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West Brom Face Potential Points Deduction
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I don't see how it's going to be applied this season when there's only 3 weeks of the season left and Leicester's took a year to be concluded. Even when they appealed it on 5 February, a final decision took until 8 April so just over 2 months.CafcWest said:Taken from the BBC article: "If found guilty, West Brom face a points deduction which, according to the EFL's sanctioning guidelines, would be applied this season and potentially mean they drop into the relegation zone."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjd8997l1zno
Given that West Brom have denied the charge and said they've complied they would obviously appeal any points deduction. So i can't see how any of this can be worked out this season.2 -
Am I right in saying the following?
1. West Brom exceeded the permitted loss by £16m (losing £55m over a 3 year period versus the permitted £39m).
2. Leicester exceeded PSR by £20.8m over 3 years and got 6 points.
3. And did West Brom file their accounts showing these numbers in March, not December?3 -
1. West Brom lost 64M over 3 years however, 3.5M was in infrastructure so that doesn’t count in the rules nor does academy running costs that’s rumoured to be 6M a year so 6Mx3 years= 18M + 3.5M infrastructure costs brings it right down to 42.5M losses so they have scraped over the 39M by 3.5M but again that could come down to the true academy costs.ns9 said:Am I right in saying the following?
1. West Brom exceeded the permitted loss by £16m (losing £55m over a 3 year period versus the permitted £39m).
2. Leicester exceeded PSR by £20.8m over 3 years and got 6 points.
3. And did West Brom file their accounts showing these numbers in March, not December?2. Yes Leceister massively over spent on the rules but they only got given 6 points because apparently L1 relegation could financially bankrupt them and cause them to go under or puts them in a state they can never recover. They needed to find a line between giving them something to show laws still apply but also give them the best chance possible to stay up for the sake of safety in survival of their club.3. They were rumoured to have released the accounts in March but the club denied any wrong doing with that however, it would make sense if they did because delaying the accounts means it would take longer to find them guilty making it a harder decision for the EFL to implement a points deduction this season with it being so close to the end of the year and the relegation battle this close3 -
The BBC article says this:
"A breach of up to £2m incurs a three-point penalty. If it is up to £4m, there is a four-point deduction."
Not sure this is an actual rule is it?0 -
Seems way to straightforward for that rule to be consistently used with EFL regulations. that being said if West Brom do get a points deduction this season it’s very likely to be 3-4 pointsChris_from_Sidcup said:The BBC article says this:
"A breach of up to £2m incurs a three-point penalty. If it is up to £4m, there is a four-point deduction."
Not sure this is an actual rule is it?0 -
True, but I was thinking about how much we're losing per year generally.paulsturgess said:
Losses in L1 don’t apply isn’t it? I thought that was the whole thing of Birmingham and Ipswich huge spending at that level to build upper champ teams outside of the spending controls?North Lower Neil said:What was our loss for last season? £16m-odd wasn't it? Will need to rein that in to avoid over £39m in 3 years maybe.
Although revenue will be different so will fees/wages.0 -
Would be shocked if they applied the deduction this season, if they punish this season it will be a fine. Although could see other teams appealing - this mess is caused by the EFL not having clear and consistent punishments for rule breaks.8
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There should be an automatic points deduction if accounts are more than say a month late, one that applies immediately. That would prevent such tacticsCrispywood said:ns9 said:Am I right in saying the following?
1. West Brom exceeded the permitted loss by £16m (losing £55m over a 3 year period versus the permitted £39m).
2. Leicester exceeded PSR by £20.8m over 3 years and got 6 points.
3. And did West Brom file their accounts showing these numbers in March, not December?3. They were rumoured to have released the accounts in March but the club denied any wrong doing with that however, it would make sense if they did because delaying the accounts means it would take longer to find them guilty making it a harder decision for the EFL to implement a points deduction this season with it being so close to the end of the year and the relegation battle this close16 -
What can see happening is that they give a charge this year to show they’re following their own rules but due to them apparently just going over they may opt for a transfer ban +fine instead of a points deductionCovered_End_Lad said:Would be shocked if they applied the deduction this season, if they punish this season it will be a fine. Although could see other teams appealing - this mess is caused by the EFL not having clear and consistent punishments for rule breaks.0 -
When will the EFL learn?
Points deductions should be automatic and let the Club concerned worry about sorting.
Put the accounts in late or delay appeal would risk missing the cut for relegation/playoffs.
WBA accounting period ends 30th June. Clubs are not required to have the same accounting period, but most Clubs choose a date from the end of May to the end of June as players contracts mostly start and finish in the period.
They and the EFL knew they were flying very close to the wind, so why have WBA so late in publishing their accounts (four weeks ago?).
Cynical fans may think it was deliberate to avoid the punishment being applied this season. Indeed the Club seems to be suggesting that this should apply next season.
I think most fans that this is unfair. Clubs that have weaker squads because they didn’t cheat could suffer relegation or miss out on playoffs/promotion.
If the regulation and consequences were clear and applied, Clubs would be motivated to engage with the EFL as early as possible so they could appeal any decisions.
Back to now, the EFL should announce the penalty and that any appeal would have to be made and heard within 14 days.
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Is there any indication that West Brom filed their accounts late? I don’t think so, they filed them publicly in March but so did we and most other clubs. That doesn’t mean they didn’t send them in to the EFL by the end of 2025 as the rules require. I think the delay is the EFL taking too long to charge them rather than West Brom delaying1
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West Brom have already confirmed they filed their accounts by the 31 December deadline.NabySarr said:Is there any indication that West Brom filed their accounts late? I don’t think so, they filed them publicly in March but so did we and most other clubs. That doesn’t mean they didn’t send them in to the EFL by the end of 2025 as the rules require. I think the delay is the EFL taking too long to charge them rather than West Brom delaying0 -
Redrobo said:When will the EFL learn?
