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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Sheffield United: Saturday 17th January 2026: KO 15:00

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  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 12,119
    Whichever way you look at it those were a crucial 3 points yesterday. Each game you look at between now and the end of the season looks really tough. Buckle up because this is going to be a rollercoaster ride!
  • Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch
    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch Posts: 2,003
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Leaburn was down and Hylton was telling him to stay down,  so we can do our standard re shuffle cos we’ve fucked it up with the starting line up /formation and Leaburn didn’t see the signal.
    As if by magic Kaminski hits the deck and stays down and on comes the trainer. It’s beyond pathetic that we do this virtually every game yes it benefits us but it’s a bit muggy imo 

    It was magic. From the sidelines Godden moved his arm in a pushing-down motion while looking at Kaminski. The teleported blow struck Kaminski and he went down like a sack of spuds.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,749
    edited 2:31PM
    PWR.

    Delighted we won and got 3 points. Another step towards 21st or better which is what we need to achieve this season.

    Glad Carey rediscovered where the goal is.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 7,085
    killerandflash said:
    You can tell how badly we have started a game, by whether Kaminski goes down, and how early it happens.

    Indeed never mind pass completion or xG, the "Kaminski injury" stat is the one I'd like to see  :D
    I was two minutes off in my guess for the Kaminski injury, as assessed at the 10 minute mark. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,614
    stjohnshill said:
    Quite alarming to hear TC got MOTM in the lounge over Kaminski. I do seriously wonder what some of our fans see at times 
    Perhaps they stayed in the lounge for the first half. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,614
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Leaburns substitution at that point and position of the game has to go down as one of the most fucktard decisions made in the  history of football .
    It was undeniably fucktardish. Would have been slightly less so (only slightly) if Godden had then stood on the halfway line, pulling one Sheff Utd defender with him. 

    Last season Jones impressed me with his clever use of subs. This season, I've been less impressed. That poor sod Apter ought to ask for a move. If he can't get on in a game where the oppo are crying out to be stretched and with two big strikers to aim crosses at.....
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,499
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Rob said:
    I don’t understand all the Nathan Jones bashing. The aim this season is to stay up and I think we will quite comfortably. We were in League 1 for a while and had developed a league 1 attitude and a league 1 team. It takes a while to change that culture. But slowly Nathan Jones will do that. Give him a chance. 

    I know today wasn’t pretty but a win is a win. The Championship is brutal and we’re doing that, essentially, with mainly a league 1 squad. I can understand his caution in games. 
    Yes we got three points (thank the lord) but we can’t brush under the carpet the fact that we are currently awful. Completely lost our way since the first quarter of the season. No cohesion in our play. We lack a real goal threat and our defence is a shadow of the one earlier in the season. Make no mistake if we continue with our current form we will get relegated. Yes we’ve been fairly unlucky with injuries to key players but nobody outside of us cares a hoot about that. We are struggling and Jones must find a way to get us moving forward again. The window is open but it would appear that the wallet is closed. Yes we’ve have some reinforcements but is there anyone that really thinks we’ve signed our way out of trouble ? I don’t. Relegation would be an absolute disaster. We have it within our own hands to ensure that doesn’t happen and I don’t see anything that inspires me to believe we’re taking the threat seriously enough.
    There are a things open to challenge here. Firstly, where is it stated that wallet is closed ? That may be a statement of fact on 1st February but unless you have some insider knowledge 'Shooters' it certainly isn't fact at the moment whilst there is thirteen days left in this window, it should also be noted that whilst you may think Dykes and Clark cost us nothing, that, as you know full well, is far from the truth. Secondly, 'our defence is a shadow of the one earlier in the season'  it may have escaped your notice and quite a few others as well, that the first sending off happened in the 35 minute, Sheff Utd for all their domination still hadn't scored by that point and it's, once again, not factual to suggest they would have done, they simply didn't, fact. Lastly, since 4th November when we beat West Brom at home, Charlton have played just five games at home, losing to Southampton and Middlesborough but beating Sheff Utd and Oxford and drawing with Coventry, seven points from five games, if that form were to continue, and bearing in mind it is only average form, Charlton would gain a further 14 points from ten home games. There are a few posters on here who see things only in black and white and you should know Shooters, that football isn't like that, it's full of twists and turns, we may or may not secure 14 points at home, we may or may not bring players in, but the facts I have mentioned are there because of their very nature, factual. 
  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,983
    R0TW said:

    Pleased you lost , never understood a fan betting against his own team.

