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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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All that said, I don't think I'd try it on Saturday at Millwall! Batten down the hatches, shut your eyes and hope for that one I guess.2
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Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.6 -
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.9 -
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.3 -
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.2 -
It’s not a narrative though, nearly everytime we’ve tried something different it’s been worse. Last night the 3-4-2-1 worked better, but we’ve started with that shape in games this season and been worse. We swapped things around almost too much over the course of this run and most of them were just as bad if not much worse than the 3-5-2Croydon said:
We haven't had a defensive solidity for months and this wretched run of form has had 3-5-2 at the heart of it. I don't understand the narrative that anything else would be worse.NabySarr said:
He’s changed system quite a lot though, including last night. The truth is we have built a squad for 3-5-2, so even without a proper LWB it is still the best shape for us. Whenever we’ve changed shape in games or from the start we’ve been just as bad, if not worseCroydon said:
I actually disagree on this current run. It's Jones' reluctance to change system that's causing so many of our problems. I said at the time that other managers would not have got 0 points from both Norwich and Portsmouth over Christmas, and we haven't improved at all since then.NabySarr said:
Exactly this. Another manager wouldn’t do any better with this squad of playersfollett said:
We also have one of the worst squads in the league which is natural as we have the second lowest wage budget. It’s not like a new manager just comes in and starts winning, just look at West Brom’s new manager.cafcnick1992 said:Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?
We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.
I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
The football is bleak atm but I still think NJ is the best man for the job and can turn it around.
He does need to take a look at himself for the recruitment. Signing injury prone defenders and not having depth in certain positions (cough cough LWB) is really fucking us over. The most creative player on the pitch, who can’t defend being stifled at LWB is just painful to watch. He is stubborn that’s for sure but he did turn it around last season, let’s hope he can do it againYou can possibly blame recruitment but as a newly promoted team we had to shop the best of league 1 as our main market. Established championship players just won’t sign for the relegation favourites who have just come up
I don't want him sacked but he is definitely due some criticism
What other formation could you play with these available personnel? There are multiple problems with the team whatever the formation you pickup. At least the 3-5-2 only has one problem that will hopefully soon be sorted out
If we play a back 4, then we still have no left back, and we also don’t have the centre backs for that shape, or the striker to lead the line. That’s a lot more problems than what we have now in the 3-5-2
So you swap to a back 4, sacrifice any defensive solidity (what has got us here!) as you’ve got half the back 4 in bad roles. And in return you get Apter and TC in their best roles, I’m sorry but that’s not worth ruining the defence for because neither are going to suddenly start scoring and assisting loads of goals at this level
Changing shape at HT after another woeful first half isn't good enough imo.
Just off the top of my head we have played
3-5-2
3-4-2-1
4-4-2 diamond
4-1-4-1
Whatever we ended the game doing last night
Plus probably a few more I’m forgettingAre people just not spotting system changes or are they just ignoring them to suit their argument Jones is stubborn?I’m still not hearing any good alternatives either, because every alternative has more holes in than our 3-5-2 does which is why Jones plays it1 -
To be fair, where we expected to finish is entirely separate from concerns over transfers and performances, both of which fans are fully justified to get frustrated with.ForeverAddickted said:
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.5 -
Expected relegation fight as i didnt think we would of spent any money.ForeverAddickted said:
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.
We did and was pretty much wasted.
