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New dugouts and other improvements
cafcfan
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https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
I guess the dugouts will be much larger and some supporters will have to give up their seats in that area.
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Our dugouts have been substandard right from when the stand was built. I knew they would need replacing if we went up to the Premier League now, but hadn't realised they would need replacing in the EFL as well.4
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Presumably 2 or 3 rows of seats in the dugout and no deckchairs alongside as now !
Surprised it’s a directive as I didn’t know think the existing set up is a practical problem but given the sheer number of staff/players these days not surprised we want to accommodate them better.
Next announcement will no doubt be who gets to sponsor the seats…2 -
Not just the size, it's the spacing from the halfway line, which isn't equal, the away dugout being further away.valleynick66 said:Presumably 2 or 3 rows of seats in the dugout and no deckchairs alongside as now !
Surprised it’s a directive as I didn’t know think the existing set up is a practical problem but given the sheer number of staff/players these days not surprised we want to accommodate them better.
Next announcement will no doubt be who gets to sponsor the seats…1 -
Of course, we've been here before. And I managed to find my original plan for the works which the club are more than welcome to use. (Of course things have moved on a bit since April 2017.)
Phase 1 Completed Summer 2017: Remove roofs from old dugouts. All coaching staff, medical staff and substitutes contract pneumonia during 2017/8 season sitting in the rain. Charlton relegated to League Two.
Phase 2 Completed Summer 2018: Overcome problem of staff sitting in the rain by removing seats. All coaching staff, medical staff and substitutes suffer from chronic venous hypertension. Charlton relegated to Vanarama National League.
Phase 3 Completed Summer 2019: Planning consent for new dugouts obtained from RBG. No longer any coaching staff (apart from Robinson) or medical staff and only three substitutes available; they sit on fold-up chairs. Charlton avoid relegation to National League South on last day of season.
Phase 4 Completed Summer 2020: New dugout drainage system installed. Robinson can now piss where he stands. Charlton relegated to National League South.
Phase 5 Completed Summer 2021: New dugouts built. Unfortunately builders misread plans and put them behind the goal in front of the Covered End. Robinson still on fold-up chair; 12-year-old substitutes double up as ballboys. This removes the need for them to warm up prior to entering the fray. #sweatingtheassets. Charlton play at Welling in the traditional first match of the season. This is a league game. Pre-season friendlies are too expensive. Charlton lose 5-1.
Phase 6 (Complex two-year phase) Completed Summer 2022: New dugouts purchased direct from Lego. Lego cannot deliver red bricks, only Millwall blue is available. Dugouts are therefore temporary.
Phase 7 Pending as at Summer 2023: Club cannot afford new red Lego bricks. At end of season club is relegated to Isthmian League Premier Division. KM tells RD that the team have reached the Premier League at last.
Phase 8 Completed Summer 2024: Thanks to a donation of £137.50 from longstanding fans, Sid and Doris Bonkers, the dugouts are completed. In a disaster of unprecedented proportions, Meire's four-year-old twins "play" with the Lego bricks while on a "Bring Your Daughter to Work" day. They convert the dugouts into a giant Lego burger
Robinson eats it by mistake, the dugouts are destroyed. Charlton's new star striker treads on an errant Lego brick and breaks his metatarsal. He's out for the season. Charlton relegated to the Isthmian League Division 1.
Return to Phase 1 and repeat........
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I understand a telescope is to be installed in the home dugout, to monitor the high balls flying over our midfield...
I may of made that up.9 -
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?1 -
We should swap the home and away dugouts around. I think its insane we give the away manager and his coaching staff the ear of the linesman on that side20
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I would guess that the dugouts would be right next to each other, rather then the away team one being nearer Greenwich then Charlton, and then you swap them over with the less hassleCarter said:We should swap the home and away dugouts around. I think its insane we give the away manager and his coaching staff the ear of the linesman on that side0 -
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?10 -
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced1 -
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Hope we don’t make the same mistake as we did with Chambers and manage to get our first choice dugout.
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At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles7 -
I think it is up to those being displaced to say how much they should be "up in arms" about this, rather than others (editted as wrong poster)sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
The club appear to have been proactive and giving plenty of notice so credit to them but we know that many people become very attached to their seats and the people they sit with.
I'd imagine that the changes for hospitality will be more keenly felt and opposed. The rationale for the dug out changes is clear but moving long term fans to better house the "prawn sandwich brigade" (which may or not be the case but may well stll be the perception) may not be taken lying down.
Change is needed and more income is required. The ongoing upgrades mentioned are long overdue so well done the current regime for picking up the slack left for too long by previous owners. But change is not always welcomed and needs to be handled carefully.13 -
Will the home dugout have a little bin attached for NJ's finger nail plasters?9
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We are improving our rented ground,Rolands Ground at no extra cost to him.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
Remember its not Charltons .5 -
If I rent a house and it needs decorating, do I not bother because its owned by another person?Lewis Coaches said:
We are improving our rented ground,Rolands Ground at no extra cost to him.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
Remember its not Charltons .6 -
Well said HenryHenry Irving said:
I think it is up to those being displaced to say how much they should be "up in arms" about this, rather than someone from the Advisory board deciding that for them.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
The club appear to have been proactive and giving plenty of notice so credit to them but we know that many people become very attached to their seats and the people they sit with.
