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POST-MATCH THREAD: Southampton v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 21st February 2026: KO 15:00
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You've really lost me on this one.NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...0 -
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...
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And the match momentum wouldn’t suggest otherwise.1
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It needs to be backed up with a win tomorrow. Anything other than that is unacceptable8
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It only works if your default measure for quality is attacking play though. There is a general bias, both here and in general football discourse, that defensive based football is of a lower quality than attacking or possession based football. It may not be as exciting or entertaining but defensive football requires a high level of planning, skill, focus, organisation and communication and isn't as simple as "we'll just sit back and let the have the ball". I think there's a near zero chance that a L1 team pulls out a defensive performance like that as regularly as we would and I think it massively denigrates the work and skill level required from our players and coaching staff to suggest it was like watching a L1 teamSporadicAddick said:
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...16 -
good to meet you too sir, hope your young lad enjoyed his day , the chocolate fingers made it !!Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Reading comments on here I discover I unknowingly stood next to @oohaahmortimer yesterday. Nice to meet you, sir. Fanny's chocolate fingers certainly did the trick!0 -
Spot on.fenaddick said:
It only works if your default measure for quality is attacking play though. There is a general bias, both here and in general football discourse, that defensive based football is of a lower quality than attacking or possession based football. It may not be as exciting or entertaining but defensive football requires a high level of planning, skill, focus, organisation and communication and isn't as simple as "we'll just sit back and let the have the ball". I think there's a near zero chance that a L1 team pulls out a defensive performance like that as regularly as we would and I think it massively denigrates the work and skill level required from our players and coaching staff to suggest it was like watching a L1 teamSporadicAddick said:
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...2 -
AberystwythAddick said:It needs to be backed up with a win tomorrow. Anything other than that is unacceptable
A point is a very good result for us and the one to aim for tomorrow. Keeps them at a distance, and if we can grab a couple of wins at home, and draw a chunk of our aways, that will do it.4 -
MOTM voting would suggest many people noticed itPeaksAndValleys said:Separately and maybe already said, but one of the best moments in the match yesterday was Sichenje flying out from defence to close down an attacker halfway in our half, absolutely crunched him when he tried to turn. Loved it
, was the moment Collins decided he'd had enough of him and he had to go. 1 -
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11 clean sheets doesn't happen by accident.fenaddick said:
It only works if your default measure for quality is attacking play though. There is a general bias, both here and in general football discourse, that defensive based football is of a lower quality than attacking or possession based football. It may not be as exciting or entertaining but defensive football requires a high level of planning, skill, focus, organisation and communication and isn't as simple as "we'll just sit back and let the have the ball". I think there's a near zero chance that a L1 team pulls out a defensive performance like that as regularly as we would and I think it massively denigrates the work and skill level required from our players and coaching staff to suggest it was like watching a L1 teamSporadicAddick said:
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...13 -
Collins would have won that MOTM vote if he had scored 3 o.g.'s, given away a penalty and got sent off.EugenesAxe said:
MOTM voting would suggest many people noticed itPeaksAndValleys said:Separately and maybe already said, but one of the best moments in the match yesterday was Sichenje flying out from defence to close down an attacker halfway in our half, absolutely crunched him when he tried to turn. Loved it , was the moment Collins decided he'd had enough of him and he had to go.14 -
I mean... At least he got involved had that been the case...CaptainRobbo said:
Collins would have won that MOTM vote if he had scored 3 o.g.'s, given away a penalty and got sent off.EugenesAxe said:
MOTM voting would suggest many people noticed itPeaksAndValleys said:Separately and maybe already said, but one of the best moments in the match yesterday was Sichenje flying out from defence to close down an attacker halfway in our half, absolutely crunched him when he tried to turn. Loved it , was the moment Collins decided he'd had enough of him and he had to go.0 -
was fairly close to two of those things...CaptainRobbo said:
Collins would have won that MOTM vote if he had scored 3 o.g.'s, given away a penalty and got sent off.EugenesAxe said:
MOTM voting would suggest many people noticed itPeaksAndValleys said:Separately and maybe already said, but one of the best moments in the match yesterday was Sichenje flying out from defence to close down an attacker halfway in our half, absolutely crunched him when he tried to turn. Loved it , was the moment Collins decided he'd had enough of him and he had to go.1 -
I'm not writing Kelman off based on this season he hasn't scored loads but has pulled the defence out of position a number of times.MillwallFan said:
Doucher, on the subject of recruitment, I heard recently that you paid similar for Kelman what we paid for Coburn?… roughly 3 to 3.5 million up front, climbing to 5 million with add ons?DOUCHER said:Good solid performance after tuesday's flop - pompey have clearly had a great window coz they ruined us tuesday night and seems like they did similar to smallwall so i cannot see them getting dragged back down - problem now is wba are one of the teams we r relying on to finish above - this season we haven't shown up for most of the 6 pointers so glad its away as think that will do the team a favour. Teams who battle and fight are our enemy - we can stifle the ballers but when we come up against teams that match our work rate and fight we struggle. We can grind our way to safety but are far from comfortable yet. Stay up and get Lloyd Jones signed up in the summer and make him the highest paid player at the club and captain. Bring somebody in in recruitment asap who knows what a footballer looks like and get what we can for tanto, kelman, knibbs and apter and completely overhaul the midfield and attack for next year - not sure our current set up recognize anything other than a good defender, which, to be fair, they have excelled at.
If he's not doing it next season though, he'll need to be moved on.0 -
I enjoy defensive football when it is done well. Basically the opposition have to really earn their goals. What we need is a plan for when we go behind and it was a positive we came back from behind on Saturday. The way we play, we can't afford defensive errors like Kaminski letting the ball through his legs. I expect WBA will come at us and we have to be strong and spoil that. They will be fragile so no early mistakes please.2
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Personal opinion re Kelman and the breakaway. I think it was drilled into him to come on, work hard at closing down, retain the ball and waste time if you can. So I don't blame him at 1 on 1 having the first thought to protect what we have, as no doubt NJ would have bollocked him had he tried to go and failed. That's the mentality drilled in, this season at least. So no way do I write him off, actual strikers are like hens teeth these days and Godden is 34 now, so a successor is needed.5
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Totally agree with this. Also think we were desperate for a bit of possession to calm things down at that point in the game, plus he was quite wide when he got the ball. You could almost see him think about driving and then reluctantly slow it down. Not at all sure it was the wrong thing to doMortimerwasgod said:Personal opinion re Kelman and the breakaway. I think it was drilled into him to come on, work hard at closing down, retain the ball and waste time if you can. So I don't blame him at 1 on 1 having the first thought to protect what we have, as no doubt NJ would have bollocked him had he tried to go and failed. That's the mentality drilled in, this season at least. So no way do I write him off, actual strikers are like hens teeth these days and Godden is 34 now, so a successor is needed.1 -
We should absolutely be aiming for 3 points against one of the worst teams in the league. If we’re not then what’s the point. We have maybe 3 more games where we are are on more or less an even playing field and then we get blown out the water by the rest. This is a must win. No excuses for any other resultDamoNorthStand said:AberystwythAddick said:It needs to be backed up with a win tomorrow. Anything other than that is unacceptable
A point is a very good result for us and the one to aim for tomorrow. Keeps them at a distance, and if we can grab a couple of wins at home, and draw a chunk of our aways, that will do it.2 -
This is a discussion for another thread but for once I agree with Damo here. The 3 points are more valuable to WBA than us and our primary aim should be ensuring they don’t get themAberystwythAddick said:
We should absolutely be aiming for 3 points against one of the worst teams in the league. If we’re not then what’s the point. We have maybe 3 more games where we are are on more or less an even playing field and then we get blown out the water by the rest. This is a must win. No excuses for any other resultDamoNorthStand said:AberystwythAddick said:It needs to be backed up with a win tomorrow. Anything other than that is unacceptable
A point is a very good result for us and the one to aim for tomorrow. Keeps them at a distance, and if we can grab a couple of wins at home, and draw a chunk of our aways, that will do it.5 -
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I think both Kelman and Apter are terrific prospects. They are in their first season and are having to adapt to different responsibilities within our system. It is wrong to write either of them off. From his comments, I dont think Jones has.8
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I think Kelman has adapted to the Championship better than all the rest that were playing in L1 last season, even Lloyd Jones who has been outstanding. He should have more goals but that’s not just down to him. Our game plan doesn’t seem to cover the attacking third. Jones clearly looks better but he hasn’t had to adapt, his natural game and approach fits all levels because it’s one that’s won firstly in the mind..ie, the ball is mine…he looks like he just expects to win it every time and therefore he does. After that tackle on Saturday by our new chap I suspect he too has the same ‘that ball is mine’ mindset 🤣MuttleyCAFC said:I think both Kelman and Apter are terrific prospects. They are in their first season and are having to adapt to different responsibilities within our system. It is wrong to write either of them off. From his comments, I dont think Jones has.0 -
Then run to the corner with the ball, furthest away from goaL, not almost stop and then pass sideways. I get what Nathan has drilled into the team and the punishment for disobediance, but it allowed Southampton to come right back at us when we had a adventageous position.Mortimerwasgod said:Personal opinion re Kelman and the breakaway. I think it was drilled into him to come on, work hard at closing down, retain the ball and waste time if you can. So I don't blame him at 1 on 1 having the first thought to protect what we have, as no doubt NJ would have bollocked him had he tried to go and failed. That's the mentality drilled in, this season at least. So no way do I write him off, actual strikers are like hens teeth these days and Godden is 34 now, so a successor is needed.2 -
Perhaps all correct (although I might argue that football, as a form of entertainment, absolutely should be measured by the entertainment on offer, and that is generally measured by attacking play - the crowd doesn't go wild when we execute another extended period of positional excellence whilst sitting deep and out of possession).fenaddick said:
It only works if your default measure for quality is attacking play though. There is a general bias, both here and in general football discourse, that defensive based football is of a lower quality than attacking or possession based football. It may not be as exciting or entertaining but defensive football requires a high level of planning, skill, focus, organisation and communication and isn't as simple as "we'll just sit back and let the have the ball". I think there's a near zero chance that a L1 team pulls out a defensive performance like that as regularly as we would and I think it massively denigrates the work and skill level required from our players and coaching staff to suggest it was like watching a L1 teamSporadicAddick said:
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...
However, the gulf in class, at a team and at individual level, was redolent of a top championship side versus a decent league 1 outfit, particularly given that our team is in very large parts league 1 quality. On Saturday I couldn't see any player on the pitch for Charlton that would get into Southampton's team.
And that's why I think it's a fair analogy.
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'blown out of the water' is a bit of an exaggeration of the likes of Swansea, Birmingham, Watford, Bristol City, all of whom we have already taken points off this season and did not look 'blown away' by them.AberystwythAddick said:
We should absolutely be aiming for 3 points against one of the worst teams in the league. If we’re not then what’s the point. We have maybe 3 more games where we are are on more or less an even playing field and then we get blown out the water by the rest. This is a must win. No excuses for any other resultDamoNorthStand said:AberystwythAddick said:It needs to be backed up with a win tomorrow. Anything other than that is unacceptable
A point is a very good result for us and the one to aim for tomorrow. Keeps them at a distance, and if we can grab a couple of wins at home, and draw a chunk of our aways, that will do it.