Points deductions should be automatic and let the Club concerned worry about sorting.
Put the accounts in late or delay appeal would risk missing the cut for relegation/playoffs.
WBA accounting period ends 30th June. Clubs are not required to have the same accounting period, but most Clubs choose a date from the end of May to the end of June as players contracts mostly start and finish in the period.
They and the EFL knew they were flying very close to the wind, so why have WBA so late in publishing their accounts (four weeks ago?).
Cynical fans may think it was deliberate to avoid the punishment being applied this season. Indeed the Club seems to be suggesting that this should apply next season.
I think most fans that this is unfair. Clubs that have weaker squads because they didn’t cheat could suffer relegation or miss out on playoffs/promotion.
If the regulation and consequences were clear and applied, Clubs would be motivated to engage with the EFL as early as possible so they could appeal any decisions.
Back to now, the EFL should announce the penalty and that any appeal would have to be made and heard within 14 days.It it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's a duck. Of course the delayed accounts filing was cynical.I really don't get the appeal bollocks either - the crime and punishment should be black and white - accounts late by up to a month = x points, more than a month = 2x points, overspend up to 5% = y points, 5-10% = 2y, more than 10% = 3y pointsIf x=1 and y=2 then as an example a club that is more than a month late and are more than 10% above FFP limits gets an immediate 8 point deduction. No appeal necessary as there are no grounds for any appeal.11 -
Any club that breaks the rules should be forced to buy Ahadme from us for £5million to even things up30
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I wouldn't wish that on any club. Okay, maybe Milwall. But that's it.CaptainRobbo said:Any club that breaks the rules should be forced to buy Ahadme from us for £5million to even things up6 -
Corrected for youcarly burn said:Christophe Le Point deduction has been our best player this season by a country mile!!!2 -
I realise that a lot of comments 'sentence them now' are in jest, but I fail to see how a league can function with potentially three clubs, being under sanction. It distorts league positions and reduces the competitive nature of the competition. BBC reported on losses and how much individual owners are bank rolling clubs, by that report, you'd have to ask 'who's next' ? I think we all want investment into the club, and we all understand that the squad is top heavy with below par players but I wonder how a balance can be met. Preston invested heavily pre-season and so did Bristol City, to what end ? Putting your club further into debt, just to tread water in this division.0
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We were stitched up by the EFL last time we were in the Championship.
To partially quote Lady Bracknell in 'The Importance of being Ernest'
To be relagated once... may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness
On the behalf of the EFL, not Charlton.5 -
thenewbie said:
I wouldn't wish that on any club. Okay, maybe Milwall. But that's it.CaptainRobbo said:Any club that breaks the rules should be forced to buy Ahadme from us for £5million to even things up...and watch him turn into the leagues top scorer.0 -
Shropshire Star report:-
” However, the league have pencilled in May 24 as a backstop date for any appeal which comes after the end of the season on May 19.”
If that goes wrong they can take it to court.0 -
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Lloyd jones won’t be happy he’s not getting his trophy!!😂carly burn said:Point deduction has been our best player this season by a country mile!!!0 -
Can they? Wouldn’t Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday have tried that if it was a possible route? I think they get an appeal, but that decision is then final. I suppose the league could say that whilst the regular season has finished, the play-offs will still be ongoing by the time of the May 24 backstop date and final positions haven’t yet been decided for next season.Redrobo said:Shropshire Star report:-
” However, the league have pencilled in May 24 as a backstop date for any appeal which comes after the end of the season on May 19.”
If that goes wrong they can take it to court.0 -
Isn't the official end of the season the AGM in early June? It's ridiculous but I bet thats the deadline0
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That is what the Star goes onto say.TelMc32 said:
Can they? Wouldn’t Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday have tried that if it was a possible route? I think they get an appeal, but that decision is then final. I suppose the league could say that whilst the regular season has finished, the play-offs will still be ongoing by the time of the May 24 backstop date and final positions haven’t yet been decided for next season.Redrobo said:Shropshire Star report:-
” However, the league have pencilled in May 24 as a backstop date for any appeal which comes after the end of the season on May 19.”
If that goes wrong they can take it to court.
. “With Albion’s insistence that they are within the rules, any deduction appears highly likely to be challenged by the club, with an appeal to the EFL first, possibly followed by court action if need be.”
They could always back out after the fixture list is out.
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The best way to resolve this, is for the refs in West Brom's final 4 fixtures to be instructed by the EFL to make sure they lose them all, and stay on 46 points for the rest of the season.
Dodgy penalties, red cards, good WBA goals disallowed etc7 -
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Another farce. Clear guidelines are needed.
Anyone facing similar charges can look to act in the same way and should they get a different punishment, point to mixed precedents as to when deductions may be applied etc.
In the EFL’s defence re; their rules about losses, I don’t think they knew the extent to which clubs are financially screwed when they put them in place, but will likely have to come with some new approach if things continue as they are.There was that chart someone shared on another thread the other day highlighting the losses incurred by championship clubs that had filed their 24/25 accounts. In a few years, you can see half the league with points deductions1 -
Knowing Charlton's luck, next year all clubs in our division will be given a ten point deduction, so no-one loses out. But ours will be delayed by a year.0
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IF the accounts were submitted on time, then it would seem that the process of verifying the financial information needs to be done quicker, which will require more resources at the EFL.
If there issues with clubs, they should be highlighted by say the end of February, allowing 2 weeks for an appeal, and the whole thing to be wrapped by the start of April.5 -
Double the amount clubs are allowed to lose, problem solved EFL style.4
