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Winter-January 2026 Transfer Window Rumours ...(Final Day p213)
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I'm fairly happy with the January dealings.
No, I don't understand letting Apter go, but we certainly look stronger and more balanced now.
The board put much needed money into the squad over the summer, even though we could argue that some signings haven't had the impact we would have hoped for. They deserve credit for that.
I'm to be convinced yet based on a very short spell on the pitch by Fevrier, but happy to be persuaded.
I'm more optimistic than I was 7 days ago for sure. My guess is that we may pick up a free agent soon too.7 -
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻20 -
Slightly surprised (well, I'm not) that people are assessing this transfer window already. Plenty of people were happy in the summer, myself included, and then it became clear £10m isn't much in this division and some players weren't as influential as we'd hoped. Others were more so. Can't really judge how well we've done until the players play a few games. We need 5 more wins. QPR should hopefully be the first given their away record and then the players we have brought in need to be good enough to get those remaining wins. Maybe Fevrier will be the change we need like Small was, Coady has already made a good start and it's possible Sichenje will be great. It's also possible they'll make no impact but we've got some players in to cover LWB, that will hopefully preserve Bell's hamstrings which is the most important thing and we have numbers to cover all but the worst injury crises. 5 more wins, we can assess the transfer window once those do or do not come13
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It would have been billed undoubtedly as a player we have been chasing for a long time and he's perfect for the way we play and he's hungry etc, despite it being at the very last minute. It reeked of desperation.AberystwythAddick said:I just can’t get my head around the potential Poveda signing. He hasn’t played since last February it just seems like it would’ve been a very odd bit of recruitment
Like I said before though, when the money has been spent, the players have been underwhelming so the powers that be are probably a bit reluctant to spend now, which is fair enough in this instance.2 -
Err? Chambers?sam3110 said:Kaminski, Mannion, Brooks
Ramsay, Clarke
Burke, Sichenje
Jones, Coady
Bell, Gillesphey
Edwards, Fevrier
Coventry, Docherty
Costello, Berry
Carey, Knibbs
Leaburn, Dykes
Godden, Kelman
Campbell
I make that 24 registered players, so we had room for 1 more, but if Knibbs and Edwards are out for the season and de-registered it could have been as many as 3 more1 -
Hear, hearelbiglad said:I am a bit disappointed with the final balance sheet as I think we need a couple of extra bodies to give us the best chance of safety. However, I think writing off the owners at this stage is premature. We’ve been a bit unlucky to come up with two teams who are willing to spend big, but that is not how most promoted clubs operate. From what I can tell, we haven't sold a player for more than £1m since Burstow. There are financial rules to comply with, and the owners have always said they are trying to build a foundation to make us a sustainable and sensibly run football club. I don't think that means a lack of ambition.
We are scorned lovers as Charlton fans; we've had so many bad owners that we are probably a little quick to react to certain behaviours. Most teams improve little by little and these owners have spent money improving the infrastructure of the club, they've backed the recruitment team in the transfer window, and as a result they've got the club in the best position it's been in for years. Recruitment is an inexact science; the ~£10m we spent in the Summer provides no guarantee that we will be in the championship again next year. If we spent double that, naturally the chances of survival are increased but the risk associated with failure is far greater.
The plan was never to come up and blow teams out the water; it was to be in a good position to stay up, but also in a position where a relegation wouldn't cripple us and set us back five years again. I think this is sensible rather than unambitious. We would all love to be further ahead in the journey and competing for the best talents in the league, but I think we need to exercise some patience.2 -
In summary we are stronger than we were at the start of the window. Another midfielder would have been the icing on the cake but, overall, I am pretty happy.
The championship is, as always, ridiculously tough and tight. If we win our game in hand we could be just 9 points from the playoffs and 9 points from the drop zone too. The Championship always delivers but the standard is higher than ever and so are the wages. We can't yet compete so we need to dig our heels in and do what we need to do to survive - if that's ugly then so be it.
Importantly we need to remember we were everyone's tip to go straight down as last placed team. Our budget suggests we should struggle and, because of this we will lose more than we win. We are doing that but there are 6 teams doing worse than we currently are and that's all that matters.