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Criticism/concern/frustration is fine and some of it is fair. Saying the manager should be sacked though is ridiculous at this stage. He’s performed a miracle with us and is at the moment still performing above expectation this season. A sacking now would rightly be ridiculed by the footballing world as a terrible decisionAberystwythAddick said:
To be fair, where we expected to finish is entirely separate from concerns over transfers and performances, both of which fans are fully justified to get frustrated with.ForeverAddickted said:
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.3 -
I think I predicted we’d be relegated, I still think we will. Actually, with each passing match I become more convinced that we ultimately don’t have the quality to keep ourselves up. But if anyone can get us over the line I still think that Jones has a better chance than any realistic alternative coming in after the January window has shut.ForeverAddickted said:
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.3 -
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Has anyone said he should be sacked though? This thread title is from last year and most just seem to be criticising rather than calling for him to be sacked.NabySarr said:
Criticism/concern/frustration is fine and some of it is fair. Saying the manager should be sacked though is ridiculous at this stage. He’s performed a miracle with us and is at the moment still performing above expectation this season. A sacking now would rightly be ridiculed by the footballing world as a terrible decisionAberystwythAddick said:
To be fair, where we expected to finish is entirely separate from concerns over transfers and performances, both of which fans are fully justified to get frustrated with.ForeverAddickted said:
What did you expect... Where did you think we'd finish this season?Willo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.1 -
Willo for starters has already called for him to go1
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it is a concern we play wing back formation when we don't have wing backs
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Only one brave enough 🤣ForeverAddickted said:Willo for starters has already called for him to go8 -
MrOneLung said:it is a concern we play wing back formation when we don't have wing backsWe could play 4-4-2, and we still wouldn't a Left-Back...?Doesn't matter what we do, because of that huge chunk of the puzzle currently missingWhatever we do, its square pegs in round holes3
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shine166 said:
We are set up to play utter dross, easy to play freely when you're 2-0 down and have to go for it.Garrymanilow said:I do think he makes some odd choices. One thing that is clear though, which people should have learned last season, is that Jones isn't telling these players to misplace 5 yard passes, panic on the ball and hoof it aimlessly. He went mad in press conferences last years talking about how the players weren't doing what they'd talked about all week and a lot of posters refused to have it. Then it clicked for the team and you could see the plan starting to form. Burke last night in his interview said about how he and the rest of the players need to start games like they finished this one and that's on them to do. Jones always wants his teams front-footed, aggressive, good in the press and organised at the back. They're not complicated instructions but the players aren't working in sync and helping each other out. I think a big problem at the moment is that the injuries came at the worst possible time with our fixtures and in the worst possible combination. The injuries targeted exactly the spots where we had least depth and we played teams where we could least cover for it. You can see the confidence hit the run has given us by how deep we defend at times allowing space on the edge of the box and how panic can sweep through a backline that used to not allow shots at the keeper because they were so tight and good at blocking.
Jones' job now is trying to lift that mood and that fear off the team, which is a difficult one. I think we need some new players in, we've always wanted a LWB, LCB and CM and I think that if we manage to get those in and the defence feels a bit more settled without people playing out of position we'll improve. A bit more pace about the midfield would also be nice but I really don't think we're likely to get in three top quality players. You never know though, Clarke looks like a great signing so far, three more of his standard and we'll be fine.
Shooting after the horse has bolted.
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He makes some proper weird and random choices, remember when out of nowhere Berry started 3/4 games in a row (was shit), now for some reason Anderson is starting despite being way out of his depth, same with his treatment of Apter and JRC both dropped after showing good form.3
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Jones has got us in this mess or does he only accept praise and doesn't like criticism?TootingRedArmy said:Yes, we’re on a poor run. But I don’t believe there’s a better manager than Nathan Jones to take us through to the end of the season. The man is gloriously bonkers. OTT, needy, emotionally wired straight into the mains. His Achilles heel? Not exactly a champion at taking criticism. But give me that over the other League One Managers we had, also-rans, chancers and blokes who look like they’ve accidentally wandered into the dugout ....Michael Appleton (nightmare) Hands up, would you really want any of them back?
Jones has been a breath of fresh air. Slightly unhinged, Passion pouring out of every pore, veins popping, eyes blazing, fist pumping, nail biting and you know what? I love it.