    Not something I could do, realise that plenty would.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,254
    Carey really needs to take his chance now and hit a bit of form. Those runs into the box from LD knock downs could be a really good weapon to have. 

    Please can we get a left sided WB in before Millwall. It will bring so much balance to the team. 
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,792
    edited 3:07PM
    Callumcafc said:
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    Getting something on a break was going to be their only opportunity of scoring a goal. I can only remember them managing to do that once in 50 minutes of football.

    So how was our approach playing into their hands? Keeping the foot on the throat gives them more opportunities to turn it over, more opportunities to break and more opportunities to equalise.


    If the coaches and players aren't confident in being able to look for a goal without conceding and needing to "over commit", 11 v 9, then they must be absolutely shitting themselves before every game at 11 v 11.

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  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,792
    Nothing much to add, all been said, dire and lucky we got a much needed win and 3 points.

    That's all. 
  • CharltonManor1966
    CharltonManor1966 Posts: 217
    Exiled_Addick said:
    sam3110 said:
    Jones digging us out for getting on their backs when only 1 up, bore off you helmet, you can glaze Sheffield all you want, down to 9 men and away from home and you're still scared of them, tells us a lot of how little quality we actually have, should be putting them to the sword and making an impression, not still standing off them and praying they don't score an equaliser 
    Praying they don’t score an equalizer… behave. I get we didn’t exactly go for the jugular but they also didn’t look like scoring after we  went ahead.  
    You are correct however I confess that with 10 to go when we started backing off from 9 men and letting them hump balls into our box, I was one of many starting to think "I know just what's going to happen here"!
    Well - it didn't - and you are correct, but we really shouldn't have even been asking the question!
    We could and should have done far more to put that game away.
    I am still shocked at our technical incompetence in midfield and our inability to move the ball forwards other than hump-ball.
  • bromleyjohn
    bromleyjohn Posts: 6,008
    I think we’re going through another change in the team what with new players coming in and Nathan obviously not knowing what is best starting 11 is. The other thing noticeable yesterday was that Ramsey was very reluctant to give Clark the ball; him being a complete newbie to the team and Ramsey unable to trust that he would do anything with it which is a shame as Clark looks like he could be a very good signing for us. I don’t know why Coventry wasn’t playing, but he was missed in a big way for both his passing ability and his defensive skills. We completely rode our luck yesterday and were all over the place on the field but you can’t fault Jones for continuing to try things and new people. Let’s hope they’re more a cohesive unit on Tuesday and once again get the first goal. It really is the case of just not getting relegated this season; that’s all that really matters. We may even get to play West Ham next season.
  • CharltonManor1966
    CharltonManor1966 Posts: 217
    Bailey said:
    Firstly, who on here had us to do the double over the blades without conceding a goal, no I didn't think so. Playing Bree at left wing back was probably Nathan Jones saying to the board, 'look we need a left wing back', most of their best attacks came down that side and if I were Chris Wilder, I would have pointed out that right footed Bree and Gillesphey were to be got at. If we go to the Den without that position filled, hide behind the sofa. Positives, Kaminski, Lloyd Jones, Anderson, leaburn, Dykes, the return of Matt Godden and three points in this three game run. Negatives, vacancy in the left wing back position, no Bell or Edwards. You might think we didn't deserve it but at the end of the season, we will look back and thank our lucky stars for Sheff Utd taking Chris Wilders instructions too literally. 
    Anderson a positive!!!???
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 851
    As cynical and annoying as some find the fake keeper injury to reset, I’m not going to complain when it allows us to get things sorted. Until the F.A decide to put a stop to it why shouldn’t we take advantage if it benefits us?. Not saying its at all good but at the moment it’s part of the game. The solution is to make sure all players go to the centre circle whilst the injury is dealt with, it would soon become less of an event. 
  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,983
     Sword65pf said:
    As cynical and annoying as some find the fake keeper injury to reset, I’m not going to complain when it allows us to get things sorted. Until the F.A decide to put a stop to it why shouldn’t we take advantage if it benefits us?. Not saying its at all good but at the moment it’s part of the game. The solution is to make sure all players go to the centre circle whilst the injury is dealt with, it would soon become less of an event. 
    Spot on with all of your post, it really does need to be sorted rule wise next season.
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,150
    edited 4:04PM
    superclive98 said:
    Redskin said:
    superclive98 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    First half Sheff Utd started as expected front foot , full of confidence the good thing was we stayed in the game .. i do question NJ team selection in midfield and that caused us issues the whole game .. Anderson ?? the only reason we were in the game at HT was Kaminski… two or three excellent saves and was clear MOM … then the sending offs and the changes …. Don’t think NJ done enough at ht we should have stretched the play but didn’t .. good goal
    from Carey after knock down from Dykes .. but then we got it wrong , don’t get me wrong Sheff Utd never looked like scoring second half but we didn’t go for the kill .. we did not keep procession well enough especially at the back , the crowd did not help and when played the ball forward Sheff Utd coped well which is what they wanted .. Campbell had no one marking him at all and he had so much space and time yet again failed to deliver a killer cross he was poor .. why oh why Apter not playing .. .. we huffed and puffed but it got a little nervous cause it was a massive result .. at the end of the day it was massive 3 points against a team who were in top form .. does not matter how you get it , performance it’s about winning and we did .. we seen it thousands of times that sending offs effects the other team more … but today I think NJ got it badly wrong both in starting line up and at ht with the subs and his game management through the second half
    Massive clown.
    Really? What has he posted that hasn't already been written by the majority of people on here?
    Oh, that's right, it's the RonnieMoore, Everyone Pile on Syndrome in play... 

