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Alex Mitchell - gone on a season long loan to Plymouth Argyle (p11)

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  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 5,017
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,133
    edited April 28
    Sounds like he’s done well for Plymouth by all accounts.

    But I’m seeing far too many people suggesting he has a future here. Maybe he does and I’m the one who’s wrong but he’s just a worse version of Lloyd Jones. Yeah he’s younger but we can’t hang on to him just in case.

    He seems like a top bloke but I do wonder if that’s tainting some opinions of him, people hoping he gets a chance and takes it against the odds because he’d be a good laugh over a pint, rather than looking at the relative situations of our club and his career ambitions objectively.

    He left Millwall because they kept loaning him out. There’s no realistic chance he gets first team football here next year so we should also do the decent thing and let him go on a permanent to a team who will give him minutes.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,044
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 11,164
    Sounds like he’s done well for Plymouth by all accounts.

    But I’m seeing far too many people suggesting he has a future here. Maybe he does and I’m the one who’s wrong but he’s just a worse version of Lloyd Jones. Yeah he’s younger but we can’t hang on to him just in case.

    He seems like a top bloke but I do wonder if that’s tainting some opinions of him, people hoping he gets a chance and takes it against the odds because he’d be a good laugh over a pint, rather than looking at the relative situations of our club and his career ambitions objectively.

    He left Millwall because they kept loaning him out. There’s no realistic chance he gets first team football here next year so we should also do the decent thing and let him go on a permanent to a team who will give him minutes.
    I guess Lloyd Jones was a worse version of Lloyd Jones at that age as well. 

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,408
    Sounds like he’s done well for Plymouth by all accounts.

    But I’m seeing far too many people suggesting he has a future here. Maybe he does and I’m the one who’s wrong but he’s just a worse version of Lloyd Jones. Yeah he’s younger but we can’t hang on to him just in case.

    He seems like a top bloke but I do wonder if that’s tainting some opinions of him, people hoping he gets a chance and takes it against the odds because he’d be a good laugh over a pint, rather than looking at the relative situations of our club and his career ambitions objectively.

    He left Millwall because they kept loaning him out. There’s no realistic chance he gets first team football here next year so we should also do the decent thing and let him go on a permanent to a team who will give him minutes.
    I guess Lloyd Jones was a worse version of Lloyd Jones at that age as well. 

    True but we can’t hold on to Mitchell until he’s 28 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,736
    Think we'll have most of the top of League 1 trying to sign him in the summer. Probably one of those players that just falls between the gap of top end L1 player and " can handle the champ"


  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 11,164
    fenaddick said:
    Sounds like he’s done well for Plymouth by all accounts.

    But I’m seeing far too many people suggesting he has a future here. Maybe he does and I’m the one who’s wrong but he’s just a worse version of Lloyd Jones. Yeah he’s younger but we can’t hang on to him just in case.

    He seems like a top bloke but I do wonder if that’s tainting some opinions of him, people hoping he gets a chance and takes it against the odds because he’d be a good laugh over a pint, rather than looking at the relative situations of our club and his career ambitions objectively.

    He left Millwall because they kept loaning him out. There’s no realistic chance he gets first team football here next year so we should also do the decent thing and let him go on a permanent to a team who will give him minutes.
    I guess Lloyd Jones was a worse version of Lloyd Jones at that age as well. 

    True but we can’t hold on to Mitchell until he’s 28 
    I’m not saying we should. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,460
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    But not as good as Jones, Bell or Sichenje. Ideally we're looking for players who could realistically break into the first eleven and stay there, and Mitchell is not that.
  • Sounds like he’s done well for Plymouth by all accounts.

    But I’m seeing far too many people suggesting he has a future here. Maybe he does and I’m the one who’s wrong but he’s just a worse version of Lloyd Jones. Yeah he’s younger but we can’t hang on to him just in case.

    He seems like a top bloke but I do wonder if that’s tainting some opinions of him, people hoping he gets a chance and takes it against the odds because he’d be a good laugh over a pint, rather than looking at the relative situations of our club and his career ambitions objectively.

    He left Millwall because they kept loaning him out. There’s no realistic chance he gets first team football here next year so we should also do the decent thing and let him go on a permanent to a team who will give him minutes.
    I guess Lloyd Jones was a worse version of Lloyd Jones at that age as well. 


