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+++ Charlton complete Thomas Kaminski signing +++
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That’s a ridiculous take base on one match especially when he was out of position and should have stopped the goalcafc_se7 said:Mannion is better than Kaminski. Period!12 -
If Kaminski made that attempt at saving their first shot he would be getting pelters don’t think mannion should save it but the attempt was awful. Great at claiming crosses poor kicking. Too early to judge who is better think we get a good idea come end of the season0
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Both keepers are not good enough for the Championship.5
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Mannion wasn't great yesterday and didn't make a particularly decent attempt trying to save the goal. Hardly an upgrade on Kaminski...
Would prefer a new keeper...1 -
I think mannion could have done a lot better with the goal. Starting position looked too far to the wrong side and slow to move his feet. Shot was from a fairly central position.2
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I don’t think Mannion can actually see Rathbone because Coventry and Berry are blocking his view. The fact he was able to squeeze a shot past both of them is criminal15
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Is the correct answer.fenaddick said:I don’t think Mannion can actually see Rathbone because Coventry and Berry are blocking his view. The fact he was able to squeeze a shot past both of them is criminal
He had no chance with a low shot right in the corner hit through players blocking his view.
His take of a dangerous cross about 10 minutes from the end hit hard and swerving away from him was first class. Something Kaminski hasn't done all season.15 -
Completely agree. I find it laughable that Kaminski has been flapping at almost everything all season and Mannion is called into question over a goal that he genuinely could’ve done nothing aboutFortune 82nd Minute said:
Is the correct answer.fenaddick said:I don’t think Mannion can actually see Rathbone because Coventry and Berry are blocking his view. The fact he was able to squeeze a shot past both of them is criminal
He had no chance with a low shot right in the corner hit through players blocking his view.
His take of a dangerous cross about 10 minutes from the end hit hard and swerving away from him was first class. Something Kaminski hasn't done all season.7 -
The big pat on the back from Jones said a lot I thought. Was like, we've missed that.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Is the correct answer.fenaddick said:I don’t think Mannion can actually see Rathbone because Coventry and Berry are blocking his view. The fact he was able to squeeze a shot past both of them is criminal
He had no chance with a low shot right in the corner hit through players blocking his view.
His take of a dangerous cross about 10 minutes from the end hit hard and swerving away from him was first class. Something Kaminski hasn't done all season.9 -
I also thought that was tellingTalal said:
The big pat on the back from Jones said a lot I thought. Was like, we've missed that.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Is the correct answer.fenaddick said:I don’t think Mannion can actually see Rathbone because Coventry and Berry are blocking his view. The fact he was able to squeeze a shot past both of them is criminal
He had no chance with a low shot right in the corner hit through players blocking his view.
His take of a dangerous cross about 10 minutes from the end hit hard and swerving away from him was first class. Something Kaminski hasn't done all season.1 -
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The third goal went in of the post so yes it was perfect position , no keeper in the world would have got to that .. the first one moved considerably as it come through the defenders and TK had no chance to changeguinnessaddick said:Both of the Delvin’s goals weren’t in the top corners and I would expect a keeper to at least get a hand to both.5 -
Really …. If it was not for Kaminski we would be bottom 3 ….. Mannion unfortunately played two games and made two errors … Kaminsky would have saved the shot yesterdaycafc_se7 said:Mannion is better than Kaminski. Period!
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Ok Ron.RonnieMoore said:
The third goal went in of the post so yes it was perfect position , no keeper in the world would have got to that .. the first one moved considerably as it come through the defenders and TK had no chance to changeguinnessaddick said:Both of the Delvin’s goals weren’t in the top corners and I would expect a keeper to at least get a hand to both.0 -
Not really sure if TK would have reached the ball for the goal or not, but considering how the people around me in the lower North always criticise him for his distribution they were surprisingly quiet with how much worse Mannion's distribution was yesterday. Kept missing Dykes and a number of kicks went straight to Wrexham players in the first half which created dangerous situations.0
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Kaminski gets constant stick from a lot of our fans - Mannion hardly stood out yesterday. Seemed to have many of the same flaws as Kaminski but I have to admit at least his goalkicks got past the halfway line.Jdredsox said:Not really sure if TK would have reached the ball for the goal or not, but considering how the people around me in the lower North always criticise him for his distribution they were surprisingly quiet with how much worse Mannion's distribution was yesterday. Kept missing Dykes and a number of kicks went straight to Wrexham players in the first half which created dangerous situations.0 -
Kaminski cost 1M and is on 15-20k a week. Mannion cost nothing is on nothing and was part of a promotion team last season.One is always going to be treated much more critically and harshly regardless of the scenario.6
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The big high claim was impressive. There was a couple of moments during the match where Steve Brown pointed out centre backs heading ball to nowhere that they would’ve otherwise left alone had they got a strong call from their goalkeeper.
I think gaps in Mannion’s game may appear if he gets a run of games. I don’t know if Kaminski is the long term answer either.7 -
I prefer Mannion but even if Kaminski is the better goalkeeper , he’s not so much better that I’d have paid that much money for him .Crispywood said:Kaminski cost 1M and is on 15-20k a week. Mannion cost nothing is on nothing and was part of a promotion team last season.One is always going to be treated much more critically and harshly regardless of the scenario.2 -
There we have it. Mannion confirmed as the better keeper.RonnieMoore said:
Really …. If it was not for Kaminski we would be bottom 3 ….. Mannion unfortunately played two games and made two errors … Kaminsky would have saved the shot yesterdaycafc_se7 said:Mannion is better than Kaminski. Period!4 -
Think if an offer from a top spending L1 club (like Huddersfield) comes in we could see either go and then NJ/Chapple have an excuse to replace TK as no 1. I don’t think we’ll actively be shipping them out though because good keepers are hard to find and often expensiveCallumcafc said:The big high claim was impressive. There was a couple of moments during the match where Steve Brown pointed out centre backs heading ball to nowhere that they would’ve otherwise left alone had they got a strong call from their goalkeeper.
