Don't forget that swapping ICE vehicles to EV vehicles is just swapping one unsustainable mode of transport for another. Hydrogen cars are the future - we can artificially make the fuel for them.
You're choosing to ignore the benefits of being able to drive a vehicle powered by renewables. Do you genuinely believe that renewable electricity-powered cars are as unsustainable as petrol- or diesel-powered cars?
I know there are benefits, like being able to charge them up at home from renewable energy sources.
But hydrogen powered cars are the future. The fuel is sustainable and they drive just like ICE cars so you remove the boredom factor EVs bring that will never appease petrolheads.
Could there be any weaker argument for resisting the move away from fossil fuelled cars than this 🤣 What a crying shame for them. 🙄
People are passionate about cars aren't they? That's why lots of weird and wonderful performance cars exist.
If everyone looked at cars like you do, we'd all be driving around in 1.2l VW Golfs.
I know I wouldn't buy an EV out of choice because they have no personality.
In 50 years time, when coastal areas are flooded, vast tracts of the earth are uninhabitable and severe weather is an everyday occurrence, the last thing that people will be thinking of is the 'personality' of a vehicle.
You won't be able to drive anywhere as there will be 110 million people in this country.
The suicidal empathy will never stop
Indeed and we will be on camels and covering our faces.
We should be now. Sustainable. Good for the environment. Cheap Insurance. No worry about pot poles, and seldom get the hump.
Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars, they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.
Were we ? I don’t think so. We purchased new cars in 2010 and 2012 and both were petrol. We did our homework and saw the writing on the wall for diesel. Perhaps others did not !
The UK government definitely told us to buy diesel. I didn't want diesel, but bought one in 2007 to be "a good guy". Lost money on it when I had to sell it to avoid ULEZ. Plus diesel costs were higher than petrol costs for the 13 years I had the car. Scammed or utter incompetence?
Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars, they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.
Were we ? I don’t think so. We purchased new cars in 2010 and 2012 and both were petrol. We did our homework and saw the writing on the wall for diesel. Perhaps others did not !
Yes I can assure you we were!
Between 2000 and 2010 I worked for a body that advised government on motoring. Its membership included all the good and great in motoring.
Our main committee meetings were attended by VERY senior government officials who made it very clear that Gordon Brown wanted the industry to concentrate on manufacturing diesel cars because of their lower CO2 emissions.
The industry went away and acted on that advice. The rest is history!
Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars, they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.
Were we ? I don’t think so. We purchased new cars in 2010 and 2012 and both were petrol. We did our homework and saw the writing on the wall for diesel. Perhaps others did not !
Yes I can assure you we were!
Between 2000 and 2010 I worked for a body that advised government on motoring. Its membership included all the good and great in motoring.
Our main committee meetings were attended by VERY senior government officials who made it very clear that Gordon Brown wanted the industry to concentrate on manufacturing diesel cars because of their lower CO2 emissions.
The industry went away and acted on that advice. The rest is history!
While at a BMW dealership, where diesel is king, I asked what percentage of cars sold were petrol - he replied 50%. An awful lot of purchasers never heard that message or saw through it, then.
Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars, they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.
Were we ? I don’t think so. We purchased new cars in 2010 and 2012 and both were petrol. We did our homework and saw the writing on the wall for diesel. Perhaps others did not !
Yes I can assure you we were!
Between 2000 and 2010 I worked for a body that advised government on motoring. Its membership included all the good and great in motoring.
Our main committee meetings were attended by VERY senior government officials who made it very clear that Gordon Brown wanted the industry to concentrate on manufacturing diesel cars because of their lower CO2 emissions.
The industry went away and acted on that advice. The rest is history!
While at a BMW dealership, where diesel is king, I asked what percentage of cars sold were petrol - he replied 50%. An awful lot of purchasers never heard that message or saw through it, then.
Totally agree, the numbers of petrol cars on the road has always exceeded the number of diesel cars.
But percentage wise, it is fascinating to see how the market changed over the first 2 decades of the 2000s.
In 2000, the percentage of cars on the roads in great Britain that were diesel was 12.9%. When the market for diesel cars peaked in December 2017, diesel cars consisted of 39.6% of the cars on the road.
You may have missed the push to buy diesel but believe me, it was there and the above stats prove the message was heard loud and clear by the industry.
I purchased new Skoda in 2007 delivery on the model I wanted was 6 weeks for a diesel and 6 months for a petrol model, plus they offered additional extras if I went with the diesel.
Tony Juniper is Chair of Natural England and has written many books on Climate Change and the benefits of nature to the economy.
Whilst there is so much emphasis on growing the economy, it would be good for everyone to read some of his books, particularly 'What has Nature ever done for us?:How money really does grow on trees' and 'What Nature has done for Britain'.
Both books warn of the impacts of not looking after nature, in terms of money and how much better off the economy would be if we look after the natural world. https://tonyjuniper.com/
A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter.
Only if you don't factor in the massive ecological disaster that I'd speculatively drilling for oil and gas where less then one in 1000 drills produces a useable vein. Even one drill does more damage to nature and ecosystems than a whole wind farm.
You can't include that measure on one side of the equation but not the other.
To a large degree that was actually my point. We only seem to being driven by one side at the moment . There are alternativesand there is no discussion about pros and cons of each individual project.
Don't forget that swapping ICE vehicles to EV vehicles is just swapping one unsustainable mode of transport for another. Hydrogen cars are the future - we can artificially make the fuel for them.
You're choosing to ignore the benefits of being able to drive a vehicle powered by renewables. Do you genuinely believe that renewable solar panel / wind farm / mineral resources draining battery-reliant electricity-powered cars are as unsustainable as petrol- or diesel-powered cars?
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollution
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollution
And yet another example of a failed privatisation?
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollution
Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollution
Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...
Yes I recall Maggie making the same argument and getting dog's abuse
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollution
Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...
Yes I recall Maggie making the same argument and getting dog's abuse
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Edit - Unless you meant smoking them.
I didn't want diesel, but bought one in 2007 to be "a good guy".
Lost money on it when I had to sell it to avoid ULEZ.
Plus diesel costs were higher than petrol costs for the 13 years I had the car.
Scammed or utter incompetence?
Between 2000 and 2010 I worked for a body that advised government on motoring. Its membership included all the good and great in motoring.
Our main committee meetings were attended by VERY senior government officials who made it very clear that Gordon Brown wanted the industry to concentrate on manufacturing diesel cars because of their lower CO2 emissions.
The industry went away and acted on that advice. The rest is history!
All electric motors feel the same
But percentage wise, it is fascinating to see how the market changed over the first 2 decades of the 2000s.
In 2000, the percentage of cars on the roads in great Britain that were diesel was 12.9%. When the market for diesel cars peaked in December 2017, diesel cars consisted of 39.6% of the cars on the road.
You may have missed the push to buy diesel but believe me, it was there and the above stats prove the message was heard loud and clear by the industry.
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?