As for the window ;
Clarke looks shrewd and up for the fight. I ould hope we could offer a permanent deal if we stay up
Coady brings invaluable experience - we saw him talking continuously throughout the game vs Leicester. Someone that can raise our heads and inspire younger players is essential.
Chambers has looked decent so far and fans were foolish to disregard him. He could yet prove to be VERY important in tidying up the LWB slot and giving us a bit more impetus going forward
Dykes is certainly up for the fight and looks a decent, solid acquisition
Fevrier is a punt.
Sichenje is an unknown quantity but has the required physicality for this level and presumably has huge potential.
Karoy gets a lot of stick but he's still very young for this level and relatively inexperienced in first team colours so League one and regular football will do him the world of good. He'll be back next season. Hopefully this is like his "Scott Parker to Norwich" loan than made him the player he became
Mbick sticking around is probably just delaying the inevitable. We know we had offers on the table but we stood firm until we get an acceptable offer. I expect he will go BUT we will get a good fee and a sell-on. And we know Brighton know a thing or two about getting big money into their coffers. Mbick could very quickly make us a LOT of money and we need to remember, he may have pushed for a move too. Realistically it's not exactly uprooting his family and it's likely to change the course of him family's lives with the money they can offer him compared to us. That's just football sadly. Fair play to the owners for now taking the easy option at the first opportunity.
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I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻24 -
I agree if they stick with the same budget then it'll eventually catch up with us and see us relegated.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
However isn't their plan is to grow the budget over time, rather than permanently have a bottom 3 or so budget? There's also a good case for not increasing wages too quickly to avoid it causing problems in the squad.
The easy option to do that would have been to sell Mbick to get the money in now and not sign Sichenje this window.
Sooner than later I think we'll see a big sale or two and that'll support an increased wage budget and bigger fees being spent. We're just not that that point yet having not played a full season at this level. We have players who will be attracting interest from clubs at this level.
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I’m actually pleased we didn’t get Poveda.
He’s not even been training with the first team squad, has an individual training plan which suggests he’s bang out of shape let alone ready to play.
I don’t believe he was a backup to field.They don’t play the same position.
Overall I’m happy with our business, but could certainly have done with a backup in midfield for Carey.
6 points clear of the drop with a QPR side coming that don’t travel particularly well.
We need 15 pts from our remaining fixtures in which we still have to play Oxford and Portsmouth.12 -
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I think the trap is believing that what they did this time will be what they always intend to do, which is not necessarily the case. By all accounts, their aim for this season was survival, no more and no less. We can quibble about the way they've gone about it but SO FAR its working - we've not actually been in the relegation spots once. Its not entertaining or much fun but they've spent enough and got the results they wanted until this point.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Now the question then becomes if/when we do stay up what do they do next. If we assume that they are happy to just tread water indefinitely then you're right that history suggests that isn't sustainable forever. But it's also possible that once they've secured survival the next step is starting to build and spend accordingly to become an established Championship team long term.
The Wrexham and Birmingham model is throwing obscene money around to chase Premier League payouts as soon as possible - and if it works then they do very well out of it. But if they don't, it could go badly wrong pretty quickly.21 -
So what would you expect from these owners to demonstrate some sort of financial acceleration? Is £10m* (or so) in the summer on transfer fees and another £1.6m** on Sichenje not enough?Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
I don't know if we could - or indeed should - have used some sort of dodgy accounting trick so that we were in a position to spend more money on the first team, but I think it's really unfair after six months in the Champ - where we are currently 18th - to say "there's no ambition", when we simply aren't allowed to lose more than £40m*** over three seasons (an average of just over £13m a season).
Don't forget wage expenditure, too, which would probably have to double to be competitive. Plucking numbers a bit out out of thin air (and for ease of maths), if we had 20 players on 5k a week for 100k a week, x52 for 5.2m a year, doubling that would take us about in line with the average Championship wage. (Even if we were paying higher wages in L1 than the average, say 7k a week, you still need to find £3m a year.) I know this is illustrative rather than real life numbers - but it is still going to be part of what we need to think about.