Agreed that WBA, Oxford, Sheff Wed are our best chances for the 3 wins we need to get to 50 points (with 1 random draw thrown in)2 -
But... what is the analogy? I think you're just slightly exaggerating the actual situation, I don't really see what you are getting at.SporadicAddick said:
Perhaps all correct (although I might argue that football, as a form of entertainment, absolutely should be measured by the entertainment on offer, and that is generally measured by attacking play - the crowd doesn't go wild when we execute another extended period of positional excellence whilst sitting deep and out of possession).fenaddick said:
It only works if your default measure for quality is attacking play though. There is a general bias, both here and in general football discourse, that defensive based football is of a lower quality than attacking or possession based football. It may not be as exciting or entertaining but defensive football requires a high level of planning, skill, focus, organisation and communication and isn't as simple as "we'll just sit back and let the have the ball". I think there's a near zero chance that a L1 team pulls out a defensive performance like that as regularly as we would and I think it massively denigrates the work and skill level required from our players and coaching staff to suggest it was like watching a L1 teamSporadicAddick said:
The same stuff as me probably - I think it’s quite a good analogy.Major said:
What on earth have you been smoking?NomadicAddick said:If you watched that game in complete isolation and somebody told you it was a team that were 8th in league1 and a team that were 5th in the championship - and were told it was a 5th round FA Cup tie I doubt you would be surprised...
However, the gulf in class, at a team and at individual level, was redolent of a top championship side versus a decent league 1 outfit, particularly given that our team is in very large parts league 1 quality. On Saturday I couldn't see any player on the pitch for Charlton that would get into Southampton's team.
And that's why I think it's a fair analogy.
They were a Premier League team last year and still have a lot of PL / top end Champ talent in their squad. We were in League One, but didn't storm it - finishing in the playoffs after a brilliant second half of the season. Their starting eleven cost more than 20 times ours did. So there's good reason why it looked like that and fair reason for us playing the way we did.
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He looked both a total liability and a unit. He is raw, but he shows he's trying and has a desire to get stuck in. I love nothing more than a player who makes the challenge and gets it right most of the time.CaptainRobbo said:
Collins would have won that MOTM vote if he had scored 3 o.g.'s, given away a penalty and got sent off.EugenesAxe said:
MOTM voting would suggest many people noticed itPeaksAndValleys said:Separately and maybe already said, but one of the best moments in the match yesterday was Sichenje flying out from defence to close down an attacker halfway in our half, absolutely crunched him when he tried to turn. Loved it , was the moment Collins decided he'd had enough of him and he had to go.
He might have the odd moment where his timing doesn't match his enthusiasm, but I like what I've seen. He can definitely become a fans favourite if he can work out how not to get sent off!0 -
SoundAsa£ said:Of passing interest, did you notice the superb condition of Southamptons pitch…..it was absolutely superb, like a putting green in fact.
Such a shame we always have to use a 2 or 3 iron or a pitching wedge instead of a putter.0 -
I don't know if it's been mentioned on the post-match thread and I've missed it but ...
We got a point wearing the charcoal kit!
If we can't celebrate that we might as well give up now.6 -
He’s not as bad as coburn - more potential as wellMillwallFan said:
Doucher, on the subject of recruitment, I heard recently that you paid similar for Kelman what we paid for Coburn?… roughly 3 to 3.5 million up front, climbing to 5 million with add ons?DOUCHER said:Good solid performance after tuesday's flop - pompey have clearly had a great window coz they ruined us tuesday night and seems like they did similar to smallwall so i cannot see them getting dragged back down - problem now is wba are one of the teams we r relying on to finish above - this season we haven't shown up for most of the 6 pointers so glad its away as think that will do the team a favour. Teams who battle and fight are our enemy - we can stifle the ballers but when we come up against teams that match our work rate and fight we struggle. We can grind our way to safety but are far from comfortable yet. Stay up and get Lloyd Jones signed up in the summer and make him the highest paid player at the club and captain. Bring somebody in in recruitment asap who knows what a footballer looks like and get what we can for tanto, kelman, knibbs and apter and completely overhaul the midfield and attack for next year - not sure our current set up recognize anything other than a good defender, which, to be fair, they have excelled at.0