    I don't think we keep him, but we do need back up to Lloyd Jones and I would prefer him to Burke who would be injured when needed.
  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,684
    Seems like a nice lad, but personally he is far too slow in my opinion. Gets done with the ball over the top and would get ripped to shreds by decent players in the champ.

    May get better with age, but won’t get any faster. 

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  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,229
    I see it as either of the Mitchells will leave this summer. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 38,817
    I doubt he wants to stay as back up or go on loan again and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Let him go, get a decent fee and include a sell on clause. At his age it only makes sense to offer him a new deal if he’s going to be part of our first team.

    He might get to the Championship in time but any CB we bring in should be a player we’re confident will do well in the Championship, not someone who might do a decent job as back up.

    We want to improve in possession and our attacking play, any CBs we sign should also be quicker and better on the ball. Sichenje shows there are players like that out there who are happy to sign for us.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,539
    Skipping past the fact he won’t want to stay, I think he’d be ok in the championship for a team defending deep and not having much of the ball. We have been that team a lot this season but that’s not our long term plan so Mitchell shouldn’t be part of it 
  • As I posted elsewhere, there was a big bit in last Sunday's Football League Paper in which the Plymouth manager said that he wants to sign him permanently. 

    Interestingly he also says there is going to be a lot of interest in Mitchell from other clubs and he doesn't know what Charlton's plans for him are.

    Sounds like a small potential profit here?
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,964
    As I posted elsewhere, there was a big bit in last Sunday's Football League Paper in which the Plymouth manager said that he wants to sign him permanently. 

    Interestingly he also says there is going to be a lot of interest in Mitchell from other clubs and he doesn't know what Charlton's plans for him are.

    Sounds like a small potential profit here?
    Considering we signed him when the market was less inflated, and since then he has an extra 2 years of experience, a L1 promotion on his CV and a 2nd Place POTY at Plymouth I’d very surprised if we don’t make a profit.

    think 500k would be a fair price all round
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,449
    Having seen him play a fair few times for Plymouth, I wouldn't feel confident with him in the Championship, he's been used as a bit of a battering ram by Argyle, but I don't think he would be as effective against better keepers and stronger quicker defenders; he would get absolutely done by a good midfield and forwards as he's not the quickest of thinkers.
    Argyle should buy him as he 's found his place here.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,408
    Just need to see what happens when Gillesphey gets turned to see what might happen with Mitchell. He's less prone to lapses in focus but he is still an unsubtly physical player and Championship forwards know how to make the most of that
  • elbiglad
    elbiglad Posts: 240
    Seems like a nice guy, but I don't see how he improves us next year. Jones didn't trust him in L1. Seems like his value is pretty high at the moment, I'd cash in now.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,964
    edited April 28
    Perfect in L1 with 90% of teams playing direct and putting long balls and crosses in the sky for him to head it but stand him 1 on 1 with the ball at feet or go at him with pace at championship level and I’d worry 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,763
    If he wasn’t already our player I’m not sure we’d really want to sign him, therefore moving him on (and sounds like there will be a market for him) is the best thing. 

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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 23,045
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    Fitter than Burke, yes, but better?! If he was, we wouldn't have shipped him out.

    Also plays a different side to Gillesphey so can't compare them really 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,903
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    Fitter than Burke, yes, but better?! If he was, we wouldn't have shipped him out.

    Also plays a different side to Gillesphey so can't compare them really 
    My Nan is fitter than Burke and she passed away 3 years ago.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,460
    se9addick said:
    If he wasn’t already our player I’m not sure we’d really want to sign him, therefore moving him on (and sounds like there will be a market for him) is the best thing. 

    Funnily enough Mitchell would be exactly the kind of player we signed last season. Decent character, good bloke coming off a decent season in L1 and would be open to stepping up to the Championship... but probably not good enough to make it long term.


  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,539
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    Fitter than Burke, yes, but better?! If he was, we wouldn't have shipped him out.

