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POST-MATCH THREAD: Swansea City v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 2nd May 2026: KO 12:30
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iirc it was January 2025, 🤔ShootersHillGuru said:I don’t know the answer to this but when exactly was NJ rewarded with a five year deal ?1 -
Charlie Methven would quite literally smoke cigarettes outside grounds with fans and spill the beans on club matters. Wasn't it Methven who was leaking transfer rumours to an ITK on one of the sites?NabySarr said:Also there is absolutely no way that anyone with the knowledge of it would reveal to fans that a manager was close to being sacked. It just wouldn’t happen, even after the fact
I have spoken to quite a few people with direct contacts within the club and they tell me things I probably shouldn't know.
How do you think journalists get their scoops, hanging around club entrances and wire tapping phones?
People love to share/gossip about shocking or bad news. Sometimes it can be for the sake of it, sometimes to get a read from fans, sometimes people just like spilling the beans.
You can choose to believe it, or not believe it. Makes no difference to me, just sharing what I have heard. These things happen at every club, we aren't unique in that sense.
Anyway, point is, it's not crazy to question a manager producing poor football and poor results to go with. It's an entertainment industry, if people are paying money and not being entertained, it's their right to say something about it.7 -
I actually thought that myself. 21st place involves a fairly miserable season. Defeats on a regular basis and non stop engagement with a possible relegation. I wanted 17th or 18th and an easier ride. But there are fans who turn on the manager fairly quickly and the season we finished 21st would probably have involved a lot of cries for a new manager and complaining about NJ as the cheap option.Chunes said:I remember Louis Mendez talking about this before the season started. About how most fans seemed happy to finish 21st, but that would actually mean losing a LOT of games, and would this fanbase actually sit there and accept those kinds of poor runs. I guess we had our answer. Some will not tolerate poor runs.
From my POV, NJ has done more than enough to have the backing of the fans, even when we're struggling. He's certainly got mine.4 -
People in football gossip, the same as any other industry.NabySarr said:Also there is absolutely no way that anyone with the knowledge of it would reveal to fans that a manager was close to being sacked. It just wouldn’t happen, even after the fact1 -
Spot onChunes said:I remember Louis Mendez talking about this before the season started. About how most fans seemed happy to finish 21st, but that would actually mean losing a LOT of games, and would this fanbase actually sit there and accept those kinds of poor runs. I guess we had our answer. Some will not tolerate poor runs.
From my POV, NJ has done more than enough to have the backing of the fans, even when we're struggling. He's certainly got mine.1 -
We're a bit fickle aren't we, us fans. We have undying loyalty to our club but as far as owners, managers and players go it's much more about 'what have you done for me lately'......... although there are exceptions to that like Curbs, Fergie etc.....Braziliance said:
Cheers mateWrightCharlie said:
Thanks for doing these all through the season, I look forward to seeing them after the games, there are always things that make me smile and now and then it’s good to learn a new song from you and the people round youBraziliance said:Final one of the season, cheers all
Glad to hear there’ll be some content over the summer too……. cheers
Apologies for 4 posts in a row on this thread.
In a good mood etc and happy we stayed up. Just taking the emotion out of it all and having a discussion.
I've wanted Jones out twice and honest enough to admit it would have been the wrong call. I am heavily relying on his consistency in his second seasons here and at Luton.
I think if he recruits well this summer and we are still slogging it out near the bottom and putting in poor football displays I am going to want him gone, again. Anyone or any group that are directly causing Charlton to do poorly I am going to want gone. I have no loyalty to players or managers, will gladly admit that.
I am like an Aldi version of Real Madrid fans.
I'm optimistic about the summer, with Phil C on board for longer now I think recruitment will be good....... January did the job, identifying and signing Collins has given me hope, we've seen a decent +£15m number bandied around and NJ has very publicly said how he's looking for more quality, pace etc. and how ruthless he's going to be........ all good reasons to be optimistic....
I do think we have to temper our expectations though and 'know' that 60 points will mean 15 wins, 15 draws and 15 losses......... kind of..... and unless we unearth some unexpected brilliance or the academy grads have an unimagined season we will still have to contend with FSR rules and competitive recruitment from better teams and teams with deeper pockets.......... and aim for mid-table.
My expectations are mid-table.......... with more flowing football, better passing, improved anticipation and tackling leading to more possession, a quality midfield, more pace up front and 20 more 'goals for' than 'games played'............1 -
A shame to reward Kelman's heroics with just 10 minutes in the final game of the season. I thought the idea was to start one of Kelman or Godden, when fit6
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Think it was maybe that we know Kelman is going to be here next year, but worth getting more of a look at Dykes and Fevrier as we might be still thinking about whether to sign them or notmendonca said:A shame to reward Kelman's heroics with just 10 minutes in the final game of the season. I thought the idea was to start one of Kelman or Godden, when fit
Also Leaburn came on and did well so I think it was maybe tactical that we knew we’d need a big man up top for that game0 -
The issue is that we started so well with just 3 defeats in 14 games. Also, in one of those three, we were the better team.Chunes said:I remember Louis Mendez talking about this before the season started. About how most fans seemed happy to finish 21st, but that would actually mean losing a LOT of games, and would this fanbase actually sit there and accept those kinds of poor runs. I guess we had our answer. Some will not tolerate poor runs.
