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  • To be fair it is impossible for someone as incapable as her
    I don't know - did you see Kamala Harris last year?
  • Pot holes and ‘speed bumps’ mean you need an off-road vehicle with bigger wheels and higher clearance to drive on Britain’s roads these days. Driving a smaller car with small wheels and low clearance makes no sense.
    Heavier vehicles make the problem worse.
  • Playing politics to a certain section of the electorate at at time when we should all be pulling together for the future of the planet.

    Using renewable/sustainable forms of energy is cheaper than using fossil fuels, the sooner we get these in place, the greater the likelihood that bills will reduce.

    We have one planet and the children of today will be living in a very different world from now and not in a good way. The USA has seen a huge increase in extreme weather events in the last few years and these will only get worse and more frequent. 
  • Tony Juniper is Chair of Natural England and has written many books on Climate Change and the benefits of nature to the economy. 

    Whilst there is so much emphasis on growing the economy, it would be good for everyone to read some of his books, particularly 'What has Nature ever done for us?:How money really does grow on trees' and 'What Nature has done for Britain'. 

    Both books warn of the impacts of not looking after nature, in terms of money and how much better off the economy would be if we look after the natural world.

    https://tonyjuniper.com/


    A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter. 
  • Heavier vehicles make the problem worse.
    Like electric cars in general you mean?
  • To be fair it is impossible for someone as incapable as her
    Let's not make this thread a political one. However, I have never quite undertood why every country needs to be net zero. Globally yes. But am being stupid expecting countries like Brazil, Norway, Sweden etc with big forests being absorbers while others can be producers. 
  • Don't forget that swapping ICE vehicles to EV vehicles is just swapping one unsustainable mode of transport for another. Hydrogen cars are the future - we can artificially make the fuel for them.
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  • Don't forget that swapping ICE vehicles to EV vehicles is just swapping one unsustainable mode of transport for another. Hydrogen cars are the future - we can artificially make the fuel for them.
    You're choosing to ignore the benefits of being able to drive a vehicle powered by renewables.  Do you genuinely believe that renewable electricity-powered cars are as unsustainable as petrol- or diesel-powered cars?
  • Chizz said:
    You're choosing to ignore the benefits of being able to drive a vehicle powered by renewables.  Do you genuinely believe that renewable electricity-powered cars are as unsustainable as petrol- or diesel-powered cars?
    I know there are benefits, like being able to charge them up at home from renewable energy sources.

    But hydrogen powered cars are the future. The fuel is sustainable and they drive just like ICE cars so you remove the boredom factor EVs bring that will never appease petrolheads.
  • To be fair it is impossible for someone as incapable as her
    It's such a shame to see a "leader" deciding against leading.  
  • Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars,  they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.      
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    I know there are benefits, like being able to charge them up at home from renewable energy sources.

    But hydrogen powered cars are the future. The fuel is sustainable and they drive just like ICE cars so you remove the boredom  factor EVs bring that will never appease petrolheads. 
    Could there be any weaker argument for resisting the move away from fossil fuelled cars than this 🤣 What a crying shame for them. 🙄
  • edited March 18
    swordfish said:
    Could there be any weaker argument for resisting the move away from fossil fuelled cars than this 🤣 What a crying shame for them. 🙄
    People are passionate about cars aren't they? That's why lots of weird and wonderful performance cars exist.

    If everyone looked at cars like you do, we'd all be driving around in 1.2l VW Golfs.

    I know I wouldn't buy an EV out of choice because they have no personality.


  • redman said:
    A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter. 
    Only if you don't factor in the massive ecological disaster that I'd speculatively drilling for oil and gas where less then one in 1000 drills produces a useable vein. Even one drill does more damage to nature and ecosystems than a whole wind farm. 

    You can't include that measure on one side of the equation but not the other.
  • redman said:
    A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter. 
    It is possible to have solar farms and grow crops

    https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022/07/agrivoltaic-farming-solar-energy/#:~:text=1%20Agrivoltaic%20farming%20is%20the%20practice%20of%20growing,world%E2%80%99s%20growing%20population%20while%20also%20providing%20sustainable%20energy.

    Agrivoltaic Farming | Is It Worth It?
  • People are passionate about cars aren't they? That's why lots of weird and wonderful performance cars exist.

    If everyone looked at cars like you do, we'd all be driving around in 1.2l VW Golfs.

    I know I wouldn't buy an EV out of choice because they have no personality.


    In 50 years time, when coastal areas are flooded, vast tracts of the earth are uninhabitable and severe weather is an everyday occurrence, the last thing that people will be thinking of is the 'personality' of a vehicle.
  • Not a chance if getting anywhere near that net zero target.
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  • Not a chance if getting anywhere near that net zero target.
    And?
  • In 50 years time, when coastal areas are flooded, vast tracts of the earth are uninhabitable and severe weather is an everyday occurrence, the last thing that people will be thinking of is the 'personality' of a vehicle.
    They definitely will be. Humans are simple creatures.
  • "Anywhere near" is subjective, of course.  However, it's worth noting that we're already 49% of the way there...
  • edited March 18
    In 50 years time, when coastal areas are flooded, vast tracts of the earth are uninhabitable and severe weather is an everyday occurrence, the last thing that people will be thinking of is the 'personality' of a vehicle.
    You won't be able to drive anywhere as there will be 110 million people in this country. 
  • You won't be able to drive anywhere as there will be 110 million people in this country. 
    The suicidal empathy will never stop
  • The suicidal empathy will never stop
    Indeed and we will be on camels and covering our faces. 
  • You won't be able to drive anywhere as there will be 110 million people in this country. 
    That may not be so far from the truth, climate change will only increase migration, as areas that were able to support life become uninhabitable.
  • That may not be so far from the truth, climate change will only increase migration, as areas that were able to support life become uninhabitable.
    That's fine I will be 110 then and I will go where they have left. Lot of space then....
  • edited March 18
    A Tesla model 3 can do 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. How much personality do you need?
  • Greenland the place to be. Invest in the property market there. 
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