Braz I want to make clear, I don't at all mean to frame this as an attack on you and you personally. I saw this comment and the fact 10 people had liked it at time of writing and wanted to address it (you just so happened to be the commenter). I just don't think this is so polarised and black-and-white as so many people across social media make it out to be. Some of it probably comes from your role as someone who creates content - where to get a hot take, quick view, generate a click and a reaction is to look at generating revenue - and that's fine, but it leads to inaccuracies, and a lack of nuance where nuance is demanded.
*all fees undisclosed but going by publicly available reporting
**again, undisclosed, going via currency conversion from reported fee
***looks like either £39m or £40.5m as apparently some sort of adjustment for inflation was made. Either way I'm not far off24 -
Agree with lots of that, but 'importantly we need to remember we were everyone's tip to go straight down as last placed team.' That's just not true. Most people had us just staying up by the skin of our teeth.Swisdom said:In summary we are stronger than we were at the start of the window. Another midfielder would have been the icing on the cake but, overall, I am pretty happy.
The championship is, as always, ridiculously tough and tight. If we win our game in hand we could be just 9 points from the playoffs and 9 points from the drop zone too. The Championship always delivers but the standard is higher than ever and so are the wages. We can't yet compete so we need to dig our heels in and do what we need to do to survive - if that's ugly then so be it.
Importantly we need to remember we were everyone's tip to go straight down as last placed team. Our budget suggests we should struggle and, because of this we will lose more than we win. We are doing that but there are 6 teams doing worse than we currently are and that's all that matters.
As for the window ;
Clarke looks shrewd and up for the fight. I ould hope we could offer a permanent deal if we stay up
Coady brings invaluable experience - we saw him talking continuously throughout the game vs Leicester. Someone that can raise our heads and inspire younger players is essential.
Chambers has looked decent so far and fans were foolish to disregard him. He could yet prove to be VERY important in tidying up the LWB slot and giving us a bit more impetus going forward
Dykes is certainly up for the fight and looks a decent, solid acquisition
Fevrier is a punt.
Sichenje is an unknown quantity but has the required physicality for this level and presumably has huge potential.
Karoy gets a lot of stick but he's still very young for this level and relatively inexperienced in first team colours so League one and regular football will do him the world of good. He'll be back next season. Hopefully this is like his "Scott Parker to Norwich" loan than made him the player he became
Mbick sticking around is probably just delaying the inevitable. We know we had offers on the table but we stood firm until we get an acceptable offer. I expect he will go BUT we will get a good fee and a sell-on. And we know Brighton know a thing or two about getting big money into their coffers. Mbick could very quickly make us a LOT of money and we need to remember, he may have pushed for a move too. Realistically it's not exactly uprooting his family and it's likely to change the course of him family's lives with the money they can offer him compared to us. That's just football sadly. Fair play to the owners for now taking the easy option at the first opportunity.3 -
NJ said once that he doesn't like loans, he doesn't want to develop other clubs players, wants to build for the future, etc.
And now most of our January signings are loans some people are saying WTF? But NJ did the same this time last year.
His reason? To save the transfer budget for the next summer window.
And after signing Collins, NJ has now said this was one of our intended summer signings brought forward.
Evidently these recent signings are sticking plaster, to just patch up the team sufficiently to get us through to the end of the season.
And to save the budget for the coming summer window, for the next intended stage of team rebuilding.
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What Nathan has addressed, more than anything, is leadership...
Coady, chirping in the ref's ear, cajoling players around him...
Doc back, and surely, by now, you realise that his best attribute is his leadership...
One of the things Collins said in his interview is, he considers himself a leader...
Against Millwall, when the excrement hit the air conditioning unit, everybody ran around like headless chickens. NJ has tried to address that by signing, or bringing back, leaders to the pitch.
I also think that we signed our 'no. 8' as you all call it, in the summer... Rankin-Costello... the problem is, a fitness test doesn't show if someone will be blowing out of their ar5e after 60 minutes...
