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Thierry Small - signed a 4 year deal with Preston (p36)

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  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,663
    Scoham said:
    SDAddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Gribbo said:
    NabySarr said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Thought appropriate to bump this on the evening that his £2m replacement departs on loan to Bolton.

    To repeat my post from Apter thread:

    We had a a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed, possibly the only player really in the entire squad, and Jones decided to release him and instead fork out a very substantial sum on a player who was well recognised as being none of the things which Jones wants; a wing back, defensively sound, strong or physical. 

    An unbelievable combination of decision making. 
    Jones didn’t decide to release him though? If we could have kept Small then we would have done 

    Small is also dividing opinion at Preston now after a strong start, he’s now on the bench most games. He’s not a consistently good championship player either 
    He doesn't seem a very intelligent player. He sometimes (too often?) keeps his head down with one thing in mind; run toward goal and get a shot off, regardless of who might be around him. Can be fantastic when it pays off, but it generally doesn't come to much. Having said that, I loved him playing for us lol
    That threat of pace created space for others though, and it could push the opposition back to defend against it, or let us get in behind if they pushed higher up. It got us attacking with a higher tempo which made us more dangerous going forward.

    Replace that with someone like Bree and you'll have a steadier more reliable player who makes fewer mistakes, but the whole team suffers when TC is our only attacking player with pace.

    As others have pointed out in the Fevrier thread, at least it shows Jones has recognised we need more pace and width. Apter was a threat going forward, but his game wasn't really about pace.
    Been trying to write this on various threads, but yes, Fevrier brings a pace similar to Small's that we've lacked this season. I don't know that Fevrier will start, or even that he'll come good, but I think he's the closest to a Small replacement we've had. You hit the nail on the head, Apter has a decent change of pace but he wasn't knock it and run type of pace. And we've missed that directness given how we play.
    The concern for me is if he's up to the Championship then why hasn't he started more often for Stockport.

    Hopefully he can make an impact just as Small and CBT did. Both came in with low expectations, but were good fits for us.
    I mean Small had failed at how many clubs before he came to us? CBT is another good example. We have a good record of unearthing gems. More mixed when we spend (limited) money. Sometimes it's about finding the right player for the right system, especially for a Jones team. That's what I'm really hoping from Fevrier, right place, right time, right system and team set up for him.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,047
    paulsturgess said:
    NabySarr said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Thought appropriate to bump this on the evening that his £2m replacement departs on loan to Bolton.

    To repeat my post from Apter thread:

    We had a a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed, possibly the only player really in the entire squad, and Jones decided to release him and instead fork out a very substantial sum on a player who was well recognised as being none of the things which Jones wants; a wing back, defensively sound, strong or physical. 

    An unbelievable combination of decision making. 
    Jones didn’t decide to release him though? If we could have kept Small then we would have done 

    Small is also dividing opinion at Preston now after a strong start, he’s now on the bench most games. He’s not a consistently good championship player either 
    2 points here:

    1) Small is a RWB. Better than any other RWB we've had at the club all season (*we haven't had a RWB at the club all season).

    2) He is also still only 21 years of age. 
    Although he’s not here anymore so it’s pretty irrelevant, and they are different types of player, but Bree is better than Small
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,355
    edited January 28
    Weegie Addick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Weegie Addick said:
    southamptonaddick said:
    paulsturgess said:
    NabySarr said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Thought appropriate to bump this on the evening that his £2m replacement departs on loan to Bolton.

    To repeat my post from Apter thread:

    We had a a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed, possibly the only player really in the entire squad, and Jones decided to release him and instead fork out a very substantial sum on a player who was well recognised as being none of the things which Jones wants; a wing back, defensively sound, strong or physical. 

    An unbelievable combination of decision making. 
    Jones didn’t decide to release him though? If we could have kept Small then we would have done 

    Small is also dividing opinion at Preston now after a strong start, he’s now on the bench most games. He’s not a consistently good championship player either 
    2 points here:

    1) Small is a RWB. Better than any other RWB we've had at the club all season (*we haven't had a RWB at the club all season).

