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+++ Charlton complete Thomas Kaminski signing +++
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I think Mannion has strengths Kaminski doesn't and visa versa. I must be honest and say I prefer Mannion but I like a keeper who commands his area. Kaminski has had a decent season to be fair to him.3
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It’s a big leap to assume NJ comments mean anything untoward at all.However IF true then TK needs to have a look at himself. He’s made errors in games and Mannion did not get back in the next match.I’m more inclined that NJ does not have a belief of one player being a guaranteed starter but does expect both to be consistent and interchangeable as required. I’m equally sure that isn’t news to either of them.Maybe it’s just a temporary hissy fit from TK where he’s exaggerating an injury and it will blow over - just because of scheduling over Easter the frustration didn’t get dealt with in training over the week as it might normally?2
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Kaminski is not injured.1
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I'm more supportive of Kaminski than most but Mannion has taken the first choice role on merit and deserves to keep it - to recover after his mistake on Friday with a performance like that shows real character as well as quality.
I'd be disappointed if Kaminski has thrown a strop about losing his place, it certainly wouldn't do much to improve his standing with NJ but either way Mannion shouldn't be dropped now, and summer becomes a rwl question about what to do regarding the GK position.2 -
I don't mind Kaminski, he's nowhere near as bad as is made out. I do like Mannion, though he's not quite as good as is made out in contrast to Kaminski. If it's true that Kaminski has reacted badly to being kept out of the team by Mannion playing well then great, as long as we manage to make up approximately the £1m he reportedly cost then we can look at getting in a keeper who is better than both of them. If not then we have two keepers who can do a job at Championship level and that's a pretty good spot to be in.
It would be disappointing from Kaminski though, last season Mannion got injured and lost his place to Ashley Maynard-Brewer, who was basically a WW2 torpedo with a face painted on. Mannion sat on the bench for 12 games while a much less capable keeper played in his place because that keeper hadn't done anything to merit getting dropped. It was only when AMB got injured himself that Mannion came back in and saw out the season. Jones is very consistent in giving players the opportunities they've earned and requiring a good attitude from those who are trying to get in so Kaminski having a tantrum after a couple of games on the bench just isn't going to be a sustainable situation. I hope it's not true just on the basis that it would be annoying to have a player who behaves like that16 -
Got a feeling he'll end up back at Blackburn next season - their fans absolutely love him.0
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He obviously thought he'd be straight back in after Mannion's terrible triple error.
Sounds like a good opportunity to let him go. Tell him he won't be number one next season, I doubt he'll want to stay.
We can try again to find a new goalkeeper. TK is reportedly on the biggest salary but has been average at best.2 -
Coincidence that Nathan Jones has his wrist strapped? Did Kaminski get an Andy Todd?MarcusH26 said:Would be surprised if we saw TK again if he's had a falling out with NJ. Think he'll be out the door in the summer4 -
Was strapped on Friday with TK on the bench so I think it was a coincidenceThe Red Robin said:
Coincidence that Nathan Jones has his wrist strapped? Did Kaminski get an Andy Todd?MarcusH26 said:Would be surprised if we saw TK again if he's had a falling out with NJ. Think he'll be out the door in the summer2 -
(it was a joke)fenaddick said:
Was strapped on Friday with TK on the bench so I think it was a coincidenceThe Red Robin said:
Coincidence that Nathan Jones has his wrist strapped? Did Kaminski get an Andy Todd?MarcusH26 said:Would be surprised if we saw TK again if he's had a falling out with NJ. Think he'll be out the door in the summer1 -
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Given others have seriously suggested it you can't be too careful!The Red Robin said:
(it was a joke)fenaddick said:
Was strapped on Friday with TK on the bench so I think it was a coincidenceThe Red Robin said:
Coincidence that Nathan Jones has his wrist strapped? Did Kaminski get an Andy Todd?MarcusH26 said:Would be surprised if we saw TK again if he's had a falling out with NJ. Think he'll be out the door in the summer1 -
Funnily enough I was wondering last night if something had happened, especially following NJ's humble and humility comments. I thought it would be surmising and shit stirring to say anything. I've called out Kaminski for a lack of accountability when he's messed up before. Firstly congratulations to Mannion for yesterday's performance after Brizzle and if there are any billy big bollocks with attitude we don't need them.1
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Haha alright Linda KaminskyRadostanradical said:To be fair, I completely understand TKs frustrqtion at not playing yesterday. When I was playing if I was in that position I would be knocking on managers door asking why?
Do people just expect him to sit back and see damage done to his career quietly? Hopefully NJ starts TK (who is our better keeper) on Saturday.11 -
Good luck trying to get rid of TK, if he is on the 20k i have read does anyone actually think he will leave to go elsewhere at his age for less money?
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If he’s thrown his toys out of the pram he can do one . That’s if he can get off the goal line …6
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Why not? He’s probably only on that (if it’s even true) because he was on similar money at Luton. They signed him after getting promoted to the PL.Radostanradical said:Good luck trying to get rid of TK, if he is on the 20k i have read does anyone actually think he will leave to go elsewhere at his age for less money?0 -
Because who is realistically going tonsign him that will pay 20k a week? He is unlikely to go elsewhere if it represents a significant drop in salary.Scoham said:
Why not? He’s probably only on that (if it’s even true) because he was on similar money at Luton. They signed him after getting promoted to the PL.Radostanradical said:Good luck trying to get rid of TK, if he is on the 20k i have read does anyone actually think he will leave to go elsewhere at his age for less money?1 -
Lloyd Jones is the only person in the squad who is undroppable. Nobody else in the squad has a divine right to start (Bell would be the closest), if somebody else comes in and does well, especially not Kaminski.
