyreece is now surplus to Nathan's plans ?
Generally, all in all I am delighted with the signings this summer. They show real intent from the owners to put CAFC into the top rank of Championship clubs this summer.
They don't even play the same position apart from the odd occasion tc is pushed as cover for rwb in games we are chasing for the last 20-30.
I'm pleased with the Rob Apter signing though my first thought was he might be a bit of a luxury seeing as we have Tyreece Campbell. I now wonder if Tyreece is now surplus to Nathan's plans ?
Generally, all in all I am delighted with the signings this summer. They show real intent from the owners to put CAFC into the top rank of Championship clubs this summer.
They don't even play the same position apart from the odd occasion tc is pushed as cover for rwb in games we are chasing for the last 20-30.
Apter is described as a ''right sided midfielder', I m o he is more of a winger, I can't see a Nathan side with two wingers .. I don't think Tyreece will be a starter this season, but, of course, he is still very young and is developing as a player .. as ever, we will see
Adding a bit of science to this, as recently did a course in negative thinking. What we can see here is catastrophe about to unfold in front of our eyes- at least until October when we might sneak our first win: Think it will start with 0-3 v Watford.
Wrexham's home record in recent years is incredible. Just 6 defeats in 4 seasons.
Absurd, obviously 2 of those 4 were in the National League but it's still impressive.
Their record will undoubtedly get dented this season, but I don't think anyone truly expected them to be as good as they were in League 1, I thought they'd be play-offs at best and have a hard time adjusting.
Correct me but I think we've signed 9 players that are all unproven at this level.
It's exciting to have signed this many players (and paid good money for them) but have any of them excelled in the Championship???
Yes I will correct you as you are wrong. All the Luton signings have a lot of champ experience. Sonny Carey has a season of champ albeit relegated. Joe costello was signed from Blackburn, a championship club and had played over 100 games in this league. So no it is not 9 unprovens.
Correct me but I think we've signed 9 players that are all unproven at this level.
It's exciting to have signed this many players (and paid good money for them) but have any of them excelled in the Championship???
Bell - majority of his career at championship lvl Kaminski - Same as Bell Burke - bag loads of Championship experience Carey - almost 50 games in the champ? Tanto - inexperienced Apter - inexperienced Costello - only ever played in the championship
So what you've said isn't really close to being true to be honest.
There are injury concerns, but they've all had a fair bit of championship experience bar 3, and 2 of those 3 are expected to be able to make the step up, that's why we have paid so much.
Correct me but I think we've signed 9 players that are all unproven at this level.
It's exciting to have signed this many players (and paid good money for them) but have any of them excelled in the Championship???
Only 7 so far and Kaminski, Burke, Bell and JRC are all proven Championship players. Burke and Bell were promoted with Luton, and Luton signed Kaminski to be their PL GK. JRC has never played in L1.
Carey has Championship experience. Only Olaofe and Apter are stepping up for the first time.
I'm pleased with the Rob Apter signing though my first thought was he might be a bit of a luxury seeing as we have Tyreece Campbell. I now wonder if Tyreece is now surplus to Nathan's plans ?
Generally, all in all I am delighted with the signings this summer. They show real intent from the owners to put CAFC into the top rank of Championship clubs this summer.
They don't even play the same position apart from the odd occasion tc is pushed as cover for rwb in games we are chasing for the last 20-30.
Apter is described as a ''right sided midfielder', I m o he is more of a winger, I can't see a Nathan side with two wingers .. I don't think Tyreece will be a starter this season, but, of course, he is still very young and is developing as a player .. as ever, we will see
I think Campbell will be a starter this season, think Apter is a bit of a utility player who can fill a few roles whilst also replacing Small - Ultimately one aspect we all disliked last season was the amount we relied upon Campbell / Small as our quick / wide players.
Think it’s a stretch to include Henry and Kedwell in the outs really, the latter was an U21 player and the former spent all the time Jones was here out on loan. If you include academy outs it’s far more than 7, even if the released and retained list was never published
Think it’s a stretch to include Henry and Kedwell in the outs really, the latter was an U21 player and the former spent all the time Jones was here out on loan. If you include academy outs it’s far more than 7, even if the released and retained list was never published
But you can add in McIntyre and Gilbert, who we’ve effectively replaced with Bell and Carey.