    2) He is also still only 21 years of age. 
     3) He wanted to leave and and had already decided to do so long before the season ended. 
    Possibly a bit like the Dobson scenario though - where the club made it clear to the player that they were not prepared to pay what the player (and at least one other club) felt they were worth. 
    We were a L1 club at the time. If Preston offered Small a good wage and we could only offer something on the basis that we went up and even then it would likely still be less than an established Championship team then what can the club realistically do?
    In hindsight (wonderful thing!) probably not spend £2M on Apter! 
    That's entirely separate to how we handled the situation with Small prior to Apter's recruitment though. That only happened once we realised we had a hole in the line up to fill.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,442
    paulsturgess said:
    Thought appropriate to bump this on the evening that his £2m replacement departs on loan to Bolton.

    To repeat my post from Apter thread:

    We had a a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed, possibly the only player really in the entire squad, and Jones decided to release him and instead fork out a very substantial sum on a player who was well recognised as being none of the things which Jones wants; a wing back, defensively sound, strong or physical. 

    An unbelievable combination of decision making. 
    As with other times, youve mentioned this, you seemingly state it as a fact that Small was "released" and then spent big on someone else. 

    Presumably you have no idea if Small made his decision in January and once we were promoted continued with that agreement hed made months before. 

    In January, of course Preston would have offered a higher wage than us, they were/are an established championship side and we were in league one with no guarantee of play offs, let alone promotion. 

    No disagreement that we messed up the replacement, as Jones has never given Apter a chance, apart from August when he won POTM. But all the posting that we and Jones released Small isn't true.  
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,254
    edited January 29
    They wouldn’t be able to have done anything until one month before end of his contract. Why are you talking about January agreements ? 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,516
    MrOneLung said:
    They wouldn’t be able to have done anything until one month before end of his contract. Why are you talking about January agreements ? 
    Small was linked with Preston way before the end of last season. You are correct in that a player can't sign a pre-contract agreement until the last month of his deal but i think we'd all be pretty naive to think Preston hadn't put an offer to him via his agent. 
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,202
    MrOneLung said:
    They wouldn’t be able to have done anything until one month before end of his contract. Why are you talking about January agreements ? 
    Whilst back in the real world, it was pretty common knowledge the deal was done with Preston before winter was over.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,130
    NabySarr said:
    paulsturgess said:
    NabySarr said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Thought appropriate to bump this on the evening that his £2m replacement departs on loan to Bolton.

    To repeat my post from Apter thread:

    We had a a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed, possibly the only player really in the entire squad, and Jones decided to release him and instead fork out a very substantial sum on a player who was well recognised as being none of the things which Jones wants; a wing back, defensively sound, strong or physical. 

    An unbelievable combination of decision making. 
    Jones didn’t decide to release him though? If we could have kept Small then we would have done 

    Small is also dividing opinion at Preston now after a strong start, he’s now on the bench most games. He’s not a consistently good championship player either 
    2 points here:

    1) Small is a RWB. Better than any other RWB we've had at the club all season (*we haven't had a RWB at the club all season).

    2) He is also still only 21 years of age. 
    Although he’s not here anymore so it’s pretty irrelevant, and they are different types of player, but Bree is better than Small
    Another assertive “statement of fact” which isn’t fact and is at best subjective 

    small is a wing back and clearly much more appropriate for the role and position we needed him to play than Bree, who’s a solid right back but slow, very little skill or dynamism and clearly not a wing back

    Small is also 21 years of age 
  • kodfish
    kodfish Posts: 638
    I'm sure I read somewhere in an article about Small that Risdale had been in contact with him (or agent) since the cup game.
    I don't believe that he had any intention of signing a new contract. 
  • Michaelmon
    Michaelmon Posts: 311
    As if we're still talking about Thierry bloody Small...

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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 15,030
    I'm sure I saw a number of fans on twitter complaining about him recently for his lack of end product and tendency to run ito blind alleys.  

    We really need to learn to move on when a player leaves us
  • Ducktapeshoerepairs
    Ducktapeshoerepairs Posts: 1,035
    Small got an offer from Preston that was twice the wages that as we offered him, that’s why he went. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,899
    Swisdom said:
    I'm sure I saw a number of fans on twitter complaining about him recently for his lack of end product and tendency to run ito blind alleys.  

