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+++ Charlton complete Thomas Kaminski signing +++
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That is going to have absolutely no bearing at all on whether we stay up this season.Weegie Addick said:It’s a real worry that he’s been relegated the last two seasons. Doesn’t give confidence that he’s up for the scrap.
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The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.1 -
That isn't a like for like comparison though. We were one of the better teams in the division playing against L1 attackers, now we're one of the worst teams playing against attackers of a higher quality. The only time he's played against non L1 attacekrs for us was Chelsea and he did concede from the edge of the boxsuperclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.1 -
Hermann Hreidarsson was relegated 5 times in the premier league. I don't think anyone would've accused him of not being up for the scrap so not sure it's relevant.Weegie Addick said:It’s a real worry that he’s been relegated the last two seasons. Doesn’t give confidence that he’s up for the scrap.
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Is using the Chelsea game a like comparison then?fenaddick said:
That isn't a like for like comparison though. We were one of the better teams in the division playing against L1 attackers, now we're one of the worst teams playing against attackers of a higher quality. The only time he's played against non L1 attacekrs for us was Chelsea and he did concede from the edge of the boxsuperclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
I suggest you re-watch the Chelsea highlights to see the goals conceded and also the shots from distance that Mannion saved.1 -
No it isn't but it's the closest thing we have this season. I like Mannion but I wish he'd gone on loan to the top end of L1 to continue his development with consistent game time. Then he might be in a great position to challenge for the No 1 shirt next seasonsuperclive98 said:
Is using the Chelsea game a like comparison then?fenaddick said:
That isn't a like for like comparison though. We were one of the better teams in the division playing against L1 attackers, now we're one of the worst teams playing against attackers of a higher quality. The only time he's played against non L1 attacekrs for us was Chelsea and he did concede from the edge of the boxsuperclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
I suggest you re-watch the Chelsea highlights to see the goals conceded and also the shots from distance that Mannion saved.0 -
Or, as Kaminski clearly isn't good enough, we could play Mannion now to see if he's up to the job going forward into next season.fenaddick said:
No it isn't but it's the closest thing we have this season. I like Mannion but I wish he'd gone on loan to the top end of L1 to continue his development with consistent game time. Then he might be in a great position to challenge for the No 1 shirt next seasonsuperclive98 said:
Is using the Chelsea game a like comparison then?fenaddick said:
That isn't a like for like comparison though. We were one of the better teams in the division playing against L1 attackers, now we're one of the worst teams playing against attackers of a higher quality. The only time he's played against non L1 attacekrs for us was Chelsea and he did concede from the edge of the boxsuperclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
I suggest you re-watch the Chelsea highlights to see the goals conceded and also the shots from distance that Mannion saved.
If he shows after a few games that he isn't up to it then we put Kaminski back in and we then have a big decision to make in the summer.
Either way, Kaminski looks like he needs some time out at the very least.0 -
He wasn't a problem because we were a team winning games and going for promotion. Kaminski would absolutely not have been a problem either.superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
But Mannion was still prone to mistakes like the howler he made at Peterborough when they tore us apart.2 -
It's the world we live in where people only see the things that suit their own narrative.
No doubt he made a howler last night and has done similar in other games but I reckon you could go through most keepers and pick out whatever you wanted with enough games to look at.5 -
You can't possibly know if Kaminski would have been a problem in League One or not. I helieve he would have been.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He wasn't a problem because we were a team winning games and going for promotion. Kaminski would absolutely not have been a problem either.superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
But Mannion was still prone to mistakes like the howler he made at Peterborough when they tore us apart.
