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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    edited November 30
    Haha... Love the whinge from GP there if Kimi did just let Norris through

    F**k off Red Bull - Although if it was deliberate from Kimi to move aside, why didnt he do it sooner, so Norris could go and challenge Sainz?
    Honestly wonder why the FIA don't pull him up on some of these radio messages??? To basically accuse Kimi of letting Lando through is a ridiculous accusation. 

    Toto should be down there for words.
  • I really hope that Verstappen is leading next week, with the title in the bag, and an SC incident screws it up for him - Karma for 2021 is long overdue, and would love to see Red Bull's true colours cope with it.
  • Championship standings:
    1. Norris - 408
    2. Verstappen  - 396 
    3. Piastri - 392

    So if Verstappen wins in AD, then 3rd will be enough for Norris.
    If Piastri wins then 4th is enough.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    I really hope that Verstappen is leading next week, with the title in the bag, and an SC incident screws it up for him - Karma for 2021 is long overdue, and would love to see Red Bull's true colours cope with it.
    I wonder if he wins it if he retires? If there's doubts from his side about the new regs " not being fun" and the new PU isn't there....
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,744
    edited November 30
    MarcusH26 said:
    Haha... Love the whinge from GP there if Kimi did just let Norris through

    F**k off Red Bull - Although if it was deliberate from Kimi to move aside, why didnt he do it sooner, so Norris could go and challenge Sainz?
    Honestly wonder why the FIA don't pull him up on some of these radio messages??? To basically accuse Kimi of letting Lando through is a ridiculous accusation. 

    Toto should be down there for words.
    Just seen the mistake from Antonelli, its a clear driver error, and is something a few drivers did throughout the race; Kimi did well just to keep it in the right direction - We know Toto wont say anything as he's desperate to hire Max
  • Zulu
    Zulu Posts: 250
    Mclaren handed that win to Verstappen. Crazy deicison not to pit when everyone else did.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,572
    It’s where having 2 potential title winners doesn’t help. The logical thing to do was pit one of them and split the strategy but then they’d be accused of favouritism 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,841
    Championship standings:
    1. Norris - 408
    2. Verstappen  - 396 
    3. Piastri - 392

    So if Verstappen wins in AD, then 3rd will be enough for Norris.
    If Piastri wins then 4th is enough.
    If Piastri wins then 5th would be enough.
  • Zulu
    Zulu Posts: 250
    Gonna be an immense final gp
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,952
    MarcusH26 said:
    I really hope that Verstappen is leading next week, with the title in the bag, and an SC incident screws it up for him - Karma for 2021 is long overdue, and would love to see Red Bull's true colours cope with it.
    I wonder if he wins it if he retires? If there's doubts from his side about the new regs " not being fun" and the new PU isn't there....
    Not a chance.
    He wants the most titles. No way he’s retiring anytime soon. Constructor dominance goes in phases, so he might need to change team, but he wants to be the undisputed best.

    And as much as it sticks in my craw, he’s building a decent case already. He is peerless.

    Also, as an aside, I’ve noticed recently, particularly in post race interviews, that he’s far more engaging and pleasant than previously. He seems to have developed a sense of humour and he’s also far more engaged in chatting with his fellow racers in what seem like friendly exchanges. It makes me wonder if this is a conscious PR effort? Or is it just that the pressure is somewhat off as he’s been so far back in the title race for so long? Or maybe he’s just a bit more mature and chill?
    I don’t know, but although I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m warming to him, he does come across as much less of a petulant, spoilt, entitled prick than he has in the past.

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  • MarcusH26
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 34,167
    Why was there a mandatory tyre change at 25 laps?  Never seen that before. Looked dangerous at one point with all the drivers coming in at the same time. 


  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    Why was there a mandatory tyre change at 25 laps?  Never seen that before. Looked dangerous at one point with all the drivers coming in at the same time. 


    Qatar absolutely destroys the tyres being a track made for MotoGP and after a spate of failures in the past 2 races there Pirelli asked for maximum stint lengths to be brought in 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,045
    Marko making these claims when we have seen the farcical stuff going on with the Racing Bulls over the years is fucking ridiculous
  • Zulu
    Zulu Posts: 250
    Crazy to even think it, let alone say it.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    Marko making these claims when we have seen the farcical stuff going on with the Racing Bulls over the years is fucking ridiculous
    GP doesn't help either with the stupid radio messages. Whole team is still absolutely toxic even with Chief Shitstirrer out of the door. 

    Shame it looks like Hadjar is going to be the next driver to be ruined by that team. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,521
    Why do people give a shit what Helmet says? He's always said stupid stuff to get reactions out of people, just ignore him!
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,451
    McLaren strategy meeting. Qatar. 


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    The only thing that would make this situation bearable is if Max wins the WDC next week and then gets disqualified on a technicality. 
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,300
    MarcusH26 said:
    Why was there a mandatory tyre change at 25 laps?  Never seen that before. Looked dangerous at one point with all the drivers coming in at the same time. 


    Qatar absolutely destroys the tyres being a track made for MotoGP and after a spate of failures in the past 2 races there Pirelli asked for maximum stint lengths to be brought in 
    I just popped on here to say I heard a rumour that something exciting is happening in F1 for the first time since Graham Hill was world champion, and I see this. 

    Nice to see Qatar is being allowed to stage another sporting event it is clearly not actually suited to...
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,952
    I wonder if we might get a situation where with, say, 2 laps to go, Max is set to win the race comfortably while Oscar is 2nd or 3rd and Lando sits in 4th place?
    Surely at this point, Oscar would be told to let Lando past as the title would be gone for him by then, even if Max crashed out, but the team would want the win?