    Also plays a different side to Gillesphey so can't compare them really 
    Gillesphey was also better than Mitchell last season
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,903
    Keenan Gough barely put a foot wrong when called upon this season and is still only 20.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,229
    In reality if we let A Mitchell go we would need to sign 3/4 CB if we insist on 3 at back -

    Jones (obviously stays)
    Macca (will more than likely not be here)
    Burke (Good cant be relied upon in terms of fitness)
    A Mitchell (Proven at L1 level and still young)
    Z Mitchell (decent youth pedigree but barring a 3 month spell at St Johnstone has flated to deceive at senior level. Certainly not seen enough to show he can be relied on next year at Championship level)
    Ramsey (Good option but probably better RWB in championship)
    Gough (solid prospect, definetly agead of our other young defenders)
    Collins (Jury is out looks decent but struggled with injuries since being here)
    Bell (See Burke)

    From my counting thats on 2 CBs who can actually be relied upon to be fit.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,539
    In reality if we let A Mitchell go we would need to sign 3/4 CB if we insist on 3 at back -

    Jones (obviously stays)
    Macca (will more than likely not be here)
    Burke (Good cant be relied upon in terms of fitness)
    A Mitchell (Proven at L1 level and still young)
    Z Mitchell (decent youth pedigree but barring a 3 month spell at St Johnstone has flated to deceive at senior level. Certainly not seen enough to show he can be relied on next year at Championship level)
    Ramsey (Good option but probably better RWB in championship)
    Gough (solid prospect, definetly agead of our other young defenders)
    Collins (Jury is out looks decent but struggled with injuries since being here)
    Bell (See Burke)

    From my counting thats on 2 CBs who can actually be relied upon to be fit.
    RCB we will have Ramsay and Sichenje

    CB we will have Jones and Burke 

    LCB we will have Bell 

    If we move Gillesphey on we still have 5 senior options next season (plus Gough might be kept around). We’d need to sign a LCB to replace Gillesphey that hopefully would also be comfortable playing in the middle as extra cover. Sichenje has also already played in the middle. Burke can’t be relied on but he’s going nowhere unfortunately 

    Those 5 plus 1 extra are absolutely fine, and already a good upgrade on what we’ve had this season with Sichenje and a new signing being added. And our back 3 was the least of our problems this season 

    Ramsay is definitely more of a RCB in a back 3 than he is a wing back. That’s become very obvious over the last 2 years and if we want to be a better attacking side, moving Ramsay to wing back is not the way to go about it 

    We might also have wing back signings that can play outside CB.  We already have Edwards but we could have Clarke or Bree or other new signings comfortable there

    There is absolutely no chance we will be signing 3/4 new centre backs for next season even if we lose Mitchell. Only reason we’d see more than 1 or 2 added is if Ramsay leaves as well 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,155
    edited April 28
    NabySarr said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    Fitter than Burke, yes, but better?! If he was, we wouldn't have shipped him out.

    Also plays a different side to Gillesphey so can't compare them really 
    Gillesphey was also better than Mitchell last season
    When our form upturned, Gillesphey was bloody fantastic for us last season. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,044
    thenewbie said:
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  
    But not as good as Jones, Bell or Sichenje. Ideally we're looking for players who could realistically break into the first eleven and stay there, and Mitchell is not that.
    Not as talented as Sichenje but we’ve seen a very small number of minutes ; times where he’s looked brilliant and others where he hasn’t .  Let’s see how he goes next season.  I’m bit saying I think Mitchell should be in our first team but I’d be certainly moving Gillesphey and Burke on this summer 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,848
    edited April 29
    wmcf123 said:
    lolwray said:
    Move him on in the summer..he did a decent job for us ..I liked his attitude on the pitch and he ll have a decent career in the lower divisions ...
    He’s better than Gillesphey and Burke .  

    He wasn't better than Gillesphey last season and I was at the game at the valley when we had a 2-2 draw and it was Macca who held the defence together as Lloyd was missing and McIntyre and Alex Mitchell both made mistakes alongside him while they were his CB partners. Mcintyre was subbed after his clanger.

    Macca does look like he is more of a good League 1 player but so does Mitchell at Plymouth.

    Difficult to judge Burke because he can never play enough games without being Injured so can never get up to speed.

    Ramsay, Jones and Bell are Championship standard CB and that is the quality we need to seek and keep.