With regard to the Peterborough away game I assume that you are referring to the back pass from Ramsay, where he gave away an indirect free kick. Was that really a howler? Hardly letting the ball through his legs.0 -
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Not so sure. He had a release clause in his contract with us. His performances towards the end of that relegation season left a lot to be desired imo. And, of course, he got a nice little gig with Portsmouth....Talal said:
Hermann Hreidarsson was relegated 5 times in the premier league. I don't think anyone would've accused him of not being up for the scrap so not sure it's relevant.Weegie Addick said:It’s a real worry that he’s been relegated the last two seasons. Doesn’t give confidence that he’s up for the scrap.1 -
Here's a comparison of Mannion's per 90 stats last season and TK's this, remember that TK is playing against higher quality attackers. Their shot stopping is remarkably similar but Mannion's high claims and error stats are better
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You're right i can't, because he's never played at that low a level. He's played in multiple top divisions across Europe, almost 200 games in the Championship and even has an international cap. His floor has been the Championship, a level Mannion has never reached because he's spent his entire career in league one and non league. He wasn't even first choice keeper at Cambridge.superclive98 said:
You can't possibly know if Kaminski would have been a problem in League One or not. I helieve he would have been.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He wasn't a problem because we were a team winning games and going for promotion. Kaminski would absolutely not have been a problem either.superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
But Mannion was still prone to mistakes like the howler he made at Peterborough when they tore us apart.
With regard to the Peterborough away game I assume that you are referring to the back pass from Ramsay, where he gave away an indirect free kick. Was that really a howler? Hardly letting the ball through his legs.
For clarity i'm not against Jones giving Mannion a run if he thinks it's the best thing for the team but i'm not having it that Mannion is suddenly going to be our saviour. There's a reason he is nearly 28 with less than 60 league appearances to his name.3 -
This is my issue with him. The fact that there's even a discussion on whether or not he's a better keeper than Mannion when he cost us £1m, and is our highest earner, is ridiculous.Chunes said:I don't particularly rate Mannion, but feel like if we'd kept him as our #1 and spent Kaminski's reported £20k per week on a midfielder, we would probably be better off at this point.2 -
This - I remember during the last season (or two?) with us not thinking he was 'stealing a living' exactly, but certainly it seemed that he was not particularly bothered while on the pitch.cafcfan said:
Not so sure. He had a release clause in his contract with us. His performances towards the end of that relegation season left a lot to be desired imo. And, of course, he got a nice little gig with Portsmouth....Talal said:
Hermann Hreidarsson was relegated 5 times in the premier league. I don't think anyone would've accused him of not being up for the scrap so not sure it's relevant.Weegie Addick said:It’s a real worry that he’s been relegated the last two seasons. Doesn’t give confidence that he’s up for the scrap.0 -
Your issue is with what he's paid rather than his ability?Croydon said:
This is my issue with him. The fact that there's even a discussion on whether or not he's a better keeper than Mannion when he cost us £1m, and is our highest earner, is ridiculous.Chunes said:I don't particularly rate Mannion, but feel like if we'd kept him as our #1 and spent Kaminski's reported £20k per week on a midfielder, we would probably be better off at this point.3 -
Really dislike him. Throwing his hands in the air blaming others for his shocking mistake for the first goal. Happy to never see him in Charlton shirt again.1
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I've never said that Mannion is definitely better than Kaminski, I don't know.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You're right i can't, because he's never played at that low a level. He's played in multiple top divisions across Europe, almost 200 games in the Championship and even has an international cap. His floor has been the Championship, a level Mannion has never reached because he's spent his entire career in league one and non league. He wasn't even first choice keeper at Cambridge.superclive98 said:
You can't possibly know if Kaminski would have been a problem in League One or not. I helieve he would have been.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He wasn't a problem because we were a team winning games and going for promotion. Kaminski would absolutely not have been a problem either.superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.
But Mannion was still prone to mistakes like the howler he made at Peterborough when they tore us apart.
With regard to the Peterborough away game I assume that you are referring to the back pass from Ramsay, where he gave away an indirect free kick. Was that really a howler? Hardly letting the ball through his legs.
For clarity i'm not against Jones giving Mannion a run in the team if he thinks it's the best thing for the team but i'm not having it that Mannion is suddenly going to be our saviour. There's a reason he is nearly 28 with less than 60 league appearances to his name.