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  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,065
    Think Maclaren deserve bonus points for their balls up. Made what would have been the most boring Grand Prix in history watchable till the end.

    Vamos Carlos! 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    MarcusH26 said:
    Why was there a mandatory tyre change at 25 laps?  Never seen that before. Looked dangerous at one point with all the drivers coming in at the same time. 


    Qatar absolutely destroys the tyres being a track made for MotoGP and after a spate of failures in the past 2 races there Pirelli asked for maximum stint lengths to be brought in 
    I just popped on here to say I heard a rumour that something exciting is happening in F1 for the first time since Graham Hill was world champion, and I see this. 

    Nice to see Qatar is being allowed to stage another sporting event it is clearly not actually suited to...
    Here's the thing , the Qataris original deal was 2 years out at Losail and then we'll build a shiny street circuit in the middle of Doha just like every other new F1 circuit seems to be. Never even seen a rendering of this proposed street circuit and I think their new deal is 10 years at possibly the worst track on the calendar. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,521
    Ferrari reckon they stopped all 2025 updates by April so that's why they're so slow...

    Hope for their sake they can build a decent PU and be right up there again, would be nice to see them not winning the WDC because of shit team strategy instead of shit team car again
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,065
    What a great job James Vowles is doing at Williams. Moved from 9th to 5th this season and clear big performer outside the top 4. That will bring in an extra $40m in prize money.

    Really hope they deliver something competitive for next season as I think they’ve two drivers that could compete well 
  • I wonder if we might get a situation where with, say, 2 laps to go, Max is set to win the race comfortably while Oscar is 2nd or 3rd and Lando sits in 4th place?
    Surely at this point, Oscar would be told to let Lando past as the title would be gone for him by then, even if Max crashed out, but the team would want the win?
    Perhaps easier said than done but i think Norris just has to try to avoid any flashpoints. Barring any disasters like yesterday i think the McLaren should have enough pace for him to get the top 3 spot he needs. The worst thing he can do is try to race Verstappen, go wheel to wheel (for example into turn 1 if they're both front row of the grid) and then risk coming off because you know Verstappen isn't going to give an inch.

    In an ideal world though it's a Norris-Piastri 1-2 on the grid and they both race clear out of turn 1, with Norris knowing he's got the Piastri buffer before having to deal with any Verstappen flashpoints.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    What a great job James Vowles is doing at Williams. Moved from 9th to 5th this season and clear big performer outside the top 4. That will bring in an extra $40m in prize money.

    Really hope they deliver something competitive for next season as I think they’ve two drivers that could compete well 
    James was pretty clear even going to back last season that the work he was doing behind the scenes wouldn't really be seen on the track until 2026. Hopefully they can deliver a strong car and the rumours about Mercedes being the power unit to have are legit. 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,045
    I wonder if we might get a situation where with, say, 2 laps to go, Max is set to win the race comfortably while Oscar is 2nd or 3rd and Lando sits in 4th place?
    Surely at this point, Oscar would be told to let Lando past as the title would be gone for him by then, even if Max crashed out, but the team would want the win?
    Perhaps easier said than done but i think Norris just has to try to avoid any flashpoints. Barring any disasters like yesterday i think the McLaren should have enough pace for him to get the top 3 spot he needs. The worst thing he can do is try to race Verstappen, go wheel to wheel (for example into turn 1 if they're both front row of the grid) and then risk coming off because you know Verstappen isn't going to give an inch.

    In an ideal world though it's a Norris-Piastri 1-2 on the grid and they both race clear out of turn 1, with Norris knowing he's got the Piastri buffer before having to deal with any Verstappen flashpoints.

    In this case, would Piastri try and back Norris up into Max behind?
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,451
    I think deliberately giving Max DRS is generally not a good idea. 
  • Erik van Haren is saying that Red Bull will confirm its line ups for next season with Verstappen and Hadjar / Lawson and Lindblad on Tuesday. 

    Arvid did much better yesterday in F2, and whilst Monza was very much the exception for his racing, he's very much copied Bearman, when it comes to picking up silly penalties and will really need to work on that next season.

    He's also been hyped by Red Bull as their next big thing since Verstappen for a good few years now, so unsurprising they're not being patient with his development... I just hope that in part he's already checked out of F2 as his Qualifying also has much to be desired, along with Red Bull seeing data from him in the background, and like Bearman and Antonelli last year; F2 results are a terrible thing to confirm if a driver is ready or not. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,255
    Erik van Haren is saying that Red Bull will confirm its line ups for next season with Verstappen and Hadjar / Lawson and Lindblad on Tuesday. 

    Arvid did much better yesterday in F2, and whilst Monza was very much the exception for his racing, he's very much copied Bearman, when it comes to picking up silly penalties and will really need to work on that next season.

    He's also been hyped by Red Bull as their next big thing since Verstappen for a good few years now, so unsurprising they're not being patient with his development... I just hope that in part he's already checked out of F2 as his Qualifying also has much to be desired, along with Red Bull seeing data from him in the background, and like Bearman and Antonelli last year; F2 results are a terrible thing to confirm if a driver is ready or not. 
    Not convinced this is the best move for Red Bull or Lindblad. Feels like he needs a second season of F2 but he's been Marko's golden boy for years so straight into the frying pan it is. 

    Red Bulls academy in general is pretty weak at the moment so I'm not sure they have a lot of other options bar waiting 2-3 years for Fionn McLaughlin.