    We really need to learn to move on when a player leaves us
    But then again it's probably the kind of criticism you'd expect of a 21-year-old. 
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,130
    edited January 29
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Small got an offer from Preston that was twice the wages that as we offered him, that’s why he went. 
    Yes quite. We spent £2m on Apter rather than match the offer.

    i don’t think Small was god; however, he was a crucial part of what eventually made a tragically failing system last season become a spectacularly successful system last season… and he is a right wing back which neither James Bree or Rob Apter are.

    if we had tried to keep him and he still left, fine. But he moved to another club with one of the lowest budgets in the division. 

    And whilst Preston may complain from
    the play off race that his end product is erratic… we’re now in a position where we are signing a player to replace him who can’t get in the side of a team in the division below.

    Riddle me that move on brigade 
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,663
    Swisdom said:
    I'm sure I saw a number of fans on twitter complaining about him recently for his lack of end product and tendency to run ito blind alleys.  

    We really need to learn to move on when a player leaves us
    I agree with this, although I don't think we adequately replaced him. We tried to replace him with Rapter, who is a different style of a more jinky winger rather than a pace and direct winger. I think we've been missing some pace and directness in the side and damnit if I don't see that when I watch highlights of Fevrier. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,967
    paulsturgess said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Small got an offer from Preston that was twice the wages that as we offered him, that’s why he went. 
    Yes quite. We spent £2m on Apter rather than match the offer.

    i don’t think Small was god; however, he was a crucial part of what eventually made a tragically failing system last season become a spectacularly successful system last season… and he is a right wing back which neither James Bree or Rob Apter are.

    if we had tried to keep him and he still left, fine. But he moved to another club with one of the lowest budgets in the division. 

    And whilst Preston may complain from
    the play off race that his end product is erratic… we’re now in a position where we are signing a player to replace him who can’t get in the side of a team in the division below.

    Riddle me that move on brigade 
    And we couldn’t match it as we were in League 1, this continuing nonsense about Apters fee, and paying it to Small is just bollocks. Small made the decision to go a long time before Wembley 
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,130
    Rothko said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Small got an offer from Preston that was twice the wages that as we offered him, that’s why he went. 
    Yes quite. We spent £2m on Apter rather than match the offer.

    i don’t think Small was god; however, he was a crucial part of what eventually made a tragically failing system last season become a spectacularly successful system last season… and he is a right wing back which neither James Bree or Rob Apter are.

    if we had tried to keep him and he still left, fine. But he moved to another club with one of the lowest budgets in the division. 

    And whilst Preston may complain from
    the play off race that his end product is erratic… we’re now in a position where we are signing a player to replace him who can’t get in the side of a team in the division below.

    Riddle me that move on brigade 
    And we couldn’t match it as we were in League 1, this continuing nonsense about Apters fee, and paying it to Small is just bollocks. Small made the decision to go a long time before Wembley 
    Show me the evidence that your last sentence is fact and I’ll show you evidence that George Dobson made the decision to go Hungary in January but he didn’t end up there is fact

    keep trying to convince yourself I’m wrong 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,465
    paulsturgess said:
    Rothko said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
    Small got an offer from Preston that was twice the wages that as we offered him, that’s why he went. 
    Yes quite. We spent £2m on Apter rather than match the offer.

    i don’t think Small was god; however, he was a crucial part of what eventually made a tragically failing system last season become a spectacularly successful system last season… and he is a right wing back which neither James Bree or Rob Apter are.

    if we had tried to keep him and he still left, fine. But he moved to another club with one of the lowest budgets in the division. 

    And whilst Preston may complain from
    the play off race that his end product is erratic… we’re now in a position where we are signing a player to replace him who can’t get in the side of a team in the division below.

    Riddle me that move on brigade 
    And we couldn’t match it as we were in League 1, this continuing nonsense about Apters fee, and paying it to Small is just bollocks. Small made the decision to go a long time before Wembley 
    Show me the evidence that your last sentence is fact and I’ll show you evidence that George Dobson made the decision to go Hungary in January but he didn’t end up there is fact

    keep trying to convince yourself I’m wrong 
    I doubt any transfer negotiations on a message board can be proved as fact.
    But it was stated on CL as far back as last January that Small had agreed a move to Preston.
    There was no indication that this wasn't true and Small duly signed for Preston.

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