Confession time: I missed only my second home game last night because I was at a comedy show in Soho. Ironically, I missed what sounds like a very different kind of comedy at The Valley (not). Football is a mad, crazy game. Most Addicks are probably already bracing themselves for the worst at The Den. And yes, odds are our hoodoo against Millwall continues… But it doesn’t always work like that, does it? Stranger things have happened, we might be in for another beating but then again we could sneak a win or a draw, I’m still looking forward to going. Still very much backing the gaffer ! COYA's
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Berry is his favourite player in the world , he'd play 11 Luke Berry's if it was possible. Don't really see why he was on the bench last night when you could have had Apters pace and delivery as an option.IR94 said:He makes some proper weird and random choices, remember when out of nowhere Berry started 3/4 games in a row (was shit), now for some reason Anderson is starting despite being way out of his depth, same with his treatment of Apter and JRC both dropped after showing good form.1 -
I'm not going to call for him to go as i think he absolutely deserves the chance to turn things around. A lot of people (including me) wanted him gone around November/early December 2024 and look what happened.
It's not as if we're getting battered by teams because Southampton aside we are generally always in games and it was only 3 weeks ago we got a draw with the league leaders. Clarke and Dykes are decent additions and if we can sort the obvious LWB issue then i'm confident we'll be ok.
The likes of Blackburn (1 win in 12), West brom (2 wins in 10) and Portsmouth (4 wins in 16) are hardly tearing up trees. A lot of people on here are acting like we're sat in Oxford's position.6 -
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I agree with you on part 1 and 2 here but no pt3. I don’t see much crazy frantic opining on here. We are in serious panic because we’re in a battle with those teams you mention to avoid that relegation spot and we’re in as bad or worse form than any of them and with no sign of it changing. It would be utter madness not to be concerned and critical of our performances at the moment. If anything that is healthy and Jones himself should realise that. I’m not calling for him to go because he proved me wrong last year and I don’t think there’s anyone who’s likely to give us a better chance of surviving anyway, but he , and the more sensitive on here IMO, also need to recognise that criticism is healthy and he shouldn’t be entirely immune from it solely because of what he achieved last seasonChris_from_Sidcup said:I'm not going to call for him to go as i think he absolutely deserves the chance to turn things around. A lot of people (including me) wanted him gone around November/early December 2024 and look what happened.
It's not as if we're getting battered by teams because Southampton aside we are generally always in games and it was only 3 weeks ago we got a draw with the league leaders. Clarke and Dykes are decent additions and if we can sort the obvious LWB issue then i'm confident we'll be ok.
The likes of Blackburn (1 win in 12), West brom (2 wins in 10) and Portsmouth (4 wins in 16) are hardly tearing up trees. A lot of people on here are acting like we're sat in Oxford's position.1 -
If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.7
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Mate what you talking aboutWillo said:
A tantrum 🤣 sorry i want better from our manager, the guy has lost the plot! A sign of madness and all thatGarrymanilow said:
No-one has said it's fine. Just that it's realistic that we would struggle this season. 27 games played and we're still not in the relegation zone. Having a tantrum about the manager and wanting him out because two years after he joined a team near the bottom of L1 we're fighting to stay in the Championship is just a bit silly given our budget and the time it's taken to get there. The thing we need more than anything whether it's Jones or someone else is some signings. If we sacked him today and brought in a new manager that new manager would still have to choose between nothing and no-one to play on the left side of defence, same as Jones does. If being 4 points clear of relegation after 27 games is getting it totally wrong for you then you may need to adjust your expectations.Willo said:
Lets sleep walk to relagation then its all fineGarrymanilow said:
A relegation would be horrible but it's ridiculous to act like it's something that can't happen or is somehow unrealistic. We're not a rich club and we went up via the play-offs. We spent a lot of money for us but still less overall than some teams spent on a single player and we're seeing that borne out on the pitch. The two teams we went up with have spent an incredible amount on their teams this season and last - Birmingham £21m this season and £31m last season, Wrexham £33m this season, £4.3m last season. That means we're competing to stay up against more established Championship teams. It's no surprise that Pompey and Oxford are down there having only been up there for one full season, but Blackburn have been in the league since 18/19, West Brom and Norwich were in the Premier League in 20/21 and 21/22 respectively, Saints were in the Premier League last season and Sheff Utd got 90 Championship points last season. Every time we sign a player we add them to last season's L1 team. The teams around us add a signing to a team that has already established itself in this division.Willo said:He bangs on about the position in the league we was in when he took over blah blah blah and look!
