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  • drawnablank
    drawnablank Posts: 794
    edited January 20
    Against all the negatives being thrown around, NJ made a brilliant decision at half time to put Fullah on in the free role. Possession shifted heavily into our favour, we penned them in and even when conceding to go 2-0 down, we got straight back to dictating the game!
    Bringing Coventry off just 5 mins after scoring completely took the wind from our sails! Incredibly bizarre decision!
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,805
    I’m not sure we can say he’s sticking on one formation after latterly in the second half when we ended up playing something like sweeper keeper, one at the back, 9 up front, yet we still couldn’t score. It didn’t run for us tonight. 

    I haven’t listened to NJ post match yet and I’m hoping he’s not still got the hump with the fans as that’s never a good approach. 
  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,729
    Think he’s earned the right to try and right the ship, so I think he needs to be given the entire season. 

    However, if he can’t have some self reflection and realize his tactics are dog shit, ultimately leading us to the drop, then we need to move on
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,739
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.

    The nature of a football fan nowadays, if the manager is s*** after three months then you need to sack him.
  • llama_child_21cws
    llama_child_21cws Posts: 93
    Jones IN. Jones IN. 
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,561
    AFKABartram said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    From the last 14 games played we have 2 wins. 3 draws, 9 defeats. Resulting in 9 points and a cup defeat. 3 of those points came from a team getting two men sent off. The only other win in the last two and a half months was a 1-0 home win v Oxford, the only game we’ve kept a clean sheet.

    We are showing huge relegation form with continuous signs of regression at a key point in the season. What we did in August to October are not an indicator of what to expect for Feb to April. We are not that team now, even if most of the personnel are the same. 
    All the teams around us, bar Norwich, are showing relegation form. That's why we're all at the bottom. 

    You can't just take a period of the season when we're struggling, extrapolate that out to the end of the season and conclude the manager has to go.


  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,398
    edited January 21
    I never said the manager has to go. I’m saying why everyone is so concerned. The first theee months of the season has given us a chance of staying up but it won’t be enough. A corner has to be turned to achieve that.

    You say all around us are showing relegation form. Every single one of the them have secured more points in those 13 games than we have. It’s not a random picked point of the season, it’s the most recent half of what we’ve played 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,204
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    Don’t Portsmouth have two games in hand on us?

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  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,108
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    You answered your concluding question in your first sentence.

    If you share the objective you stated in your first sentence , you should be raising concerns too as we are not on course to achieve that and if you are blindly looking at the league table at the minute rather then the direction of travel… well, I just hope the owners and Jones aren’t doing that.  
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,153
    edited January 21
    We have 19 games left to play and we need 18 points to get to 50.

    IF we get results as bad as the last 13 in the next 13, we will give ourselves a big task in the last few games to avoid the drop. It’s a possibility but I’m still pretty confident it won’t happen.

    What we’ll have to find out before the end of the season is if 2 wins in 13 is the real Charlton at this level or whether the poor results are just a longer period of underperformance, like the early season turned out to be overperformance.

    We only need 4-5 wins from the next 13 to stay on track for safety, with a month left where well might need another win or two. It’s not that big of an ask.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,108
    It's not that big of an ask, on paper and it's easy to look at and go, surely we can manage 5 or 6 wins out of 19 games. But what we're seeing in front of us doesn't tally up with that; we look desperately poor and right now it's really hard to see where 1 or 2 wins come from let alone 5 or 6... the 2 wins in the 13 were very unconvincing and actually it was going on before that... we nicked the West Brom game, were poor against Swansea and Hull, even Ipswich was a bit of freak second half having been played off the park first half.

    Really what we're seeing now is what we have been for most of this season, and we have next to no goal threat. 3 of our next 4 our scum, leic and saints away and on the face of it, it's hard to see much or any return from those so then there's enormous pressure to beat QPR at The Valley and based on recent form that is a very big ask in itself. If we get no wins from those 4 games, we will very likely be in the relegation zone in another month's time.

