++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

Crispywood · October 5

NabySarr said:

killerandflash said:

stoneroses19 said:

buckshee said:

What I'd like to know is was there ever any chance we could've signed Kone? Seems more of a Jones type player and has had a decent start at QPR.

Maybe I've just not seen enough of him, but from last season against Wycombe, I don't see why he's a Jones type player. Didn't seem like a team player, went out of his way to dive, go in to players far too hard, and constantly moaning to the ref. Kelman might not have 4 goals so far like Kone, but he's at least a team player. Hopefully now he's getting more involved each game, the goals will come.

Kone is more physical, and would be perfect in the lone striker role which Kelman has occupied this season. I'm not surprised he's got 4 goals already.

Kone would have been the much better signing, but I don’t think he would have joined us so wasn’t an option. He was always going to have interest from established championship teams which we are not yet

QPR will flip Kone for £10m in my opinion. He’s got so much potential

Say that but QPR only had the money since we brought Kelman, Leicester the other team interested were in financial ruin. If the option was either us or Wycombe doubt he would have turned us down + if players are so scared of us getting relegated you just throw in a relegation release clause in the contract

Braziliance · October 5

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

Braziliance · October 5

I hope Jones just builds his whole team/strategy around Kelman at some stage and figures out the best way to get the best out of him.

Whether that's playing with Tanto so Tanto can provide foil, or playing TC and Apter either side of him so he can find space while they drag defenders out wide, I think we need to find a way to get him more involved.

Can't deny he is underwhelming so far, but if there is any player I believe in this squad that can actually strike a ball well and get us firing consistently, it's Kelman

Crispywood · October 5

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

The frontline this season has proven they can offer speed, pressing, strength, movement off the ball, one thing they lack is there’s not a single footballing IQ brain cell between them.

we don’t have many shots which I think falsifies we create nothing but I can remember countless times we’ve put the ball into the box and not a single person has been there to meet it.

Godden may not have the physical capabilities the others possess but what he does know is where and when to be in the box. Every other forward we have contribute massively to the physical side of the game but none to the technical/understanding of the game Godden has. you get Bree/Apter to put in their crosses and TC to have an easy option to go into Godden which reduces his decision making need I reckon he can change a lot

wmcf123 · October 5

Tanto and TC should start up front , IMO. At least if they aren’t scoring , they will put people on the back foot

Weegie Addick · October 5

wmcf123 said:

Tanto and TC should start up front , IMO. At least if they aren’t scoring , they will put people on the back foot

Yeah I was thinking they could be an interesting combination.

wmcf123 · October 5

Weegie Addick said:

wmcf123 said:

Tanto and TC should start up front , IMO. At least if they aren’t scoring , they will put people on the back foot

Yeah I was thinking they could be an interesting combination.

I do think our best fit with these players is 433

Goalie

Ramsay/ Bree, Burke, Jones , Bell/ Edwards

Carey, Coventry , Knibbs / Docherty

Apter, Tanto, TC

NabySarr · October 5

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

cabbles · October 6

Crispywood said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

The frontline this season has proven they can offer speed, pressing, strength, movement off the ball, one thing they lack is there’s not a single footballing IQ brain cell between them.

we don’t have many shots which I think falsifies we create nothing but I can remember countless times we’ve put the ball into the box and not a single person has been there to meet it.

Godden may not have the physical capabilities the others possess but what he does know is where and when to be in the box. Every other forward we have contribute massively to the physical side of the game but none to the technical/understanding of the game Godden has. you get Bree/Apter to put in their crosses and TC to have an easy option to go into Godden which reduces his decision making need I reckon he can change a lot

A tad harsh imo. Fairly new forward line regardless of what combo we pick. We’re set up to defend from the front and we’ve just stepped up into a much more competitive league than the level we’ve been used to playing at for the past 5 years.

