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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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Absolutely laughable and embarrassing that fans are actually discussing this. Why add more pressure for the young lad?
I bet you he will be on 10 goals by Christmas!6 -
I think Burke has been pretty anonymous thus far.13
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There's some ridiculous defensiveness here about Kelman.
At the moment he looks less effective than our other options for the front two, TC, Miles and Tanto, whether down to fitness, or how they suit our system. That's not me writing Kelman off, that's me wanting us to play our current best 11 on Saturday in a tough away game. With the way we play, the physicality of Miles or Tanto will cause defenders more problems, and hold the ball up better. Godden fitted the Nathan Jones way of playing better than Alfie May, as he's more physical and can hold the ball up.
Yes Kelman was a big money signing, but Tanto was around £1.5m so hardly signed to be a backup either. And how much are TC and Miles worth? A fit and firing Miles will be worth way more than Kelman in a year's time.5 -
Garrymanilow said:I'm not having this 'Kelman can't play alongside TC' stuff. Not for a second. Kelman was the sole striker for Orient with two wingers playing off him in a 4231 which is essentially what we are in possession. Kelman has hardly played, didn't have the best game against Watford but looked like he needed to build fitness so I'm sure there's more to come, but it's hilarious that people have somehow made that performance Campbell's fault. I thought Kelman showed a couple of moments last night that were encouraging. Scrapped a bit with a Stevenage player in our half, showed great feet out wide to win a free kick and latched onto a chance like a proper poaching striker. He'll get fitter, he'll work on his movement which so far seems to be the problem and no doubt he'll get better.So far we've played two games and already there's people out for Kelman, TC and Docherty. I don't understand the need to always have a problem that needs worrying about, just enjoy the football.2
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killerandflash said:There's some ridiculous defensiveness here about Kelman.
At the moment he looks less effective than our other options for the front two, TC, Miles and Tanto, whether down to fitness, or how they suit our system. That's not me writing Kelman off, that's me wanting us to play our current best 11 on Saturday in a tough away game. With the way we play, the physicality of Miles or Tanto will cause defenders more problems, and hold the ball up better. Godden fitted the Nathan Jones way of playing better than Alfie May, as he's more physical and can hold the ball up.
Yes Kelman was a big money signing, but Tanto was around £1.5m so hardly signed to be a backup either. And how much are TC and Miles worth? A fit and firing Miles will be worth way more than Kelman in a year's time.Godden was brilliant at winning flick ons and battling defenders. I’m sure Kelman will improve at that but that’s not going to happen overnight, so at the moment we need to adapt to him. Long balls need to go to the channels rather than to Kelman, it’s a simple fix but at the moment we haven’t given him that2 -
Marriott110 said:Nobody was complaining about Godden's physicality when he was banging goals in, sure the conversation will slow down when Kelman does the same0
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killerandflash said:There's some ridiculous defensiveness here about Kelman.
At the moment he looks less effective than our other options for the front two, TC, Miles and Tanto, whether down to fitness, or how they suit our system. That's not me writing Kelman off, that's me wanting us to play our current best 11 on Saturday in a tough away game. With the way we play, the physicality of Miles or Tanto will cause defenders more problems, and hold the ball up better. Godden fitted the Nathan Jones way of playing better than Alfie May, as he's more physical and can hold the ball up.
Yes Kelman was a big money signing, but Tanto was around £1.5m so hardly signed to be a backup either. And how much are TC and Miles worth? A fit and firing Miles will be worth way more than Kelman in a year's time.2 -
Was asked what I thought about Kelman in June before we even were linked and at the time I said I wasn’t sure where he would fit the system. Godden managed to fit the system after Nathan Jones realised how deceptively good he was with his head and with his back to goal. I don’t know if Kelman has developed those qualities yet.
The fact he’s not previously done it at this level (yes he’s young) and we paid a big fee for him does not help with my anxiety around this transfer.
I hope it’s misplaced.3 -
Callumcafc said:Was asked what I thought about Kelman in June before we even were linked and at the time I said I wasn’t sure where he would fit the system. Godden managed to fit the system after Nathan Jones realised how deceptively good he was with his head and with his back to goal. I don’t know if Kelman has developed those qualities yet.
The fact he’s not previously done it at this level (yes he’s young) and we paid a big fee for him does not help with my anxiety around this transfer.
I hope it’s misplaced.
We clearly wanted Kelman and have a plan for him. My assumption was that he would play the other striker role, so next to Godden/Leaburn but so far that hasn’t been the case
Maybe our plan is far more long term, we want him to develop his aerial and back to goal ability so that he can play Godden’s role. I am fine with that because if successful then he will be worth more than £3.5m, but in the short term for this season he could struggle with that role2 -
NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:Was asked what I thought about Kelman in June before we even were linked and at the time I said I wasn’t sure where he would fit the system. Godden managed to fit the system after Nathan Jones realised how deceptively good he was with his head and with his back to goal. I don’t know if Kelman has developed those qualities yet.
The fact he’s not previously done it at this level (yes he’s young) and we paid a big fee for him does not help with my anxiety around this transfer.
I hope it’s misplaced.
We clearly wanted Kelman and have a plan for him. My assumption was that he would play the other striker role, so next to Godden/Leaburn but so far that hasn’t been the case
Maybe our plan is far more long term, we want him to develop his aerial and back to goal ability so that he can play Godden’s role. I am fine with that because if successful then he will be worth more than £3.5m, but in the short term for this season he could struggle with that role2 - Sponsored links:
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jose said:I was sitting in the rear section to the left of the directors box last night.