    What took you so long?
    I've already said that his criticism of TC yesterday was what made his comments clownish.
    Then you should have been more specific.
    The way you worded it implied you were referring to the post in its considerable entirety.
     
    'Massive clown' - such poetic licence...
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,046
    CL_Phantom said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    Getting something on a break was going to be their only opportunity of scoring a goal. I can only remember them managing to do that once in 50 minutes of football.

    So how was our approach playing into their hands? Keeping the foot on the throat gives them more opportunities to turn it over, more opportunities to break and more opportunities to equalise.


    If the coaches and players aren't confident in being able to look for a goal without conceding and needing to "over commit", 11 v 9, then they must be absolutely shitting themselves before every game at 11 v 11.
    Umm yeah. Were you watching the game at 11 v 11?
  • CharltonManor1966
    CharltonManor1966 Posts: 217
    Southbank said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    First half Sheff Utd started as expected front foot , full of confidence the good thing was we stayed in the game .. i do question NJ team selection in midfield and that caused us issues the whole game .. Anderson ?? the only reason we were in the game at HT was Kaminski… two or three excellent saves and was clear MOM … then the sending offs and the changes …. Don’t think NJ done enough at ht we should have stretched the play but didn’t .. good goal
    from Carey after knock down from Dykes .. but then we got it wrong , don’t get me wrong Sheff Utd never looked like scoring second half but we didn’t go for the kill .. we did not keep procession well enough especially at the back , the crowd did not help and when played the ball forward Sheff Utd coped well which is what they wanted .. Campbell had no one marking him at all and he had so much space and time yet again failed to deliver a killer cross he was poor .. why oh why Apter not playing .. .. we huffed and puffed but it got a little nervous cause it was a massive result .. at the end of the day it was massive 3 points against a team who were in top form .. does not matter how you get it , performance it’s about winning and we did .. we seen it thousands of times that sending offs effects the other team more … but today I think NJ got it badly wrong both in starting line up and at ht with the subs and his game management through the second half
    Campbell had two men marking him every time he got the ball. Apter should have been on the side to take advantage of that.
    So........ if they had 9 men and two were watching Campbell - we had a lot spare pitch to use against their 7 remaining players!?
    But what did we do with it?
    Clarke was in acres of space on the right as would Apter have been had he been on but we are incapable of using the ball intelligently or accurately.
    Campbell did make himself available and did get us up the pitch against their 9 men, but just once did he go by on the outside and put in a decent cross - the rest of the time he did his usual and came inside on his one strong foot and nothing at all came of it.
    Kaminsky and Jones as well as our two newbies were the only credits today.
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,063
    Only the 10 goals at the Valley today.
    Didn't know the scoreboard went that high.

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  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,398
    Off_it said:
    This "timeout" thing has to stop. Everyone does it. We always do it, but they also did it in the second half when the ref went over to their keeper and called the trainer on, but he never came on. Their players all went into a huddle and the ref just stood there until eventually the keeper just got up again.