I think it might be time to start a different combination after the intl break, and you could argue that a draw and a defeat in the last 2 games gives NJ the argument to mix it up (not that he needs it, I have faith in his decisions so far)

I have no idea what that combo looks like however. I like all our forwards and think they can all offer something. Jones is a big fan of TC, so I think he’s going to stick with him, but I would like him to give Tanto or Leaburn a shot ahead of him for Sheff Wed.

NabySarr · October 6

cabbles said:

Crispywood said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

The frontline this season has proven they can offer speed, pressing, strength, movement off the ball, one thing they lack is there’s not a single footballing IQ brain cell between them.

we don’t have many shots which I think falsifies we create nothing but I can remember countless times we’ve put the ball into the box and not a single person has been there to meet it.

Godden may not have the physical capabilities the others possess but what he does know is where and when to be in the box. Every other forward we have contribute massively to the physical side of the game but none to the technical/understanding of the game Godden has. you get Bree/Apter to put in their crosses and TC to have an easy option to go into Godden which reduces his decision making need I reckon he can change a lot

A tad harsh imo. Fairly new forward line regardless of what combo we pick. We’re set up to defend from the front and we’ve just stepped up into a much more competitive league than the level we’ve been used to playing at for the past 5 years.

I think it might be time to start a different combination after the intl break, and you could argue that a draw and a defeat in the last 2 games gives NJ the argument to mix it up (not that he needs it, I have faith in his decisions so far)

I have no idea what that combo looks like however. I like all our forwards and think they can all offer something. Jones is a big fan of TC, so I think he’s going to stick with him, but I would like him to give Tanto or Leaburn a shot ahead of him for Sheff Wed.

I’d like to see the 2 pairings be Leaburn-TC and Kelman-Olaofe. Which way you play them in terms of starting/coming on is a different debate but I think those pairings work the best. Leaburn and TC had a good spell together last season, and I think Kelman would benefit from playing with Olaofe’s physicality.

TC going away with Jamaica means I’d probably start Kelman and Olaofe against Wednesday, see how they do and then maybe go with Leaburn and TC for Ipswich

ShootersHillGuru · October 7

I don’t think our midfield is set up to offer what Kelman had to support him at Orient. We don’t have a Donley to pick Kelman out and our midfield is all about pressing. We don’t have that combination. I do think Charlie is decent but he’s never going to get 26 goals or anything like it in a Nathan Jones team. Nor would any other striker I don’t think. He’s going to have to work hard and I think the ball will drop for him often enough. I think Godden will have the same problem. Championship defenders are better and chances are few and far between.

Crispywood · October 7

Godden bagged 18 in 27 (full 90 min games) last season. The problem isn’t the system because otherwise Godden wouldn’t have scored at that ratio in the system. The problem is that our overall team isn’t good enough to support the forwards with quality service nor our strikers at dealing with quality championship defenders, gone from playing with teams full of hectors at the back to teams full of Lloyd Jones no disrespect to our team because the championship is another level of difficult but none of our forwards are exactly the snake Taylor, or Kermogant

Braziliance · October 7

ShootersHillGuru said:

I don’t think our midfield is set up to offer what Kelman had to support him at Orient. We don’t have a Donley to pick Kelman out and our midfield is all about pressing. We don’t have that combination. I do think Charlie is decent but he’s never going to get 26 goals or anything like it in a Nathan Jones team. Nor would any other striker I don’t think. He’s going to have to work hard and I think the ball will drop for him often enough. I think Godden will have the same problem. Championship defenders are better and chances are few and far between.

I think it's just Nathan Jones style in this league as well.

In 2 full championship seasons with Luton, none of his strikers ever hit 20+ goals.

20/21: 12th place. Top Scorer: James Collins - 10

21/22: 6th place. Top scorer: Elijah Adebayo - 16

His style of play just doesn't enable for a striker to score 20 goals in this league, unless they are a very special striker.

Braziliance · October 7

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

fenaddick · October 7

Braziliance said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I don’t think our midfield is set up to offer what Kelman had to support him at Orient. We don’t have a Donley to pick Kelman out and our midfield is all about pressing. We don’t have that combination. I do think Charlie is decent but he’s never going to get 26 goals or anything like it in a Nathan Jones team. Nor would any other striker I don’t think. He’s going to have to work hard and I think the ball will drop for him often enough. I think Godden will have the same problem. Championship defenders are better and chances are few and far between.

