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  • Stig said:
    Chizz said:
    MrWalker said:
    I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for  a10 minute jolly.
    Seems reasonable.
    The rocket is fueled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, with the main emission being water vapour.  The flight will probably emit significantly less greenhouse gas than the reporters who drive to the launch site to cover the pointless, narcissistic joy ride. 
    If it's a joy ride, it's not pointless. Joy is the very point of it. 
    "...pointless, narcissistic waste of money"?
  • Katy*
  • So we need to be self-sufficient when it comes to making the world's most expensive steel, but we need to rely on coking coal imported from China?

    Government's messaging is all over the place on this.
  • I wonder what  Greta (Thunderbergs are go) has to say about it?  I'm not on 'X' but I know she is. Anyone seen her post anything about it? 
  • swordfish said:
    I wonder what  Greta (Thunderbergs are go) has to say about it?  I'm not on 'X' but I know she is. Anyone seen her post anything about it? 
    Nothing as far as I can see. 
  • Chizz said:
    MrWalker said:
    I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for  a10 minute jolly.
    Seems reasonable.
    The rocket is fueled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, with the main emission being water vapour.  The flight will probably emit significantly less greenhouse gas than the reporters who drive to the launch site to cover the pointless, narcissistic joy ride. 
    So a magic carbon free tree created all the Infrastructure, testing, design etc. Pardon me if I don't fall for the PR bollocks
  • MrWalker said:
    Chizz said:
    MrWalker said:
    I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for  a10 minute jolly.
    Seems reasonable.
    The rocket is fueled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, with the main emission being water vapour.  The flight will probably emit significantly less greenhouse gas than the reporters who drive to the launch site to cover the pointless, narcissistic joy ride. 
    So a magic carbon free tree created all the Infrastructure, testing, design etc. Pardon me if I don't fall for the PR bollocks

    It seems this rocket emits water vapour (i.e. steam?)but also burns a lot of nitrogen especially during take off. I think the flames are a give away in that there is a significant amount of combustion occurring. There's an interesting bbc video pointing out the harm done by this and other space launches; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cr5dr518zmpo (they point out that water vapour itself is harmful to the ozone layer- it doesn't naturally occur there).

    Also this article from earlier this week says similar: https://sustainabilitymag.com/articles/diversity-circularity-blue-origins-all-women-crew  

    This Independent article from 2021 goes into more depth and compares the different emission types of the various billionaire's rocket systems that had by then been developed, making the point that more data was needed, plus an outline summary, at the end, of the case for taxing these recreational fights - https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/blue-origin-launch-carbon-emissions-b1937774.html

    Recycling the rocket parts seems to be the sustainability USP for Blue Origin; but the whole enterprise seems more about rich people having fun at the expense of us other living creatures, with only other humans having the capacity to stop them.   
  • That is a fantastic idea!
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  • Wouldn't fancy being installed as the guy in the orange for when a train comes though. You'd have thought they could have designed that better. 
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