What I do know is that Kaminski isn't very good, irrespective of the level that he may have played at previously. I base my opinion on what I have seen with my own eyes. He has not filled me with confidence at any point this season, whereas last season, Mannion did. He deserves the chance because I don't think that he could possibly do worse.2 -
Kaminski top keeper in championship facts and figures back that up .. another fact is without Kaminski we would be bottom 3 and in the shite like Oxford … if anyone saw the first goal from
Behind the goal or behind the shot like video has done you can clearly see the ball moved in front of Kaminski and it was to late to react … more the error for the goal was our lack of challenging or blocking the person who had a free run across our back 5 before having time to hit the perfect shot through a group of players and low .. very difficult for keepers .6 -
superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.You'll always concede goals you shouldn't. Overall I think Kaminski has cost us more goals than he should have this season which has been disappointing, though he's also earned us points in some important games. I've always liked Mannion and felt that people were too harsh on him at the start - as we're seeing with Kaminski now - but I also think he's being massively overrated in his absence. He didn't come back into the team until 15th February when AMB got injured and by then we were well into our new look settled back 5 and were letting almost nothing through. It's worth noting that AMB kept 8 clean sheets in that period he played. Ashley Maynard-Brewer. That's how good the defence was. Mannion then went on to keep another 7 clean sheets and 3 in the Play-Offs but he didn't really have that many shots to save. He commanded his box very well, which is what was needed, but he was massively protected by a defence that included people like Kayne Ramsay making blocks that essentially removed Mannion from the equation. If you go back to the start of the season where we were less well set up though there were plenty of grumbles on here about his role. He was questioned for both of Reading's goals away, got done from range against Rotherham, got some grief for Albie Morgan's goal from the edge of the box against Blackpool, conceded two long range strikes at Bristol Rovers and was a bit flappy for their third, gave away a very funny pen against Stockport and tipped a long range strike to the feet of an attacker for Barnsley's first away. Even once he was back and we were good I don't think he covered himself in glory for Orient's long range goal, tipped a save to the feet of a Wigan player for their goal and watched one in from the edge of the box against Mansfield (well struck but I think we all know this thread would have sparked to life after it).And this was all at L1 level. I don't think any of the goals in there were howlers (though I've re-watched the penalty about 10 times because it's hilarious) but what you will see is a weakness to long shots and a bit of a tendency to make a save that doesn't get pushed far enough away so the rebound goes in. I think we'd all say that's the main issue people have with Kaminski as well. Mannion commands his box better, though Kaminski has been much better at that in recent games. We could swap the keeper but I really don't think those calling for Mannion to fix everything remember just how many long shots we were conceding off L1 midfielders before we sorted out the rest of our team. I think we'll see a similar sort of thing happening no matter which keeper we put in until we sort out the midfield allowing players to run through the middle and line up a shot. Once we stopped giving Mannion so many to deal with in L1 we conceded fewer and that will be the same this season, it's no surprise we kept 3 clean sheets in a row and then conceded 3 on the night Coady was basically non-existent.3 -
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I blame TC for the first goalRonnieMoore said:Kaminski top keeper in championship facts and figures back that up .. another fact is without Kaminski we would be bottom 3 and in the shite like Oxford … if anyone saw the first goal from
Behind the goal or behind the shot like video has done you can clearly see the ball moved in front of Kaminski and it was to late to react … more the error for the goal was our lack of challenging or blocking the person who had a free run across our back 5 before having time to hit the perfect shot through a group of players and low .. very difficult for keepers .1 -
No, my issue (which I thought was clear in relation to the post I quoted) was how much he's cost us for so little clear improvement. That fee and wage could have been much better utilised elsewhere in the squad.WSS said:
Your issue is with what he's paid rather than his ability?Croydon said:
This is my issue with him. The fact that there's even a discussion on whether or not he's a better keeper than Mannion when he cost us £1m, and is our highest earner, is ridiculous.Chunes said:I don't particularly rate Mannion, but feel like if we'd kept him as our #1 and spent Kaminski's reported £20k per week on a midfielder, we would probably be better off at this point.5 -