I think it's just Nathan Jones style in this league as well.

In 2 full championship seasons with Luton, none of his strikers ever hit 20+ goals.

20/21: 12th place. Top Scorer: James Collins - 10

21/22: 6th place. Top scorer: Elijah Adebayo - 16

His style of play just doesn't enable for a striker to score 20 goals in this league, unless they are a very special striker.

You are right but it's also important context that scoring 20 goals in the Championship is rare these days. It's happened 14 times in the last 5 seasons and didn't happen at all last time out. Adebayo was the joint 8th top scorer in 21/22, that's pretty prolific

NabySarr · October 7

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

Braziliance · October 7

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

They look nice, but he's still been largely ineffective, I am not holding that against him though, as it is a difficult team for a striker to thrive on.

A lot better than Kelman? Sorry, I just don't see it. I think they have all been as equally disappointing, just more pressure on Kelman cause of the fee and not being an academy lad.

Diebythesword · October 7

Yeah I agree our system really isn’t suited to strikers, in particular poachers like Kelman. We play with a very high press, poachers prefer having space to move around in, invariably when we’re in attacking positions it’s from pressing and winning the ball and that space simply doesn’t exist.

killerandflash · October 7

Braziliance said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I don’t think our midfield is set up to offer what Kelman had to support him at Orient. We don’t have a Donley to pick Kelman out and our midfield is all about pressing. We don’t have that combination. I do think Charlie is decent but he’s never going to get 26 goals or anything like it in a Nathan Jones team. Nor would any other striker I don’t think. He’s going to have to work hard and I think the ball will drop for him often enough. I think Godden will have the same problem. Championship defenders are better and chances are few and far between.

I think it's just Nathan Jones style in this league as well.

In 2 full championship seasons with Luton, none of his strikers ever hit 20+ goals.

20/21: 12th place. Top Scorer: James Collins - 10

21/22: 6th place. Top scorer: Elijah Adebayo - 16

His style of play just doesn't enable for a striker to score 20 goals in this league, unless they are a very special striker.

Elijah Adebayo is surprisingly still at Luton, I'm surprised NJ didn't make a move for him... 6'4 incidentally.

NabySarr · October 7

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

They look nice, but he's still been largely ineffective, I am not holding that against him though, as it is a difficult team for a striker to thrive on.

A lot better than Kelman? Sorry, I just don't see it. I think they have all been as equally disappointing, just more pressure on Kelman cause of the fee and not being an academy lad.

The stats don’t lie, he’s been way better. I think there’s some recency bias here, Kelman has been better than Leaburn in the last 2 games, but before that Leaburn was doing way more every game.

I think Leaburn had 2 decent games when he started too, not sure why he’s not started since but I’d assume it’s a fitness/injury risk thing which is obviously always a negative with him. Plus I’m not sure Leaburn or Olaofe have the fitness for the amount of running Jones wants from his starting front 2

NabySarr · October 7

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I don’t think our midfield is set up to offer what Kelman had to support him at Orient. We don’t have a Donley to pick Kelman out and our midfield is all about pressing. We don’t have that combination. I do think Charlie is decent but he’s never going to get 26 goals or anything like it in a Nathan Jones team. Nor would any other striker I don’t think. He’s going to have to work hard and I think the ball will drop for him often enough. I think Godden will have the same problem. Championship defenders are better and chances are few and far between.

I think it's just Nathan Jones style in this league as well.

In 2 full championship seasons with Luton, none of his strikers ever hit 20+ goals.

20/21: 12th place. Top Scorer: James Collins - 10

21/22: 6th place. Top scorer: Elijah Adebayo - 16

His style of play just doesn't enable for a striker to score 20 goals in this league, unless they are a very special striker.