    Some of these breaks last for five minutes or more. The game just stops and everyone seems to accept it. Ridiculous.
    I agree entirely, but knowing what the football authorities are like, what's the betting that when they do deal with it they codify and monetise it rather than stop it? Something like, each manager may call up to two time-outs in a match, more if there's extra time. Each time-out must be a minimum of three minutes long so there can be plenty of adverts.  Any manager not using his full allocation of time outs has to pay a fine. I bet something like this happens before too long and if I know how much Gianni Infantino loves a dollar, it will happen first of all at a World Cup.
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,378
    Campbell is a monster when he comes on as a sub, mostly as we will be attacking looking for a goal compared to our starting tactics. Shows how good he would be if we started with a more attacking formation that suited wingers 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,365
    edited 5:07PM
    Simonsen said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Leaburns substitution at that point and position of the game has to go down as one of the most fucktard decisions made in the  history of football .
    It was undeniably fucktardish. Would have been slightly less so (only slightly) if Godden had then stood on the halfway line, pulling one Sheff Utd defender with him. 

    Last season Jones impressed me with his clever use of subs. This season, I've been less impressed. That poor sod Apter ought to ask for a move. If he can't get on in a game where the oppo are crying out to be stretched and with two big strikers to aim crosses at.....

    That was a total mystery that Nathan didn't put on Rob Apter against the 9? NJ is such a positive live wire on the sidelines but with a negative mindset. 

    No criticism of Nathan's touchline antics as I prefer that to the hands in the pocket of Micky Apples and Russell Slade. 

  • Valley Ant
    Valley Ant Posts: 485
    I do get NJ's points, and the 3 points were gained so the tactics worked.

    However, I think we could have moved the ball much quicker moving forward to drag the 9 men all over the place without being reckless and leaving ourselves open to counter attacks.
    Passing ahead of the man would help keep forward momentum. How often did we pass it straight to him or behind him?

    Also, if we left TC on the halfway line when they had a long throw or corner, then they would surely have had to bring 2 players back to cover him.
    That leaves 5 players in the box against our 10.
    Instead, we bring him back and have 7 against 11.

    We really shouldn't batten down the hatches against 9 men. What signal does that give to players and fans alike?
  • TomCAFC
    TomCAFC Posts: 24
    When down to 9 men they were obviously there for the taking. Campbell had acres of space down the left but time after time he slowed everything down by checking back inside onto his right foot. Let their back 3 reset and await another rubbish cross. Whatever happened to wingers going down the outside and getting quick crosses in? Absolute madness putting the fella on the left if he can’t use his left foot at all.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,238
    edited 5:14PM
    Gillesphey is good at free kicks, as proved yesterday, can he be any good at corners or free kicks on the edge of their penalty area, as proved last season playoff 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,039
    2121 said:
    Campbell is a monster when he comes on as a sub, mostly as we will be attacking looking for a goal compared to our starting tactics. Shows how good he would be if we started with a more attacking formation that suited wingers 
    Monster 😂
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,745
    edited 5:31PM
    Think at times NJ gets so caught up in the emotion of the game that he can’t see the wood for the trees and makes some quite frankly mad decisions.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,272
    Sword65pf said:
    As cynical and annoying as some find the fake keeper injury to reset, I’m not going to complain when it allows us to get things sorted. Until the F.A decide to put a stop to it why shouldn’t we take advantage if it benefits us?. Not saying its at all good but at the moment it’s part of the game. The solution is to make sure all players go to the centre circle whilst the injury is dealt with, it would soon become less of an event. 
    Have the sub keeper ready to come on immediately the keeper goes down. That would stop it. 
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 851
    Chippycafc said:
    Sword65pf said:
    As cynical and annoying as some find the fake keeper injury to reset, I’m not going to complain when it allows us to get things sorted. Until the F.A decide to put a stop to it why shouldn’t we take advantage if it benefits us?. Not saying its at all good but at the moment it’s part of the game. The solution is to make sure all players go to the centre circle whilst the injury is dealt with, it would soon become less of an event. 
    Have the sub keeper ready to come on immediately the keeper goes down. That would stop it. 
    Thing is a different player will go down in a position of the pitch the game can’t continue,probably the six yard box, for me players in the centre circle, manager and coaches in the dugout for a step further.🤷🏻‍♂️

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