We'll never know if Mannion could be better unless we try him.Garrymanilow said:superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.You'll always concede goals you shouldn't. Overall I think Kaminski has cost us more goals than he should have this season which has been disappointing, though he's also earned us points in some important games. I've always liked Mannion and felt that people were too harsh on him at the start - as we're seeing with Kaminski now - but I also think he's being massively overrated in his absence. He didn't come back into the team until 15th February when AMB got injured and by then we were well into our new look settled back 5 and were letting almost nothing through. It's worth noting that AMB kept 8 clean sheets in that period he played. Ashley Maynard-Brewer. That's how good the defence was. Mannion then went on to keep another 7 clean sheets and 3 in the Play-Offs but he didn't really have that many shots to save. He commanded his box very well, which is what was needed, but he was massively protected by a defence that included people like Kayne Ramsay making blocks that essentially removed Mannion from the equation. If you go back to the start of the season where we were less well set up though there were plenty of grumbles on here about his role. He was questioned for both of Reading's goals away, got done from range against Rotherham, got some grief for Albie Morgan's goal from the edge of the box against Blackpool, conceded two long range strikes at Bristol Rovers and was a bit flappy for their third, gave away a very funny pen against Stockport and tipped a long range strike to the feet of an attacker for Barnsley's first away. Even once he was back and we were good I don't think he covered himself in glory for Orient's long range goal, tipped a save to the feet of a Wigan player for their goal and watched one in from the edge of the box against Mansfield (well struck but I think we all know this thread would have sparked to life after it).And this was all at L1 level. I don't think any of the goals in there were howlers (though I've re-watched the penalty about 10 times because it's hilarious) but what you will see is a weakness to long shots and a bit of a tendency to make a save that doesn't get pushed far enough away so the rebound goes in. I think we'd all say that's the main issue people have with Kaminski as well. Mannion commands his box better, though Kaminski has been much better at that in recent games. We could swap the keeper but I really don't think those calling for Mannion to fix everything remember just how many long shots we were conceding off L1 midfielders before we sorted out the rest of our team. I think we'll see a similar sort of thing happening no matter which keeper we put in until we sort out the midfield allowing players to run through the middle and line up a shot. Once we stopped giving Mannion so many to deal with in L1 we conceded fewer and that will be the same this season, it's no surprise we kept 3 clean sheets in a row and then conceded 3 on the night Coady was basically non-existent.
Would you be happy if Kaminski is still our first choice keeper next season?0 -
superclive98 said:
We'll never know if Mannion could be better unless we try him.Garrymanilow said:superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.You'll always concede goals you shouldn't. Overall I think Kaminski has cost us more goals than he should have this season which has been disappointing, though he's also earned us points in some important games. I've always liked Mannion and felt that people were too harsh on him at the start - as we're seeing with Kaminski now - but I also think he's being massively overrated in his absence. He didn't come back into the team until 15th February when AMB got injured and by then we were well into our new look settled back 5 and were letting almost nothing through. It's worth noting that AMB kept 8 clean sheets in that period he played. Ashley Maynard-Brewer. That's how good the defence was. Mannion then went on to keep another 7 clean sheets and 3 in the Play-Offs but he didn't really have that many shots to save. He commanded his box very well, which is what was needed, but he was massively protected by a defence that included people like Kayne Ramsay making blocks that essentially removed Mannion from the equation. If you go back to the start of the season where we were less well set up though there were plenty of grumbles on here about his role. He was questioned for both of Reading's goals away, got done from range against Rotherham, got some grief for Albie Morgan's goal from the edge of the box against Blackpool, conceded two long range strikes at Bristol Rovers and was a bit flappy for their third, gave away a very funny pen against Stockport and tipped a long range strike to the feet of an attacker for Barnsley's first away. Even once he was back and we were good I don't think he covered himself in glory for Orient's long range goal, tipped a save to the feet of a Wigan player for their goal and watched one in from the edge of the box against Mansfield (well struck but I think we all know this thread would have sparked to life after it).And this was all at L1 level. I don't think any of the goals in there were howlers (though I've re-watched the penalty about 10 times because it's hilarious) but what you will see is a weakness to long shots and a bit of a tendency to make a save that doesn't get pushed far enough away so the rebound goes in. I think we'd all say that's the main issue people have with Kaminski as well. Mannion commands his box better, though Kaminski has been much better at that in recent games. We could swap the keeper but I really don't think those calling for Mannion to fix everything remember just how many long shots we were conceding off L1 midfielders before we sorted out the rest of our team. I think we'll see a similar sort of thing happening no matter which keeper we put in until we sort out the midfield allowing players to run through the middle and line up a shot. Once we stopped giving Mannion so many to deal with in L1 we conceded fewer and that will be the same this season, it's no surprise we kept 3 clean sheets in a row and then conceded 3 on the night Coady was basically non-existent.