As a manager, who prides himself in his team running as hard in the 90th as in the first, which got us so many late results last season, I'm pretty sure Nathan is disappointed in R-C's fitness levels. Let's not forget, he was a clear PotM only a few games ago...4 -
Unless you have hugely inflated revenues like Wrexham and Birmingham you can’t just start spending at huge levels. There are rules in place that stop that
You have to build up spending over time. That’s through increased revenues, every year we are here we are getting that £10m TV money and then we can also start to generate money through player sales. This is year 1 so we’ve done pretty much all we can do in terms of spending so far
I think we really need to be patient, these owners are ambitious and in my opinion are trying to follow the right plan. The execution has maybe been missed on recruitment slightly but overall it’s been good enough to have us in the championship and in a strong position to stay there so it can’t have been that bad20 -
Simple, plain way of looking at it.
Wrexham for example, pumping transfer fees and wages until the owners eventually leave and they will. If they dont get the promotion this year, I dont think they will for a long time then you start to lose money on big wages/ players stagnating.
Our model, spend within your means. Consolidate and if we stay up, we can then build on what we have and sustainably press on. That way if our owners leave, we will look as stable as a football club can!
But really, after all the shit we have had with other owners...I am more than happy with the ones we have now.15 -
I think there are different kinds of loans. A player like Chambers for example is unlikely to get into the Liverpool side tomorrow so could be a long term option if he works out. Especially as we are now in the Championship.7
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Yeah I think Jones only really likes loans where he thinks there’s a chance we can sign them at the end of it. Every loan he’s signed for us so far fits thatMuttleyCAFC said:I think there are different kinds of loans. A player like Chambers for example is unlikely to get into the Liverpool side tomorrow so could be a long term option if he works out. Especially as we are now in the Championship.1 -
I don't think Chambers does fit that bill but that's ok, sometimes it's about building relationships with clubs to get better and better players on loan. Hull have taken a lot of Liverpool players on loan recently and benefited well from it2
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To be fair to the owners would you let him spend much more money this season. Not exactly spent it wisely. Granted it's not a huge amount of money in todays terms but it's more then we have spent in years.Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
If we stay up and they pump in that sort of money each year (obviously wages will have to go up a bit each year) I think we can build into a pretty decent team as long as the money is spent on players that are actually going to play and improve us.
Apter 2.3m never got a chance
Knibbs 2.1m never got much of a chance
Tanto 1.75 never got a chance
Kelman 3.5 not really proved it yet and now down the pecking order
Costello 870k not been given a chance
Kaminski 1.1 only one who has played all the time.8 -
It appears it was Field or nothing?...Jones wanted more energy in midfield, our problem is also no creativity or pace. When we come up against a team moving the ball with pace I fear our midfield could struggle.Danny Addick said:But the issue is that Nathan said he wanted more energy in midfield, which we all agreed with, then when our loan target went elsewhere we had nothing. We could sign someone with money no doubt, but clearly that wasn’t an option.Let’s not pretend Field was the only player on planet earth that would have suited Nathan. Spend the money and keep us up3 -
Choosing to interpret the post as you want it.elbiglad said:
I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
I have said on and off here many times "I am happy to be a Championship side for the next 20-30 years" and I am being serious, as I don't expect us to ever strike gold like the likes of Wolves, Wrexham, Birmingham, Ipswich and have ridiculous transfer windows like them.
The problem is, I just don't think we will based on our wages offered etc. We have done the absolute bare minimum to be a competitive Championship side, it just hasn't blown me away, that's my view, can't be swayed otherwise. 👍🏻
Anyway I won't reply anymore on this subject, fingers crossed it's enough and I will be celebrating in a few months time.8 -
Do you not think that our player wages will increase quite a bit year on year? Would imagine that is definitely part of the progression plan but you can’t do it straight awayBraziliance said:
Choosing to interpret the post as you want it.elbiglad said:
I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Said on here many times "I am happy to be a Championship side for the next 20-30 years" and I am being serious. The problem is, I just don't think we will based on our wages offered etc. We have done the absolute bare minimum to be a competitive Championship side, it just hasn't blown me away, that's my view, can't be swayed otherwise. 👍🏻
Anyway I won't reply anymore on this subject, fingers crossed it's enough and I will be celebrating in a few months time.3 -
Your words: it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. My comment: I don't think aiming for sustainability means a lack of ambition.Braziliance said:
Choosing to interpret the post as you want it.elbiglad said:
I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
I have said on and off here many times "I am happy to be a Championship side for the next 20-30 years" and I am being serious, as I don't expect us to ever strike gold like the likes of Wolves, Wrexham, Birmingham, Ipswich and have ridiculous transfer windows like them.
