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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    raytreacy said:
    The fast bowlers I would take to Oz, Carse, Atkinson, Archer, Wood( if fit ). and Tongue who will get some bounce.
    I think we need a bigger group than that. Wood and Archer wont play more than 3 each. Atkinson has had fitness issues. Aussie pitches arent what they were a few years ago, I think we will need a swing bowler, particularly in the day night test (If Woakes wasn't injured I would have taken him for that test alone). Potts should go as an option to just bowl line and get through a lot of overs taking some pressure off the spinner. Then Mahmood/Stone/Baker (whoever is fit/good enough) as a bit of a wildcard.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Baker made his debut in hopeless conditions. He wasn't good, but it seems that bowlers are treated harshly, whereas batsmen get lots of chances. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    killerandflash said:
    Baker made his debut in hopeless conditions. He wasn't good, but it seems that bowlers are treated harshly, whereas batsmen get lots of chances. 
    Treated harshly? He's clearly unready but being backed by a setup that cares about 'attributes'. He's already being treated far better than most 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Does Adil have one Ashes tour left in his shoulder? 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Leuth said:
    Does Adil have one Ashes tour left in his shoulder? 
    Does Adil really want one more Ashes tour? His central contract is unlikely to change for playing in the Ashes and by doing so he might write himself out of some of the franchises either because they clash or, more to the point, because of injury.  

    We are a bowler short at the moment today whereas at other times we've gone in with someone like Overton but that has left us a batter short. I know that I will be preaching to the converted but there has to be a place in the side for Rehan for Bethell or Jacks. The irony is that Rehan has spent all summer proving himself whereas Bethell has been prevented from playing in county cricket by the ECB and is looking extremely undercooked as a result. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Bethell and Jacks have figures of 6-0-62-0 between them and they or Root have to bowl another 4 overs. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    England miss Moeen or a Stokes or Sam Curran. A 6 or 7 who's a proper bowler.  S Africa know they can be sensible against the 4 main bowlers,  especially Rashid, as they can target the 10 overs bowled by the fill in bowlers.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    The classic case of the set batter burning a review out of disappointment/greed. You couldn't get more plum than that. 
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,427
    edited September 4
    I’m sure he is a fine cricketer, but I can’t help feeling that Bethell is playing above his current level of ability. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,016
    Spin is my major concern for the Ashes. I really don't rate Bashir and would be concerned about Head , Smith and Webster targeting him. No idea what the situation is with Leach and I don't see Bethell as a bowler. 

    Rehan Ahmed is in excellent form with the bat so could be a handy option to have available in the squad. 

    Jack Carson seems to be nowhere near selectors thoughts at all. 
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,925
    edited September 4
    killerandflash said:
    England miss Moeen or a Stokes or Sam Curran. A 6 or 7 who's a proper bowler.  S Africa know they can be sensible against the 4 main bowlers,  especially Rashid, as they can target the 10 overs bowled by the fill in bowlers.
    Yeah I don’t understand why Curran isn't  in the side - good all rounder and in very good form.

    Can understand why he's not got more of a chance in the Test team, albeit I think he's a better Stokes back-up than Bethell/Woakes etc, but in white ball it seems odd.

    Can only presume it's a personality thing.
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    This is carnage. Don't understand why Root hasn't been asked to bowl a couple of overs of leg stump "darts" from around the wicket.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Isawsummersplay said:
    I’m sure he is a fine cricketer, but I can’t help feeling that Bethell is playing above his current level of ability. 
    He's being treated in the same way as Bashir. Expected to learn his trade in international cricket having never honed his game at county level. Bopara hit the nail on the head when he said T20 cricket can be very unforgiving in the sense that a gap between games can put you out of form and it isn't the place to find that for obvious reasons. Whereas red ball and 50 overs cricket allows you time at the crease to find that but the ECB were never going to allow that to happen were they and when they are paying £25k a game for centrally contracted players in the Hundred to play in that, there isn't any monetary incentive for Bethell to do so either. 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,670
    I cannot stand Will Jacks. Fine for Surrey on flats ones, nothing else.
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    edited September 4
    In the WC final in 2023 against India, Australia used 4 bowlers to bowl their full allocation of 10 overs. They asked Maxwell, Mitchell and Head to bowl the rest and they returned between them 10-0-44-1. Those three might be former "part-timers" but they have all learnt how to perform under pressure on the highest stage. Today Bethell and Jacks' combined figures were 10-0-112-1. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Great start...
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,427
    edited September 4
    Totally predictable. Think I’ll watch The Simpsons instead.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    I always find it amusing how the drinks carriers automatically come on after the fall of a wicket,  even if it's the first ball.
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    I would back myself to get 30 odd at a run a ball against what Bethell and Jacks served up there
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,598
    edited September 4
    Root is a great batsman but not sure he should be coming in during the power play / first wicket down, esp when the 1st wicket falls after 1 ball. 

    Shouldn't the batting order have been changed  ?

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Extras starting the innings well.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Isawsummersplay said:
    Totally predictable. Think I’ll watch The Simpsons instead.
    What League do they play in? 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,734
    Duckett's touch appears to have vanished. 
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,427
    edited September 4
    Duckett misses a straight one - sadly sums up his last few weeks.
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,427
    I hope Bethell proves me wrong and shows some real quality.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Generous of the Saffers, bowling 2 overs of Markram filth to get Bethell going.
  • raytreacy
    raytreacy Posts: 54
    Bethell looks all at sea. I think a lot of pressure has been put on him too early. He needs to play more County games. He has been fast tracked into the international scene and he is struggling.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,354
    PrincessFiona said:
    Why do they keep selecting Bethell? He's clearly not ready. Maybe pick him against Ireland if they want to develop him

    currently looking good 🤞🏻

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