Would you be happy if Kaminski is still our first choice keeper next season?Kaminski was Blackburn Goalkeeper for three years at this level before joining LutonHe's had a tough first season with us, and probably needs a settled campaign without a third consecutive relegation damaging his confidence.I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm loath to get rid of players so quickly, we need a settled Charlton on and off the pitch for once3 -
It depends how the rest of the season plays out really. I expect keepers to make mistakes. I also expect new keepers to improve over time at a new club and more with a settled defence. I think when he's got Ramsay, Jones and Bell in front of him with two proper wingbacks he looks much calmer. He commands his box better and seems more confident. He also is very good at bailing us out with great one on one saves. The point he saved against QPR, still having us in the fight before Sheff Utd's players lost their minds, that's the kind of area where he excels. At the moment I think the criticism of him is a bit overblown but there's 14 games left. If he makes no more mistakes and we stay up then he's had a good season. If he makes 14 more mistakes then he's probably for the glue factory. I think it won't be either of those things and it needs to be closer to one end than the other but I wouldn't be devastated to have the keeper with (currently) 11 clean sheets in goal again next season at the momentsuperclive98 said:
We'll never know if Mannion could be better unless we try him.Garrymanilow said:superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.You'll always concede goals you shouldn't. Overall I think Kaminski has cost us more goals than he should have this season which has been disappointing, though he's also earned us points in some important games. I've always liked Mannion and felt that people were too harsh on him at the start - as we're seeing with Kaminski now - but I also think he's being massively overrated in his absence. He didn't come back into the team until 15th February when AMB got injured and by then we were well into our new look settled back 5 and were letting almost nothing through. It's worth noting that AMB kept 8 clean sheets in that period he played. Ashley Maynard-Brewer. That's how good the defence was. Mannion then went on to keep another 7 clean sheets and 3 in the Play-Offs but he didn't really have that many shots to save. He commanded his box very well, which is what was needed, but he was massively protected by a defence that included people like Kayne Ramsay making blocks that essentially removed Mannion from the equation. If you go back to the start of the season where we were less well set up though there were plenty of grumbles on here about his role. He was questioned for both of Reading's goals away, got done from range against Rotherham, got some grief for Albie Morgan's goal from the edge of the box against Blackpool, conceded two long range strikes at Bristol Rovers and was a bit flappy for their third, gave away a very funny pen against Stockport and tipped a long range strike to the feet of an attacker for Barnsley's first away. Even once he was back and we were good I don't think he covered himself in glory for Orient's long range goal, tipped a save to the feet of a Wigan player for their goal and watched one in from the edge of the box against Mansfield (well struck but I think we all know this thread would have sparked to life after it).And this was all at L1 level. I don't think any of the goals in there were howlers (though I've re-watched the penalty about 10 times because it's hilarious) but what you will see is a weakness to long shots and a bit of a tendency to make a save that doesn't get pushed far enough away so the rebound goes in. I think we'd all say that's the main issue people have with Kaminski as well. Mannion commands his box better, though Kaminski has been much better at that in recent games. We could swap the keeper but I really don't think those calling for Mannion to fix everything remember just how many long shots we were conceding off L1 midfielders before we sorted out the rest of our team. I think we'll see a similar sort of thing happening no matter which keeper we put in until we sort out the midfield allowing players to run through the middle and line up a shot. Once we stopped giving Mannion so many to deal with in L1 we conceded fewer and that will be the same this season, it's no surprise we kept 3 clean sheets in a row and then conceded 3 on the night Coady was basically non-existent.