The problem is, I just don't think we will based on our wages offered etc. We have done the absolute bare minimum to be a competitive Championship side, it just hasn't blown me away, that's my view, can't be swayed otherwise. 👍🏻
Anyway I won't reply anymore on this subject, fingers crossed it's enough and I will be celebrating in a few months time.
Everyone has their own view and the point of this forum is to give people a chance to voice those views. At some point you have to consider that maybe you aren't putting your message across in the way you intend it if a lot of people are misinterpreting it.13 -
Had pace and was decent on the ball. Limitations were more physicality and aerial. As a stop gap at LWB would be better than TC or Hernandezcrookester said:
I remember him having 2 mom performances and 2 absolute stinkers then dropping out of the squad entirely. He wasn't good enough at league one level, deffo not championship quality.gringo said:I see Tom Macintyre has just been released by Portsmouth. He's a left footed defender, who played 10 games for us under Nathan.... but once again I have no memory of him, was he any good? Could he solve any remaining worries on the left of defence as I believe we can still sign a player out of contract.0 -
But won't run up as high a tab in the canteen.Scoham said:
Dixon has about as much chance of playing for our first team this season as Roussillon did.sam3110 said:I wonder if we recalled Dixon because he can play in the 10 and national league loans don't have to be in the transfer window (and I believe don't count towards the "played for 2 clubs" quota?) so if we're in the shit for a number 10 in the next few weeks he's an emergency option on the bench, and can still go somewhere to play football if we don't need him?
It's not like I'm wanting/expecting him to play at all, but he's another body around at least1 -
I think we will need massive changes whether we stay in this division or not. For me the real question is whether NJ will stay the course and how the owners might react to the inevitable fallout that will happen if we do get relegated.thenewbie said:
I think the trap is believing that what they did this time will be what they always intend to do, which is not necessarily the case. By all accounts, their aim for this season was survival, no more and no less. We can quibble about the way they've gone about it but SO FAR its working - we've not actually been in the relegation spots once. Its not entertaining or much fun but they've spent enough and got the results they wanted until this point.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Now the question then becomes if/when we do stay up what do they do next. If we assume that they are happy to just tread water indefinitely then you're right that history suggests that isn't sustainable forever. But it's also possible that once they've secured survival the next step is starting to build and spend accordingly to become an established Championship team long term.
The Wrexham and Birmingham model is throwing obscene money around to chase Premier League payouts as soon as possible - and if it works then they do very well out of it. But if they don't, it could go badly wrong pretty quickly.
I think last summer’s transfer window was not that great, so how will the owners look at more investment given a few of our expensive signings have not worked out yet. Buying old timers from Luton has not entirely worked out either.
This window was OK, but as i have said all along, the midfield is weak with no real creativity or pace.
Will they trust NJ with another £10m + in the summer ?
I have no interest in the stupidity of other clubs, but can we stay and thrive in the Championship with NJ in charge?
I am 50:50 on that question, but it would be good to hear what others think.
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Under 21SteveACS said:
Err? Chambers?sam3110 said:Kaminski, Mannion, Brooks
Ramsay, Clarke
Burke, Sichenje
Jones, Coady
Bell, Gillesphey
Edwards, Fevrier
Coventry, Docherty
Costello, Berry
Carey, Knibbs
Leaburn, Dykes
Godden, Kelman
Campbell
I make that 24 registered players, so we had room for 1 more, but if Knibbs and Edwards are out for the season and de-registered it could have been as many as 3 more0 -
May yet pick up a free agent or 2.sam3110 said:Kaminski, Mannion, Brooks
Ramsay, Clarke
Burke, Sichenje
Jones, Coady
Bell, Gillesphey
Edwards, Fevrier
Coventry, Docherty
Costello, Berry
Carey, Knibbs
Leaburn, Dykes
Godden, Kelman
Campbell
I make that 24 registered players, so we had room for 1 more, but if Knibbs and Edwards are out for the season and de-registered it could have been as many as 3 more0
