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Eni Aluko v Ian Wright

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  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,629
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    Its always the most stupid who make the most noise, she talks loads but makes so little sense. 

    She has clearly been educated, in the same way the cast of the only way is Essex are all overly educated thickos 

    The lack of anything resembling self-awareness is hilarious. Imagine for a second the thunderous noise if those she had asked for feedback were not gracious and just.... nice to her and were honest instead 
    She has a first class honours degree in Law at Brunel University. So yes a real thicko.
    I've met plenty of people with honours degrees in law, business and finance who were as thick as pigshit. 
    David Lammy?
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,285
    Stig said:
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    Its always the most stupid who make the most noise, she talks loads but makes so little sense. 

    She has clearly been educated, in the same way the cast of the only way is Essex are all overly educated thickos 

    The lack of anything resembling self-awareness is hilarious. Imagine for a second the thunderous noise if those she had asked for feedback were not gracious and just.... nice to her and were honest instead 
    She has a first class honours degree in Law at Brunel University. So yes a real thicko.
    Educated thicko I said 

    Off the top of my head the most catastrophically stupid acts where I work have been committed by graduates. And I work with a lot of uneducated thick people as well as educated ones 


    Educated thicko, I have never heard that before. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms. There are many forms of intelligence. I have an IQ of 150 but I am no good at practical things like putting a flat pack from Ikea together. I worked as a Fund Manager. The people I worked with were largely from Oxford and Cambridge University’s Some of them had no aptitude for the job but that didn’t make them thick, just not suited to the job they were doing.
    I think Eni Aluko gets a lot of stick because she is an outspoken opinionated woman and some men don’t like that..As a closing parentheses can I say I don’t like the woman. I find her.surly with a chip on both shoulders.
    I think you answered your own question in the first three sentences. And no, that's not a cheap jibe. But there are, just as you say, many forms of intelligence. Some people have sufficient intelligence to get through a course, pass an exam and write a dissertation, but don't have the intelligence to apply anything they've learnt to the real world. Some people have certain skills that mask for a lack in other areas. For example, they may have be able to confidently use complex words and speech patterns even though the logic to make cogent arguments just isn't there. I think this group can often slip through the education system, even breeze through it, because no one has the time, energy or inclination to pick up on it; you know all the right words, you must know what you're talking about it. It's also the case that people with good educations tend to have more self-confidence than those that don't and are therefore better at self-promotion. They are also cut more slack by others, at least, up until the point there they are outed. So whilst 'educated thicko' may seem like a contradiction in terms, I think it is a very real phenomenon. 
    Boris Johnson is a prime example. Had the "right" accent, uses unusual words and puts in a few allusions or references to things which all only serves to disguise that a lot of what he actually said was nonsense. Just confidently and elaborately delivered nonsense.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 21,375
    thenewbie said:
    Stig said:
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    Its always the most stupid who make the most noise, she talks loads but makes so little sense. 

    She has clearly been educated, in the same way the cast of the only way is Essex are all overly educated thickos 

    The lack of anything resembling self-awareness is hilarious. Imagine for a second the thunderous noise if those she had asked for feedback were not gracious and just.... nice to her and were honest instead 
    She has a first class honours degree in Law at Brunel University. So yes a real thicko.
    Educated thicko I said 

    Off the top of my head the most catastrophically stupid acts where I work have been committed by graduates. And I work with a lot of uneducated thick people as well as educated ones 


    Educated thicko, I have never heard that before. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms. There are many forms of intelligence. I have an IQ of 150 but I am no good at practical things like putting a flat pack from Ikea together. I worked as a Fund Manager. The people I worked with were largely from Oxford and Cambridge University’s Some of them had no aptitude for the job but that didn’t make them thick, just not suited to the job they were doing.
    I think Eni Aluko gets a lot of stick because she is an outspoken opinionated woman and some men don’t like that..As a closing parentheses can I say I don’t like the woman. I find her.surly with a chip on both shoulders.
    I think you answered your own question in the first three sentences. And no, that's not a cheap jibe. But there are, just as you say, many forms of intelligence. Some people have sufficient intelligence to get through a course, pass an exam and write a dissertation, but don't have the intelligence to apply anything they've learnt to the real world. Some people have certain skills that mask for a lack in other areas. For example, they may have be able to confidently use complex words and speech patterns even though the logic to make cogent arguments just isn't there. I think this group can often slip through the education system, even breeze through it, because no one has the time, energy or inclination to pick up on it; you know all the right words, you must know what you're talking about it. It's also the case that people with good educations tend to have more self-confidence than those that don't and are therefore better at self-promotion. They are also cut more slack by others, at least, up until the point there they are outed. So whilst 'educated thicko' may seem like a contradiction in terms, I think it is a very real phenomenon. 
    Boris Johnson is a prime example. Had the "right" accent, uses unusual words and puts in a few allusions or references to things which all only serves to disguise that a lot of what he actually said was nonsense. Just confidently and elaborately delivered nonsense.

    Johnson is a prime example of affected behaviour - i.e. contrived in an attempt to impress/hoodwink other people. The bumbling fool, with the odd Latin phrase throw in, a man of the people but from a privileged background. All designed to make him likable but hiding (most of the time) what a nasty piece of work he really is. There are other notable people who use affected behaviour in a very similar way.

    However, Johnson is a very intelligent man.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,584
    raytreacy said:
    Carter said:
    Its always the most stupid who make the most noise, she talks loads but makes so little sense. 

    She has clearly been educated, in the same way the cast of the only way is Essex are all overly educated thickos 

    The lack of anything resembling self-awareness is hilarious. Imagine for a second the thunderous noise if those she had asked for feedback were not gracious and just.... nice to her and were honest instead 
    She has a first class honours degree in Law at Brunel University. So yes a real thicko.
    I've met plenty of people with honours degrees in law, business and finance who were as thick as pigshit. 
    David Lammy?
    No, I've never met David Lammy.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,959
    Love Motorhead
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,494
    raytreacy said:
    I she was a white woman would people have the same view of her? I am not playing the race card. Just interested in peoples honest opinion.
    Nope. I actually don't think she's the worse of the new batch of pundits that have entered the arena in recent years.
    I happen to think Clinton Morrison and Michael Dawson are equally terrible.
    Leave off, has nothing to do with race, she is a moron. Don't disagree that they are nearly as crap though
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,219
    Surely for ITV the logic of keeping Ian Wright as a / the main pundit is a commercial one in that it’s (currently) still more likely to attract more viewers by having a recognised male name. 

    People might not like it but the women’s game is still trying to establish itself as mainstream and using a male TV and football veteran (as he is now) is a way to do that. 

    It’s just business. 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,936
    edited February 11
    She should start posting on CL with her false logic.  :)
    She believes everything she says is fact, talks quite a bit of sense, but often comes up with the wrong conclusion.
    I beg she's got Google Gemini working of her phone microphone and giving prompts