He's been perfectly ok, but hardly player of the season territory. Mannion has come in, and been overall at least as good, and possibly slightly better. Yes Mannion made a howler on Friday, but Kaminski has made mistakes and not been dropped, and it would have been ridiculous to bench Mannion for one mistake.9 -
Sounds like he’s thrown a hissy fit. Get rid in that case. Nowhere near enough credit in the bank to justify doing that, nobody’s too big to being on the bench (although rousillion and Hernandez did put the bench under strain, it held out!)2
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You say that but the one time we couldn't start Jones we put Coady in and kept a clean sheet away at the team who were in 2nd in the table. Ultimately no-one is undroppable and a big part of being successful is having good togetherness and communication; the backline against Boro was Gough, Coady and Gillesphey. If Jones were to throw a big tantrum we'd be better off playing 3 committed and happy CBs than having him in there. But he won't because he's a big grown upkillerandflash said:Lloyd Jones is the only person in the squad who is undroppable. Nobody else in the squad has a divine right to start (Bell would be the closest), if somebody else comes in and does well, especially not Kaminski.
He's been perfectly ok, but hardly player of the season territory. Mannion has come in, and been overall at least as good, and possibly slightly better. Yes Mannion made a howler on Friday, but Kaminski has made mistakes and not been dropped, and it would have been ridiculous to bench Mannion for one mistake.0 -
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Mannion should have started the season as Number 1 IMO , did nothing wrong, more than happy to go into next year as him as first choice.4
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If we look at it, Jones has a bigger history of falling out with players than Kaminski throwing his toys out of the pram.
Feels we've only heard one side (or zero sides) of the story anyway.3 -
But the next game Jones came straight back in though, despite the clean sheet. Everyone knew that this was a one off, that Jones is the undisputed No 1 in his position, which he's earned through his performances. Kaminski hasn't earned that right.Garrymanilow said:
You say that but the one time we couldn't start Jones we put Coady in and kept a clean sheet away at the team who were in 2nd in the table. Ultimately no-one is undroppable and a big part of being successful is having good togetherness and communication; the backline against Boro was Gough, Coady and Gillesphey. If Jones were to throw a big tantrum we'd be better off playing 3 committed and happy CBs than having him in there. But he won't because he's a big grown upkillerandflash said:Lloyd Jones is the only person in the squad who is undroppable. Nobody else in the squad has a divine right to start (Bell would be the closest), if somebody else comes in and does well, especially not Kaminski.
He's been perfectly ok, but hardly player of the season territory. Mannion has come in, and been overall at least as good, and possibly slightly better. Yes Mannion made a howler on Friday, but Kaminski has made mistakes and not been dropped, and it would have been ridiculous to bench Mannion for one mistake.
When I say Jones is undroppable, I don't mean because of reputation or contract small print, it's that Jones has been head and shoulders our best player this season. Even when he has a very occasional bad game, he's still one of the better players out there.
Of course if he had a series of poor performances, he's rightfully be dropped, and I'm sure he'd accept it fine.
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I tend to agree with this sentiment. Also as we saw against Bristol when Jones had a bad match (tbf he was due one) and we speculated it may be due to injury, if we have to manage his fitness its worth leaving him out occassionallyGarrymanilow said:
You say that but the one time we couldn't start Jones we put Coady in and kept a clean sheet away at the team who were in 2nd in the table. Ultimately no-one is undroppable and a big part of being successful is having good togetherness and communication; the backline against Boro was Gough, Coady and Gillesphey. If Jones were to throw a big tantrum we'd be better off playing 3 committed and happy CBs than having him in there. But he won't because he's a big grown upkillerandflash said:Lloyd Jones is the only person in the squad who is undroppable. Nobody else in the squad has a divine right to start (Bell would be the closest), if somebody else comes in and does well, especially not Kaminski.
He's been perfectly ok, but hardly player of the season territory. Mannion has come in, and been overall at least as good, and possibly slightly better. Yes Mannion made a howler on Friday, but Kaminski has made mistakes and not been dropped, and it would have been ridiculous to bench Mannion for one mistake.0 -
To be fair , he’s been liking all the players posts from Monday on instagram as well as Mannions’s so there’s probably nothing in it at all.2
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If there isn’t, strange comments by Jones then if he was genuinely injured there’s no way he would be that blunt to cawley’s questions also having a problem with the manager doesn’t exactly roll over to the players as wellBedsaddick said:To be fair , he’s been liking all the players posts from Monday on instagram as well as Mannions’s so there’s probably nothing in it at all.0 -
Linda is managing his social media accounts.Bedsaddick said:To be fair , he’s been liking all the players posts from Monday on instagram as well as Mannions’s so there’s probably nothing in it at all.2 -
NJ made somewhat sarky comments when Leaburn pulled out pre match at Wrexham away if I remember correctly? I wonder if he expects his players to be indestructible? Perhaps TK simply did fall over and hurt himself to the point that he didn’t feel up to playing or even bench warming?2
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Diebythesword said:Sounds like he’s thrown a hissy fit. Get rid in that case. Nowhere near enough credit in the bank to justify doing that, nobody’s too big to being on the bench (although rousillion and Hernandez did put the bench under strain,Ok a random fan says he throws a hissy fit and you believe them. How would they know. There is absolutely nothing that indicates this happened. This is exactly how stupid made up rumours become “facts” by fans2
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again two plus two equals 5 for some Charlton fans ….. nothing in it Kaminsky had muscle spasms in his upper arm and down the side of his body where the hamstring injury was on Sunday morning .. could not risk him on Monday just in case.
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