    We have to change something and take this by the scruff of the neck as at the moment it feels like we're huffing and puffing and letting relegation happen to us. Jones doesn't send his teams out to go out there and win games, he tries not to lose... he took it by the scruff of the neck second half of last season and played a bit more front foot but it feels like he's forgotten what got him success last season and needs to ask himself some questions and look for that formula again because especially without several key defensive cogs, we won't be able to scramble enough 0-0s to get us over the line
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,145
    Callumcafc said:


    Get the point, however from 2007-09 and 2012-16 we did stabilize in the Championship. I will give you since (15/16) the second relegation from the Championship, but we have stabilized (in the Championship) since the Premier League before.










  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,145
    edited January 21
    Rossman92 said:
    Think he’s earned the right to try and right the ship, so I think he needs to be given the entire season. 

    However, if he can’t have some self reflection and realize his tactics are dog shit, ultimately leading us to the drop, then we need to move on

    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.

    A fellow fan put it right: Unless we are a mid-table League One side (next season) it is Nathan Jones' job if he wants it. 

    That being said if there is a performance or result I am not happy with then I am going to call it out. Yesterday was end to end stuff (didn't deserve boos) and was a better performance than Saturday. Depends what you want: an ugly win and points on the board or a valiant effort and potentially loosing.

    We know what we get from Nathan Jones ball (had Stoke fans thrashing me and my friend on the way back this season about it) but this is why I wanted to keep this thread (this season) rather than opening a different thread about him.

    This thread should document the bad the ugly, but also highlight the good times too!!
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,145
    edited January 21
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.

    The nature of a football fan nowadays, if the manager is s*** after three months then you need to sack him.

    We Dont Do That Here - Meming Wiki

    When a manager has been good to us we let him stay.


  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,382
    Our recruitment in the summer was very poor, it’s going to cost us our place in the championship. That team last night was league one. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,790
    I don’t see how much longer we can put up with this negative approach. It may have worked in League One but it’ll never work in The Championship.

    “But who would replace him?”

    Don’t know, that’s not my job, but you can’t tell me this style of football and approach is the best possible solution. 

    We’re going down unless Nathan Jones drastically changes his philosophy. I can’t see that happening.
  • Carl_bratton
    Carl_bratton Posts: 81
    I was one that wanted him gone last December, he has earned the right to keep us here this season. Although his tactics, approach and team selections are becoming questionable, Rumours of unrest in the dressing room and poor performances are gonna make it a tough watch second half of the season 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,157
    Is there any unrest? Same thing was said last December and we turned it around. I think a poor run of results at a higher level is all it is. Team certainly giving it there all still. My one suggestion is I would prefer us to stop playing this wingback formation at times especially when we don't have wingbacks fit and available 

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  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 593

    Yes, we’re on a poor run. But I don’t believe there’s a better manager than Nathan Jones to take us through to the end of the season. The man is gloriously bonkers. OTT, needy, emotionally wired straight into the mains. His Achilles heel? Not exactly a champion at taking criticism. But give me that over the other League One Managers we had, also-rans, chancers and blokes who look like they’ve accidentally wandered into the dugout ....Michael Appleton (nightmare) Hands up, would you really want any of them back?

    Jones has been a breath of fresh air. Slightly unhinged, Passion pouring out of every pore, veins popping, eyes blazing, fist pumping, nail biting and you know what? I love it.

    Confession time: I missed only my second home game last night because I was at a comedy show in Soho. Ironically, I missed what sounds like a very different kind of comedy at The Valley (not). Football is a mad, crazy game. Most Addicks are probably already bracing themselves for the worst at The Den. And yes, odds are our hoodoo against Millwall continues… But it doesn’t always work like that, does it? Stranger things have happened, we might be in for another beating but then again we could sneak a win or a draw, I’m still looking forward to going. Still very much backing the gaffer ! COYA's 

  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,165
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    We also have one of the worst squads in the league which is natural as we have the second lowest wage budget. It’s not like a new manager just comes in and starts winning, just look at West Brom’s new manager.

