Climate Emergency

Chippycafc said:

Talking of dinosaurs, when are we going to get Eds 300 quid benefit he's been promising us for the last 16 months.  Blew away with the typhoon I guess with all the other promises. 

Ed Miliband's pledge was to "reduce household energy bills by £300 in real terms by 1 January 2030".  It's not 2030 yet, so you'll have to be a bit more patient.  Although, as the energy cap has reduced since Q1 last year to the current quarter by £173, it could be argued that we're already seeing roughly 50% of that benefit already.  

Adjusted for inflation - so that it meets the target of being "in real terms" - the saving, so far is £300. So, in answer to your question, we're already seeing it, although there are likely to be bigger savings still, as we approach the 2030 deadline.  

That's the thing about measureable pledges: people can measure them.  Like the £350m a week to the NHS if we leave the EU. Boris Johnson's promise has so far fallen £105.35bn short.  I wonder when we're going to see that..?

I've no idea why people continue to waste their time with obvious wind up merchants on this or other threads. It isn't worth your energy. 

Leroy Ambrose said:

I've no idea why people continue to waste their time with obvious wind up merchants on this or other threads. It isn't worth your energy. 

How will that energy be produced?

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

I identify as a Pterodactyl. 

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Members of my family believe they co-existed with humans! 🤣

blackpool72 said:

cantersaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Members of my family believe they co-existed with humans! 🤣

Well crystal Palace played back then , so maybe they did.

Established Mid-Mesozoic I believe?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/31/milibands-flagship-energy-report-300-bills-pledge/

Here's the answer. 

SuedeAdidas said:

blackpool72 said:

cantersaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Members of my family believe they co-existed with humans! 🤣

Well crystal Palace played back then , so maybe they did.

Established Mid-Mesozoic I believe?

cantersaddick said:

cantersaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Members of my family believe they co-existed with humans! 🤣

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

Talking of dinosaurs, when are we going to get Eds 300 quid benefit he's been promising us for the last 16 months.  Blew away with the typhoon I guess with all the other promises. 

The promise was to cut energy bills by £300 by 2030

He promised to slash our energy bills before then, pre and post election. The green bill is costing us more. Sadly some people were taken in. 

I was wrong. We do co-exist. There's one on this thread.

What’s happened in your life to make you so unpleasant? 

MrWalker said:

cantersaddick said:

cantersaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ken_shabby said:

Stig said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

msomerton said:

Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.

I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!

Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.

Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.

It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing. 

The dinosaurs were the top of the tree for millions of years but they weren't renowned for their intelligence, craftsmanship or civilization. Having a larger brain is a bit of a one off on this planet - most species who got to the top of the tree were just apex predators or very adaptable.

I work with someone who strongly believes dinosaurs never existed, this is the kind of stupidity we are up against.

Members of my family believe they co-existed with humans! 🤣

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

Talking of dinosaurs, when are we going to get Eds 300 quid benefit he's been promising us for the last 16 months.  Blew away with the typhoon I guess with all the other promises. 

The promise was to cut energy bills by £300 by 2030

He promised to slash our energy bills before then, pre and post election. The green bill is costing us more. Sadly some people were taken in. 

I was wrong. We do co-exist. There's one on this thread.

What’s happened in your life to make you so unpleasant? 

You used to be one of the best posters

That was clearly a joke. I even put the smiley