Elijah Adebayo is surprisingly still at Luton, I'm surprised NJ didn't make a move for him... 6'4 incidentally.

Did his ACL at the end of last season, otherwise would have probably got a championship move

Braziliance · October 7

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

They look nice, but he's still been largely ineffective, I am not holding that against him though, as it is a difficult team for a striker to thrive on.

A lot better than Kelman? Sorry, I just don't see it. I think they have all been as equally disappointing, just more pressure on Kelman cause of the fee and not being an academy lad.

The stats don’t lie, he’s been way better. I think there’s some recency bias here, Kelman has been better than Leaburn in the last 2 games, but before that Leaburn was doing way more every game.

I think Leaburn had 2 decent games when he started too, not sure why he’s not started since but I’d assume it’s a fitness/injury risk thing which is obviously always a negative with him. Plus I’m not sure Leaburn or Olaofe have the fitness for the amount of running Jones wants from his starting front 2

"Way better"

Both on 0 goals & 0 assists. You can post Leaburns duel stats, but you've just said yourself Leaburn can't run for a whole game/implied it, and that's why Kelman is starting and is currently more useful.

All entitled to our opinions, but for me a bunch of stats that don't really show much other than he is battling for the ball do not show is a way better player.

NabySarr · October 7

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

They look nice, but he's still been largely ineffective, I am not holding that against him though, as it is a difficult team for a striker to thrive on.

A lot better than Kelman? Sorry, I just don't see it. I think they have all been as equally disappointing, just more pressure on Kelman cause of the fee and not being an academy lad.

The stats don’t lie, he’s been way better. I think there’s some recency bias here, Kelman has been better than Leaburn in the last 2 games, but before that Leaburn was doing way more every game.

I think Leaburn had 2 decent games when he started too, not sure why he’s not started since but I’d assume it’s a fitness/injury risk thing which is obviously always a negative with him. Plus I’m not sure Leaburn or Olaofe have the fitness for the amount of running Jones wants from his starting front 2

"Way better"

Both on 0 goals & 0 assists. You can post Leaburns duel stats, but you've just said yourself Leaburn can't run for a whole game/implied it, and that's why Kelman is starting and is currently more useful.

All entitled to our opinions, but for me a bunch of stats that don't really show much other than he is battling for the ball do not show is a way better player.

Those are just the stats he’s best in. I also said he’s in the top half of championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. All of which Kelman is in the bottom 20% of championship strikers for this season, he just simply isn’t doing nearly enough. Yes he can run, but we might as well have kept Kanu if that’s all we wanted from a starting striker

Leaburn does more than Kelman, he played well starting against Leicester and QPR, so if he’s fit enough then he should start imo

ShootersHillGuru · October 7

Crispywood said:

Godden bagged 18 in 27 (full 90 min games) last season. The problem isn’t the system because otherwise Godden wouldn’t have scored at that ratio in the system. The problem is that our overall team isn’t good enough to support the forwards with quality service nor our strikers at dealing with quality championship defenders, gone from playing with teams full of hectors at the back to teams full of Lloyd Jones no disrespect to our team because the championship is another level of difficult but none of our forwards are exactly the snake Taylor, or Kermogant

We’re in a division higher now. I doubt Matty Godden will get close to that goals to minutes ratio in this division. I still maintain the way NJ sets up isnt helping our strikers. Thats perfectly ok btw as long as we grind out draws and enough wins but I doubt imho that will get us challanging for top six. Happy because this is definitely a transitional season and it’s all about staying up first and foremost.

RonnieMoore · October 7

I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .

Crispywood · October 7

RonnieMoore said:

I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .

Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.

Chunes · October 7

RonnieMoore said:

I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .

Plan was to rest him for next season

RonnieMoore · October 7

Crispywood said:

RonnieMoore said:

I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .

Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.

He never cost as much as people think NJ said that …. If Godden was fit to start this season Kelman would be on the bench and probably would have had a couple of goals by coming on as sub

Crispywood · October 7

RonnieMoore said:

Crispywood said:

RonnieMoore said:

I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .

Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.

He never cost as much as people think NJ said that …. If Godden was fit to start this season Kelman would be on the bench and probably would have had a couple of goals by coming on as sub

That’s because Fabricio Reported it as 3.5M rising to 5M. Cawley said himself in his Substack that the fee is still very hefty. If you genuinely believe we spent a stupid amount of money for Kelman to sit on the bench this season when the whole aim of this season was to survive the you’re lying to yourself

Braziliance · October 7

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Braziliance said:

Might be unpopular, but I actually think he is our only hope in scoring goals consistently, despite the flat start. He looks an intelligent player, and you look at his range for Orient, and he has the ability when he gets going.

TC just looks lost for me unless he's out wide, and even then, hasn't found the onion bag in 16 bloody games.

Tanto looks like he could be a player if we persist with him.

Leaburn has been disappointing to be honest apart from the odd flashes, an impact sub at best for me currently.

Lastly Godden when he returns, can we really expect much from him? He will be well behind in fitness, out of match sharpness, and isn't/wasn't a prolific striker at this level previously for a better attacking side in Coventry.

I disagree with this. He’s been poor the last 2 games but before that I think he’d been our best striker. Played well in the games he started against Leicester and QPR, I was surprised he was then dropped back to the bench when Kelman, although improving, still really isn’t doing anywhere near enough

The stats back this up as well, Leaburn has been very good up until these last 2 games where admittedly he’s been shocking

Fair enough for being optimistic, but I don't think there are any stats that back up Miles is playing well.

I think he has potential, always will have, but he has done nothing so far to show he has played very well, none of them have.

This season looking at per 90 vs other championship strikers. Leaburn is in the

Top 4% for duels won
First for aerial duels won
Top 15% for % aerial duels won
Top 22% for interceptions
First for possession won in final third
Top 9% for recoveries
Top 24% for fouls won

These are all very important stats for a Nathan Jones striker, and stats which Kelman has a truly abysmal record at this season

Leaburn is also in the top half vs other championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. Again Kelman is really poor across pretty much every stat

Mostly coming on from the bench does make it slightly easier to do well on the stats, but it’s pretty clear from the evidence that Leaburn has probably been the best of our strikers this season (Olaofe a contender but probably not had enough minutes to judge), and has been a lot better than Kelman

They look nice, but he's still been largely ineffective, I am not holding that against him though, as it is a difficult team for a striker to thrive on.

A lot better than Kelman? Sorry, I just don't see it. I think they have all been as equally disappointing, just more pressure on Kelman cause of the fee and not being an academy lad.

The stats don’t lie, he’s been way better. I think there’s some recency bias here, Kelman has been better than Leaburn in the last 2 games, but before that Leaburn was doing way more every game.

I think Leaburn had 2 decent games when he started too, not sure why he’s not started since but I’d assume it’s a fitness/injury risk thing which is obviously always a negative with him. Plus I’m not sure Leaburn or Olaofe have the fitness for the amount of running Jones wants from his starting front 2

"Way better"

Both on 0 goals & 0 assists. You can post Leaburns duel stats, but you've just said yourself Leaburn can't run for a whole game/implied it, and that's why Kelman is starting and is currently more useful.

All entitled to our opinions, but for me a bunch of stats that don't really show much other than he is battling for the ball do not show is a way better player.

Those are just the stats he’s best in. I also said he’s in the top half of championship strikers for touches, touches in opposition box, shots, chances created. All of which Kelman is in the bottom 20% of championship strikers for this season, he just simply isn’t doing nearly enough. Yes he can run, but we might as well have kept Kanu if that’s all we wanted from a starting striker

Leaburn does more than Kelman, he played well starting against Leicester and QPR, so if he’s fit enough then he should start imo

None of them are doing enough, pointless debate. There is no polishing any of their performances at this point.

We are in the bottom 4 for potency in attack. Only Pompey, and both Sheffield clubs rival us in that aspect.

You say Leaburn does more than Kelman, but I don't see the goals or assists to show for it.

++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

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