    The football is bleak atm but I still think NJ is the best man for the job and can turn it around.

    He does need to take a look at himself for the recruitment. Signing injury prone defenders and not having depth in certain positions (cough cough LWB) is really fucking us over. The most creative player on the pitch, who can’t defend being stifled at LWB is just painful to watch. He is stubborn that’s for sure but he did turn it around last season, let’s hope he can do it again 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,929
    Ffs surely we don’t have people starting to call for his head again! Did people not learn from being made to look silly last season? I’m sure if the inevitable happens on Saturday there will be even more calls. We need to be getting behind the team not start turning on the bloke who’s got us here 

    Seen a lot of people saying Jones is stubborn and only has one system. We played at least 3 last night! Do these people even watch the games? 

    Truth is the squad we have suits the 3-5-2 best, so that is going to nearly always be plan A. If it doesn’t work like last night’s first half, Jones will often change things around 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,790
    I hope I’m made to look silly by May. 
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 2,058
    JustFloydRoad said:
    Callumcafc said:


    Get the point, however from 2007-09 and 2012-16 we did stabilize in the Championship. I will give you since (15/16) the second relegation from the Championship, but we have stabilized (in the Championship) since the Premier League before.










    I am not interested in stats. The only thing I want is points..

  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,929
    follett said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    We also have one of the worst squads in the league which is natural as we have the second lowest wage budget. It’s not like a new manager just comes in and starts winning, just look at West Brom’s new manager.

    The football is bleak atm but I still think NJ is the best man for the job and can turn it around.

    He does need to take a look at himself for the recruitment. Signing injury prone defenders and not having depth in certain positions (cough cough LWB) is really fucking us over. The most creative player on the pitch, who can’t defend being stifled at LWB is just painful to watch. He is stubborn that’s for sure but he did turn it around last season, let’s hope he can do it again 
    Exactly this. Another manager wouldn’t do any better with this squad of players 

    You can possibly blame recruitment but as a newly promoted team we had to shop the best of league 1 as our main market. Established championship players just won’t sign for the relegation favourites who have just come up 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,758
    The Red Robin said:
    I hope I’m made to look silly by May. 
    Not sure what Alfie’s going to do about it
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,790
    NabySarr said:
    follett said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Didn't we all agree that the mission this year was to stay up?

    We're 4 points clear of the relegation zone in 18th with a game in hand over the clubs immediately below us.

    I genuinely have no idea what people's expectations are anymore.
    We also have one of the worst squads in the league which is natural as we have the second lowest wage budget. It’s not like a new manager just comes in and starts winning, just look at West Brom’s new manager.

    The football is bleak atm but I still think NJ is the best man for the job and can turn it around.

    He does need to take a look at himself for the recruitment. Signing injury prone defenders and not having depth in certain positions (cough cough LWB) is really fucking us over. The most creative player on the pitch, who can’t defend being stifled at LWB is just painful to watch. He is stubborn that’s for sure but he did turn it around last season, let’s hope he can do it again 
    Exactly this. Another manager wouldn’t do any better with this squad of players 

    You can possibly blame recruitment but as a newly promoted team we had to shop the best of league 1 as our main market. Established championship players just won’t sign for the relegation favourites who have just come up 
    Why not?
  • EastTerrace
    EastTerrace Posts: 3,986
    He’s guessing at formations at the moment.
    Just as worryingly he seems to be falling out with a few players. The players do seem to work
    for him though even if they aren’t very good.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,489
    I think what’s made it tougher for us than any other year is that the other two promoted clubs were uncharacteristically minted. It means you are automatically trying to outdo 3 established championship clubs which adds to the challenge 

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