Would you be happy if Kaminski is still our first choice keeper next season?2 -
He may have been a great keeper in the past. I don't know and I really don't care. It doesn't affect how he is playing now, which isn't good enough.ForeverAddickted said:superclive98 said:
We'll never know if Mannion could be better unless we try him.Garrymanilow said:superclive98 said:
The opportunity to see if that's the case would be nice.Garrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.
One thing that is sure is that if we stick with TK then we'll be conceding goals that we shouldn't.
I don't remember Mannion being a problem in the second half of last season.You'll always concede goals you shouldn't. Overall I think Kaminski has cost us more goals than he should have this season which has been disappointing, though he's also earned us points in some important games. I've always liked Mannion and felt that people were too harsh on him at the start - as we're seeing with Kaminski now - but I also think he's being massively overrated in his absence. He didn't come back into the team until 15th February when AMB got injured and by then we were well into our new look settled back 5 and were letting almost nothing through. It's worth noting that AMB kept 8 clean sheets in that period he played. Ashley Maynard-Brewer. That's how good the defence was. Mannion then went on to keep another 7 clean sheets and 3 in the Play-Offs but he didn't really have that many shots to save. He commanded his box very well, which is what was needed, but he was massively protected by a defence that included people like Kayne Ramsay making blocks that essentially removed Mannion from the equation. If you go back to the start of the season where we were less well set up though there were plenty of grumbles on here about his role. He was questioned for both of Reading's goals away, got done from range against Rotherham, got some grief for Albie Morgan's goal from the edge of the box against Blackpool, conceded two long range strikes at Bristol Rovers and was a bit flappy for their third, gave away a very funny pen against Stockport and tipped a long range strike to the feet of an attacker for Barnsley's first away. Even once he was back and we were good I don't think he covered himself in glory for Orient's long range goal, tipped a save to the feet of a Wigan player for their goal and watched one in from the edge of the box against Mansfield (well struck but I think we all know this thread would have sparked to life after it).And this was all at L1 level. I don't think any of the goals in there were howlers (though I've re-watched the penalty about 10 times because it's hilarious) but what you will see is a weakness to long shots and a bit of a tendency to make a save that doesn't get pushed far enough away so the rebound goes in. I think we'd all say that's the main issue people have with Kaminski as well. Mannion commands his box better, though Kaminski has been much better at that in recent games. We could swap the keeper but I really don't think those calling for Mannion to fix everything remember just how many long shots we were conceding off L1 midfielders before we sorted out the rest of our team. I think we'll see a similar sort of thing happening no matter which keeper we put in until we sort out the midfield allowing players to run through the middle and line up a shot. Once we stopped giving Mannion so many to deal with in L1 we conceded fewer and that will be the same this season, it's no surprise we kept 3 clean sheets in a row and then conceded 3 on the night Coady was basically non-existent.
Would you be happy if Kaminski is still our first choice keeper next season?Kaminski was Blackburn Goalkeeper for three years at this level before joining LutonHe's had a tough first season with us, and probably needs a settled campaign without a third consecutive relegation damaging his confidence.I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm loath to get rid of players so quickly, we need a settled Charlton on and off the pitch for once
I don't see that his performance is likely to suddenly improve next season. He's 33 and keepers don't tend to change their style of play.
I don't expect our goalkeeper to be like Gordon Banks (Donnarumma for those who are younger), I just want them to do the basics competently and save the shots that they should save and pull off the occasional great save. They also need to build an understanding with the defence.
Kaminski doesn't do the basics well and certainly doesn't have an understanding with the defence, even after 32 games.2 -
Were there decent odds in the markets for Kaminski getting nutmegged from outside the penalty box?
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For all the criticism of Kaminski, he has kept the most amount of clean sheets in the Championship this season.1
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Not bad for someone who can't even do the basics right.... (apparently)ElfsborgAddick said:For all the criticism of Kaminski, he has kept the most amount of clean sheets in the Championship this season.2 -
By some people's thinking you could be in goal and keep those clean sheets as it's all because of Lloyd Jones.ElfsborgAddick said:For all the criticism of Kaminski, he has kept the most amount of clean sheets in the Championship this season.1