Correct me but I think we've signed 9 players that are all unproven at this level.
It's exciting to have signed this many players (and paid good money for them) but have any of them excelled in the Championship???
Aside from the 'unproven' point that others have addressed, i make it 7 incomings and 7 outgoings so far.
IN - Kaminski, Bell, Burke, JRC, Carey, Olaofe, Apter. OUT - Aneke, Bouzanis, Henry, Hylton, Kedwell, Small, Watson.
A MASSIVE improvement on the quality of the squad, and some decent money spent so far.
The best bit is that when you look at all those who have left the only one you would say is a real loss is Small. We're not having to flog our best players to try and fund the rebuild, the squad IS improving but it's building on the promotion squad not tearing it up and starting from scratch.
I'm feeling optimistic .. our signings are not (so far) spectacular, no neon marquee names, just good solid pros with (mostly) Championship experience .. at the VERY least I expect us to be well clear of the relegation zone .. that might sound negative, but so what, who expects us to get promoted this season ?
You’ve made some half decent signings but so have nearly everyone else. This league is always evolving. It’s relentless at times and it’s a job just to keep up.
i'm feeling optimistic coz i spoke to another couple of millwall fans yesterday who were worried - again, both don't rate coburn and couldn't believe u paid £3.5m + on him and said ivanovic was good but not great - you've never scored many goals i guess so looks like that won't be changing - its gonna be tough but i'm confident NJ can mould a functional, hard working team probably similar to you lot and thats got you to comfortable upper mid table - i think we need to sign another player who takes players on and creates and i think we need to push the boat out for the right player - if we do, i think we'll be fine
We did a lot of business in January so only need a few tweeks this window.
I know you don’t rate Coburn or now Ivanovich (or rather your ‘Millwall mates’ don’t) but if you had taken our league form from january, which is incidentally when Alex Neil took over, and both Coburn and Ivanovich became regulars in the team, then we would have finished 5th. Which bodes well for next season. But it’s a funny old game as the great man once said so we’ll see.
It's not a funny old game when we play you
Funny that you lot call it our cup final. When you do finally beat us (it’s got to happen sooner or later) then you will all celebrate like you’ve won the cup 😉
You're right. We beat you in February and I'm only just shaking off the hangover now. And that's just for the U21s.
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I don't have qualms about NJ (any more!), nor do I doubt the owners intentions and willings. But we're a relatively small fish in a much, much bigger pond now and it is going to be a tough season.
I don't think we'll be finishing above Millwall who in recent seasons have regularly been getting 66+ points and flirting with the play off spots.
Generally, all in all I am delighted with the signings this summer. They show real intent from the owners to put CAFC into the top rank of Championship clubs this summer.
Think it will start with 0-3 v Watford.
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It's exciting to have signed this many players (and paid good money for them) but have any of them excelled in the Championship???
Their record will undoubtedly get dented this season, but I don't think anyone truly expected them to be as good as they were in League 1, I thought they'd be play-offs at best and have a hard time adjusting.
I imagine we'll be seeing some outs soon but adding another striker/midfielder would be what I'd like to see next.
So no it is not 9 unprovens.
Kaminski - Same as Bell
Burke - bag loads of Championship experience
Carey - almost 50 games in the champ?
Tanto - inexperienced
Apter - inexperienced
Costello - only ever played in the championship
So what you've said isn't really close to being true to be honest.
There are injury concerns, but they've all had a fair bit of championship experience bar 3, and 2 of those 3 are expected to be able to make the step up, that's why we have paid so much.
Be excited
Carey has Championship experience. Only Olaofe and Apter are stepping up for the first time.
We've now got; Campbell - Olaofe - Apter - Dixon
IN - Kaminski, Bell, Burke, JRC, Carey, Olaofe, Apter.
OUT - Aneke, Bouzanis, Henry, Hylton, Kedwell, Small, Watson.
A MASSIVE improvement on the quality of the squad, and some decent money spent so far.
Not sure Small would be in our starting XI now
Based initial opinion on us having signed a number of Luton players relegated two seasons in a row, but feeling optimistic after reading the above