Its becoming the same situation again exept in the league above and he is the manager.
Both Relegations would have and will be a disaster!
In 3 games time if nothing changes will he hold his hands up and admit he has got it totally wrong. Or is he waiting for his second devine intervention and hoping Godden again to some how save us!
In my oppinion Out!
It makes perfect sense that he 'bangs on' about the position when he took over because he took over a team 2 years ago that had to choose between AMB and Isted in goal, had Terell Thomas as one of its more consistent centre backs, Slobodan Tedic up front and Scott Fraser in midfield. Not counting youth products there are 5 players in that squad when Jones arrived who are still there now, one is third choice keeper and Ramsay feels like he was a Jones pick. It has been a complete and total overhaul where less than £1m was spent on transfers to get the team out of L1 and now we're seeing the effects of a lack of depth and top end quality in one of the hardest leagues in the world. It is nothing like the same situation this season as it was when he started, if anything we've done well to still be out of the relegation spots up to this point. It's not fun to watch and we're on a bad run but let's try and keep some perspective here. If we go down it won't have been completely unavoidable but it will be something that was likely to happen based on our spend compared to other teams and the speed with which we've gone from genuine L1 relegation candidates to Championship club.1 -
I understand having him on the bench for when we’re a goal behind late - if there’s one thing he can still contribute it’s finding small pockets to score late goals. He did it at Luton, he did it multiple times last year, he did it at Hull this season and almost again one other time (Middlesbrough maybe?).MarcusH26 said:
Berry is his favourite player in the world , he'd play 11 Luke Berry's if it was possible. Don't really see why he was on the bench last night when you could have had Apters pace and delivery as an option.IR94 said:He makes some proper weird and random choices, remember when out of nowhere Berry started 3/4 games in a row (was shit), now for some reason Anderson is starting despite being way out of his depth, same with his treatment of Apter and JRC both dropped after showing good form.
Starting him wasn’t the solution to our problems but I think there’s still value in him appearing off the bench.7 -
That you're aware of.cafcnick1992 said:If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.0 -
In your opinioncafcnick1992 said:If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.0 -
I do think the onus of finding better candidates should be on those tired of Nathan Jones.The Red Robin said:
That you're aware of.cafcnick1992 said:If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.0 -
not my job and it's such a tired response to anyone who dares to question him. But any half decent football club should have a succession list and plan.cafcnick1992 said:
I do think the onus of finding better candidates should be on those tired of Nathan Jones.The Red Robin said:
That you're aware of.cafcnick1992 said:If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.1 -
Oh come on, surely all of you would be excited to see Will Still attempt to wrangle our motley band of grafters into a pass and move machine
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I think if you're offering an opinion on who should manage the club it's valid to ask who you realistically would prefer. Of the mid season appointments in the bottomr half of the Championship only Clement can really be seen as working and he took a while to warm them up. WBA, Norwich & Boro all having to go abroad for coaches shows the lack of quality candidates in the UK and Oxford have gone for someone who was relegated last and then sacked for his poor performance in L1 this season. The context about who is available is incredibly important when discussing sacking someoneThe Red Robin said:
not my job and it's such a tired response to anyone who dares to question him. But any half decent football club should have a succession list and plan.cafcnick1992 said:
I do think the onus of finding better candidates should be on those tired of Nathan Jones.The Red Robin said:
That you're aware of.cafcnick1992 said:If we sacked Nathan Jones, the best available manager we could realistically get would be Nathan Jones.0