I'd imagine that the changes for hospitality will be more keenly felt and opposed. The rationale for the dug out changes is clear but moving long term fans to better house the "prawn sandwich brigade" (which may or not be the case but may well stll be the perception) may not be taken lying down.
Change is needed and more income is required. The ongoing upgrades mentioned are long overdue so well done the current regime for picking up the slack left for too long by previous owners. But change is not always welcomed and needs to be handled carefully.
All things considered I hope this is a good move0 -
Think you might be getting your “Sam” posters confused here unless someone else from the Advisory Board has said this somewhere?Henry Irving said:
I think it is up to those being displaced to say how much they should be "up in arms" about this, rather than someone from the Advisory board deciding that for them.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
The club appear to have been proactive and giving plenty of notice so credit to them but we know that many people become very attached to their seats and the people they sit with.
I'd imagine that the changes for hospitality will be more keenly felt and opposed. The rationale for the dug out changes is clear but moving long term fans to better house the "prawn sandwich brigade" (which may or not be the case but may well stll be the perception) may not be taken lying down.
Change is needed and more income is required. The ongoing upgrades mentioned are long overdue so well done the current regime for picking up the slack left for too long by previous owners. But change is not always welcomed and needs to be handled carefully.
I do agree with the rest of your post though. Needs to be a balance and good comms around hospitality changes otherwise it just appears as a cash gra0 -
Everyone that wants a dugout will get a dugout21
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Beat me to it! Thanks Fenners!fenaddick said:
Think you might be getting your “Sam” posters confused here unless someone else from the Advisory Board has said this somewhere?Henry Irving said:
I think it is up to those being displaced to say how much they should be "up in arms" about this, rather than someone from the Advisory board deciding that for them.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
The club appear to have been proactive and giving plenty of notice so credit to them but we know that many people become very attached to their seats and the people they sit with.
I'd imagine that the changes for hospitality will be more keenly felt and opposed. The rationale for the dug out changes is clear but moving long term fans to better house the "prawn sandwich brigade" (which may or not be the case but may well stll be the perception) may not be taken lying down.
Change is needed and more income is required. The ongoing upgrades mentioned are long overdue so well done the current regime for picking up the slack left for too long by previous owners. But change is not always welcomed and needs to be handled carefully.
I do agree with the rest of your post though. Needs to be a balance and good comms around hospitality changes otherwise it just appears as a cash grabShame fans haven’t been told more about any changes to the Hospitality offerings but I presume that’ll be a big sell when season tickets go one sale.
be interesting to see if/how the seasons go, and whether we stick in a specific zone for players to sit behind the dugouts - similar to most new stadiums0 -
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In this instance the club have to comply with a standard it seems.So not really a matter for any board or group if they have proactively contacted impacted supporters.As to the boxes / corporate bit then again money will win. So no amount of liaison will change much if they have a scheme which they think will sell more posh seats.0
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The central Lower West is, like it or not, prime Prawn Sandwich seating area. I don't like ordinary supporters being kicked out for this, but I can understand the club wanting to make more money from hospitality, like every other club in the country.4
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That is normal commercial practise for stadiums, Surrey have paid tens of millions of pounds in the last twenty five years redeveloping the Oval, and it is owned by the Prince of Wales.Lewis Coaches said:
We are improving our rented ground,Rolands Ground at no extra cost to him.sam3110 said:
At the end of the day it's improving our home, "Displaced" is a very strong word for someone having to move a few feet, so no-one should be too up in arms about it. It's not like we're moving away fans into the West Stand or replacing the entire stand with a mixture of hot tubs, sofas and iron wrought park benches is it.shirty5 said:
These improvements also include the new hospitality in the West Stand, so those individuals would be more affected as wellCharlton and on said:
It's not that much of an inconvenience to move a few rows up in pretty empty blocks. They'll get a better view, if nothing else.shirty5 said:https://www.charltonafc.com/news/valley-set-further-summer-upgrades
So the ones that are getting displaced.
Will they be receiving a discount on next seasons ticket for the inconvenience caused?
It’s not just the individuals behind the new dugout areas who are being displaced
Hopefully the unannounced new changes will be increased spending on the concourses and a modernisation of the turnstiles
Remember its not Charltons .0 -
Would be good to see some mock ups of what the proposed improvements will look like.2
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I think they should have dual purpose dugouts. Dig out below the dugouts so that they can go up and down like a lift. That way during inclement weather the inhabitants will be nice and dry underground. Then again if the football becomes a little turgid they’ll also be able to disappear out of sight.I suppose that would be ok as long as the lift system worked. I’d hate our Nathan to be buried underground because then someone would have to dig him out0
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At what point do we sack Nathan Jones and appoint Art Garfunkel and Evel Knievel as joint managers?cafcfan said:
Phase 6 (Complex two-year phase) Completed Summer 2022: New dugouts purchased direct from Lego. Lego cannot deliver red bricks, only Millwall blue is available. Dugouts are therefore temporary.0 -
This is too much like a bus station, surely we will have the good sense to draw inspiration from a train station? Nothing else would be proper Charlton.fenlandaddick said:3 -
We could have both. If someone winds NJ up enough he'd probably rip them off.Crusty54 said:
The current position gets the ear of the 4th official.Carter said:We should swap the home and away dugouts around. I think its insane we give the away manager and his coaching staff the ear of the linesman on that side0
