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Daylight offside
BerkshireBob
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The idea that clear daylight between an attacker and the second-last defender should decide offside as suggested by Arsene Wenger is being trialled by the Canadian Premier League. The current rules are unclear at best - is this the answer?
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No, it's dumb. It will lead to defences sitting really deep and boring gameplay. You'd still get the tiny millimetre decisions, just seeing if someone has daylight or not. It doesn't fix anything at all8
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I'm not sure it is the answer as surely it just moves the 'line' - just as much chance of borderline decisions.9
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Freeze-frame is showed to a panel of 5. They have 3 seconds to decide. Majority carries. VAR only used on an appeal system like in cricket - you are allowed one incorrect appeal, a second means you're all out of appeals6
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Offside decisions will always be borderline while VAR is in use.
I've always thought that it should be the position of the respective players' feet that determine whether someone is offside or not, otherwise it disadvantages the attacking player.5 -
I'd prefer a system which judges whether an advantage was gained as a result of the player being marginally offside or if a handball in the penalty area actually deprived the opposition of a goal or goal-scoring chance.
I'm not sure you need elaborate off-field surveillance and equipment to make this call.
You could have an independent official running about close to the action and with some kind of signalling system that players and supporters could easily detect.
Maybe a Court of Law judge (with wig) carrying a saxophone or something.
There may be better suggestions.2 -
Marginal decisions are part of the game, handball in the area is a penalty whatever position you are in at the time, same as outside the box…0
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Someone needs to explain quantisation to Arsene Wenger, wether there is daylight or not there still has to be a point of crossover from onside to offside, that will still be argued doesn't matter how big or small the "buffer" is.
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Yes, requiring daylight and giving the doubt to the attacking side will will encourage more exciting football. If defenders start to stand off attackers a little that will hand the advantage to attacking players that are quick and can beat a defender with dribbling skills.
Defending is a lot easier than attacking and anything that rewards quick, attacking play should be encouraged.1 -
I don't think that's true. Even more games will look like ours against Middlesbrough. Defences will sit deep, not bother with offside traps and there won't be space for attackers to run intotallboy said:Yes, requiring daylight and giving the doubt to the attacking side will will encourage more exciting football. If defenders start to stand off attackers a little that will hand the advantage to attacking players that are quick and can beat a defender with dribbling skills.
Defending is a lot easier than attacking and anything that rewards quick, attacking play should be encouraged.1 -
Maybe - but not as dumb as being offside because your little toe is slightly ahead.fenaddick said:No, it's dumb. It will lead to defences sitting really deep and boring gameplay. You'd still get the tiny millimetre decisions, just seeing if someone has daylight or not. It doesn't fix anything at all2 -
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Doesn't solve any of the problems with the current offside rule. Mostly the marginal calls and things like that.
Attackers would learn to do things such as place one arm back behind them to keep them onside.0 -
The Red Robin said:
Maybe - but not as dumb as being offside because your little toe is slightly ahead.fenaddick said:No, it's dumb. It will lead to defences sitting really deep and boring gameplay. You'd still get the tiny millimetre decisions, just seeing if someone has daylight or not. It doesn't fix anything at all
Or just as dumb to be offside because the attacker's heel is a micron ahead of the defender's big toe?3 -
Scrap offside outside of a line across the field say equal to the penalty area
stops goal hanging but opens up the space between halfway line and penalty area0 -
Too close to the goal, you'd just get a low block on that line, if you go that way it needs to be more like 30-35 yards outMrOneLung said:Scrap offside outside of a line across the field say equal to the penalty area
stops goal hanging but opens up the space between halfway line and penalty area1 -
Keep the offside rule as is, no tinkering with lines across the field (just another line!!). Just scrap VAR for offside decisions, leaving it to the Assistant Referee - you never know, it might catch on.The only technology needed is goal line - everything else relies on the officials. Yes mistakes are made but they always have been and it's part of the game.8
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They should try scrapping VAR and all the technology that goes with it. Instead, they should tell someone he has the job of walking or running up and down the touchline, guessing whether there should be an offside decision. But tell him to do it instantly, so the game can carry on. And, if it's a game that has a big crowd and is therefore a bit noisy, they should give him a big flag to wave, so the ref knows it's offside.