I think gaps in Mannion’s game may appear if he gets a run of games. I don’t know if Kaminski is the long term answer either.2 -
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I think this is completely fair. I wouldn't have GK on the shopping list for the summer as a priority but if the right offer came in for TK I'd consider it. Think Mannion will probably go just to get games and it'll be Brooks/AN other as the No2fenaddick said:
Think if an offer from a top spending L1 club (like Huddersfield) comes in we could see either go and then NJ/Chapple have an excuse to replace TK as no 1. I don’t think we’ll actively be shipping them out though because good keepers are hard to find and often expensiveCallumcafc said:The big high claim was impressive. There was a couple of moments during the match where Steve Brown pointed out centre backs heading ball to nowhere that they would’ve otherwise left alone had they got a strong call from their goalkeeper.
I think gaps in Mannion’s game may appear if he gets a run of games. I don’t know if Kaminski is the long term answer either.0 -
It took one game for Mannion to come back, concede a goal from outside the box and be (relatively harshly) criticised on here for itGarrymanilow said:
If you think Kaminski is bad at long shots you really won't like what happens when Mannion comes back in..superclive98 said:
Win, lose or draw he's shit.johnnybev1987 said:I've noticed, when we lose he always gets slated/ not good enough. When we win, he's been brilliant, call us fickle fans? also the fact he has quite a few clean sheets isn't just down to Jones.
He will have a good games and bad, i think for now he is the best we have, we need to cut him a little slack.
Yes, he makes saves, all goalkeepers do. The saves he makes tend to be when the attacker is close to him and the ball is near to his body.
He is dreadful with shots from distance and has been all season.
His command of the box is awful, even if he has shown minimal glimpses recently that he has finally realised that it is something that he needs to try to do.
I don't believe that the defence has any confidence in him and I can only assume that he is not a talker/shouter, as there appears to be no communication with his centre backs.
I've lost count of the number of times that him and Lloyd Jones appear to be arguing after something has gone wrong.
If he really is our highest paid player then that is ridiculous and shows a serious lack of judgement from Jones or Rodwell.
Mannion needs to come in now, as he cannot possibly do worse and deserves the chance after the way he finished last season.0 -
I'm not sure we'll see much of Kaminski for the rest of this season.0
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Agreed I prefer Kaminski and do think he’s a good keeper but is he worth the 1M we paid + 20k a week in wages no.wmcf123 said:
I prefer Mannion but even if Kaminski is the better goalkeeper , he’s not so much better that I’d have paid that much money for him .Crispywood said:Kaminski cost 1M and is on 15-20k a week. Mannion cost nothing is on nothing and was part of a promotion team last season.One is always going to be treated much more critically and harshly regardless of the scenario.2 -
I think it's harsh we don't even pay Mannion!Crispywood said:Kaminski cost 1M and is on 15-20k a week. Mannion cost nothing is on nothing and was part of a promotion team last season.One is always going to be treated much more critically and harshly regardless of the scenario.12 -
Kaminski has definitely been up and down this year. Goalkeepers always face intense scrutiny as their errors are obvious and, more often than not, directly lead to goals. Combine this with Kaminski's reported wage and our fanbase's insatiable appetite for a scapegoat, it is clear why the Portsmouth error was the tipping point for some.
Here's hoping Mannion can step up if TK is out for a while. He did well for us last year but he will definitely be busier than when he last played. With our style of play the remit is still: make good saves and kick the ball in an area so the strikers can challenge. Anything else is a bonus.
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I think if Lloyd Jones ankle gets worse and he comes out of the team you might be right - that’s why I think Mannion was in on Saturday because LJ may have come off early on - we don’t concede from corners and free kicks when Lloydd Jones is there - when he’s not, we concede chances and goals like at WBA - Mannion would help counter that.J BLOCK said:I'm not sure we'll see much of Kaminski for the rest of this season.1 -
Mannion was in Saturday because Kaminski has done his hamstring if it was tactical Kaminski would at least be on the bench.DOUCHER said:
I think if Lloyd Jones ankle gets worse and he comes out of the team you might be right - that’s why I think Mannion was in on Saturday because LJ may have come off early on - we don’t concede from corners and free kicks when Lloydd Jones is there - when he’s not, we concede chances and goals like at WBA - Mannion would help counter that.J BLOCK said:I'm not sure we'll see much of Kaminski for the rest of this season.It’s a nice thought but keepers are usually never changed based on tactical reasoning throughout a season. If they play well they keep their place if they’re poor they get dropped. We wouldn’t change a keeper based on the injury or potential injury of a cb2 -
Could be make or break for Mannion, if he can put together a string of good performances that gives Jones something to think about before summer, or possibly tempts someone into offering him a starting place elsewhere.J BLOCK said:I'm not sure we'll see much of Kaminski for the rest of this season.0 -
I thought Mannion’s kicking was poor on Saturday and a lot worse than Kaminski’s. Dykes struggled to win flick ons anyway but quite often the kick was no where near him.Don’t think there’s much between the two of them overall but I’d probably edge it in favour of Kaminski. Given what we’ve paid for him he should be much better than Mannion though
Ideal scenario for me would be a new keeper to be number 1 and Mannion remains number 2, with us getting some money for Kaminski. I doubt this will happen though and I’d predict Kaminski to still be number 1 next season and tbh I think there are other areas of the team that are more of a priority to improve so I’m not that mad about it1