Somewhere not far behind me was a man with a loud voice who stuck out because of his lone, rather embarrassing effing and blinding.
His especial vitriol was aimed at Charlie Kelman who apparently was a lazy useless (unt, and effing this, and a useless effing that.
Those around me exchanged the eye rolling expressions of discomfort regarding this man, there were young kids around us.
I wish his abuse could’ve been less sweary and more creative and poetic rather than discomforting for those nearby.
Important game last night tbf, I can understand why he was a bit frustrated............................
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Other than last season his goals record is not great.It will need to be remembered this will be a big step up for him and we are likely to have a tough season.We need to believe in Jones, he's done alright so far0
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thenewbie said:NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:Was asked what I thought about Kelman in June before we even were linked and at the time I said I wasn’t sure where he would fit the system. Godden managed to fit the system after Nathan Jones realised how deceptively good he was with his head and with his back to goal. I don’t know if Kelman has developed those qualities yet.
The fact he’s not previously done it at this level (yes he’s young) and we paid a big fee for him does not help with my anxiety around this transfer.
I hope it’s misplaced.
We clearly wanted Kelman and have a plan for him. My assumption was that he would play the other striker role, so next to Godden/Leaburn but so far that hasn’t been the case
Maybe our plan is far more long term, we want him to develop his aerial and back to goal ability so that he can play Godden’s role. I am fine with that because if successful then he will be worth more than £3.5m, but in the short term for this season he could struggle with that role
I don’t think Kelman is a better striker in that role than Godden or Leaburn are at the moment. But I do think he could definitely be a better option than TC and Olaofe for the second spot, so I’d rather he played there while we develop him to take over from Godden. Maybe when Godden returns we will see that change0 -
Richard kone just signed for QPR with the kelman money. Who would you rather have? Kelman or kone?0
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I would prefer the striker who got his team to Wembley, won the golden boot by scoring for his team 21 goals, with only one being a penalty, compared to the striker who went missing for more than half a season and was completely anonymous over two legs in a play-off semi final, who resorted to cheating and should have been sent off.
I prefer the striker our manager specifically targeted for months as he knows he is the right man for the job.
It's like admiring a pisshead eating a big mac when you've got a cooked 8oz steak sitting for you at home.20 -
Diebythesword said:Richard kone just signed for QPR with the kelman money. Who would you rather have? Kelman or kone?12
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Diebythesword said:Richard kone just signed for QPR with the kelman money. Who would you rather have? Kelman or kone?5
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I’ll defend Kone, he’s a good player, with a potentially high ceiling. He as well as the whole Wycombe team suffered from Bloomfield going, Dodds is an appalling manager, and no one will look good in his teams1
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Some of the comments in the past few days are nothing but an insult to Kelman. Oh well, at least it's easy to note which posters follow themselves rather than their club and players.7
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Rothko said:I’ll defend Kone, he’s a good player, with a potentially high ceiling. He as well as the whole Wycombe team suffered from Bloomfield going, Dodds is an appalling manager, and no one will look good in his teams2
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Anyone care to guess who this was said of in his early days with us?
"First game where I've had serious doubts. Made the comparison of Simon Church but at least May has a stronger shot."
"Offside all the time. I'm really not sure."
"Can’t believe he scored 20 goals last season. Nothing against his work-rate, but don’t have the composure of other good Charlton strikers of the past."
"Has to score there. Shocking miss"
"I'm more concerned than others on here, all the talk of no service, no-one playing alongside him etc etc but at the end of the day a good goalscorer takes chances, and he had 3 today and didn't take any."
"Reminds me of Ajose a bit. Hopefully there’s a happier ending."
"I thought he was awful. Very little skill and a complete lack of composure."
To which I replied:
"What I really don't understand is why people suddenly believe that he isn't the striker he was last season? Same division and he scored 22 times for a team that finished six places below us. That included goals as well as against us (2), Plymouth (2), Derby (1), Wednesday (1), Peterborough (3), Ipswich (1) and Wycombe (2) - that's 12 goals against sides in the top 10 of which 4 were against the three promoted sides.
Even Killer used to miss sitters. It's an occupational hazard of a striker. Equally, last season he scored one in his first seven matches. The only thing that will stop him will be a lack of service or a complete loss of confidence due to being Charltonised."
So perhaps we should afford Kelman the courtesy of giving him a chance too?
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I'm amazed at how many people seem to have had doubts months ago when they first heard about the deal. I don't remember seeing any rumours (or doubts) about Kelman on the rumours thread until a week or so before he signed.5
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Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there6
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NabySarr said:Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there1
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NabySarr said:Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.1 -
redbuttle said:NabySarr said:Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that2 -
"Boot im art! Dont like the cut of is jib..."
Jesus Wept! Give the fella a chance.0 -
thenewbie said:NabySarr said:Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there0
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_uptheaddicks said:Some of the comments in the past few days are nothing but an insult to Kelman. Oh well, at least it's easy to note which posters follow themselves rather than their club and players.
Ditto preferring Kone to Kelman, which even if you disagree, if a perfectly reasonable position to take. The likes of Swansea and Leicester were after Kone, whereas our rival for Kelman was L1 Luton.
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NabySarr said:redbuttle said:NabySarr said:Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.3