That would never catch on though.3 -
Most Lino’s can’t keep up with play.Let’s be fair most professional players at 25, are like lightning compared to the average assistant .How a Lino can judge a ball over the top or diagonal to a fast moving attacker is beyond me.2
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Especially when the pass is played from deep. The lino is expected to watch a line of players, to see if the attacking player is ahead of the defenders when the pass is made AND watch the player making the pass, who might be 20 yards away.usetobunkin said:Most Lino’s can’t keep up with play.Let’s be fair most professional players at 25, are like lightning compared to the average assistant .How a Lino can judge a ball over the top or diagonal to a fast moving attacker is beyond me.
The current VAR interpretation, where you can be offside because a toenail or 1 cm of your shoulder is offside might be frustrating, but at least it's factual, and doesn't benefit the big teams over the smaller ones.1 -
Requiring daylight? What happen if it's a floodlit match?10
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Then offsides don't apply. You can goal hang as long as the other team can have a rush goalie.fattmatt said:Requiring daylight? What happen if it's a floodlit match?1 -
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Think they need to focus on fixing the handball interpretation.
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I think you'll find that all teams have rush goalkeepers now!golfaddick said:
Then offsides don't apply. You can goal hang as long as the other team can have a rush goalie.fattmatt said:Requiring daylight? What happen if it's a floodlit match?
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Just get rid of offside. No offside rule would see play adapt. Worked in hockey1
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And pulling/pushing/holding of players at corners.siblers said:Think they need to focus on fixing the handball interpretation.
Scrap VAR. Football was never meant to be that precise.4 -
Am I imagining it or did there used to be such a line on Subbuteo pitches?sam3110 said:
Too close to the goal, you'd just get a low block on that line, if you go that way it needs to be more like 30-35 yards outMrOneLung said:Scrap offside outside of a line across the field say equal to the penalty area
stops goal hanging but opens up the space between halfway line and penalty area0 -
Yes, it would be much better if they had a xylophone instead of a saxophone.Dave Rudd said:I'd prefer a system which judges whether an advantage was gained as a result of the player being marginally offside or if a handball in the penalty area actually deprived the opposition of a goal or goal-scoring chance.
I'm not sure you need elaborate off-field surveillance and equipment to make this call.
You could have an independent official running about close to the action and with some kind of signalling system that players and supporters could easily detect.
Maybe a Court of Law judge (with wig) carrying a saxophone or something.
There may be better suggestions.0 -
thetomahawkkid said:
Am I imagining it or did there used to be such a line on Subbuteo pitches?sam3110 said:
Too close to the goal, you'd just get a low block on that line, if you go that way it needs to be more like 30-35 yards outMrOneLung said:Scrap offside outside of a line across the field say equal to the penalty area
stops goal hanging but opens up the space between halfway line and penalty area
There are lines across the pitch dividing it into four quarters.1 -
I think most people on here would benefit from an explanation of quantisation.EugenesAxe said:Someone needs to explain quantisation to Arsene Wenger, wether there is daylight or not there still has to be a point of crossover from onside to offside, that will still be argued doesn't matter how big or small the "buffer" is.1 -
I’ve thought that for a long time. Remember the fuss when they brought in the rule that goalies could not pick up the ball from a pass back?BarnehurstBob said:Just get rid of offside. No offside rule would see play adapt. Worked in hockey0 -
Most blatant way of time wasting ever...BerkshireBob said:
I’ve thought that for a long time. Remember the fuss when they brought in the rule that goalies could not pick up the ball from a pass back?BarnehurstBob said:Just get rid of offside. No offside rule would see play adapt. Worked in hockey0