6 of our 13 wins came in those 14 games. Our form after that was abysmal and, had we been as bad at the start of the season, we would have gone down.
If the points we picked up at the start of the season were more evenly spread out throughout the season and we were constantly hovering just above the relegation zone, I think everybody would have been a lot happier.4 -
I think we tailed off when we lost Edwards and Bree, though it seemed that Bree lost interest in his last couple of games for us. I'd like to see Apter given a chance. I thought that sending Apter out on loan was a bad decision.1
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Pompey and Mousinho is a classic example of successfully keeping faith with the managerNabySarr said:
There are also countless examples of teams sticking with managers and doing well. And teams that changed managers and did just as badly or worseBraziliance said:Oxford United before they sacked Rowett, 22 games, 4 wins, 7 draws, 11 loses. 18% win rate.
Norwich City before they sacked Manning, 15 games, 2 wins, 3 draws, 10 losses. 13% win rate.
Southampton before sacking Still, 13 games, 2 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses. 15% win rate.
You could probably do this across most leagues and the pattern will be similar. Not trying to be condescending, but Nathan Jones isn't unique and doesn't have an immunity pass. Charlton operate like any other club would results wise.
It's history, it worked out, but without being rude, I think it's a bit naive to think talks weren't held, and if they weren't, that would probably be more concerning.
I’m sure these conversations go on all the time because there might come a time Jones is sacked or chooses to leave, and we should be regularly monitoring potential manager targets like we would signings. But that isn’t the same as he was nearly sacked, I just don’t think that was true. Maybe it’s because he was on a huge deal, but to me
it was very clear they were going to give him way more time than would be afforded usually to a manager in the EFL. The Crawley game is always quoted, but if he was on the verge of the sack how come he survived another 3 poor games after it?
Plus WBA were average under Mason, but got way worse under Ramsay.3 -
Catching up today as I kept off here after the game. Nothing more to be said about the game but a cracking Friday afternoon/night in Swansea. Vast majority of the Swans fans after the game seemed decent - far better than the North Wales lot4
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Will be interesting to see if Pompey can keep Mousinho away from Bristol City. Think the chance to actually have a proper championship budget from the Lansdownes could be too hard to resist.killerandflash said:
Pompey and Mousinho is a classic example of successfully keeping faith with the managerNabySarr said:
There are also countless examples of teams sticking with managers and doing well. And teams that changed managers and did just as badly or worseBraziliance said:Oxford United before they sacked Rowett, 22 games, 4 wins, 7 draws, 11 loses. 18% win rate.
Norwich City before they sacked Manning, 15 games, 2 wins, 3 draws, 10 losses. 13% win rate.
Southampton before sacking Still, 13 games, 2 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses. 15% win rate.
You could probably do this across most leagues and the pattern will be similar. Not trying to be condescending, but Nathan Jones isn't unique and doesn't have an immunity pass. Charlton operate like any other club would results wise.
It's history, it worked out, but without being rude, I think it's a bit naive to think talks weren't held, and if they weren't, that would probably be more concerning.
I’m sure these conversations go on all the time because there might come a time Jones is sacked or chooses to leave, and we should be regularly monitoring potential manager targets like we would signings. But that isn’t the same as he was nearly sacked, I just don’t think that was true. Maybe it’s because he was on a huge deal, but to me
it was very clear they were going to give him way more time than would be afforded usually to a manager in the EFL. The Crawley game is always quoted, but if he was on the verge of the sack how come he survived another 3 poor games after it?
Plus WBA were average under Mason, but got way worse under Ramsay.0 -
In the cold light of day, NJ has been in charge for 2.5 years, during which he first kept us up in L1 (we were at our lowest ebb on the pitch arguably ever when he took over), got us promoted at the first time of asking then kept us up in the Championship with a (reported) bottom 3 budget. There is literally nothing more he could have done in that timeframe - he is unquestionably the best man for the job and I personally am not bothered by the playing style used to achieve that this season. He knows what it takes to improve and he deserves full backing in executing it. There is no one remotely close to being as good a fit for the club at the moment35
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The football needs to improve. I couldn't take another season of it. I think he has until the end of November to prove we're on the right trajectory.ns9 said:In the cold light of day, NJ has been in charge for 2.5 years, during which he first kept us up in L1 (we were at our lowest ebb on the pitch arguably ever when he took over), got us promoted at the first time of asking then kept us up in the Championship with a (reported) bottom 3 budget. There is literally nothing more he could have done in that timeframe - he is unquestionably the best man for the job and I personally am not bothered by the playing style used to achieve that this season. He knows what it takes to improve and he deserves full backing in executing it. There is no one remotely close to being as good a fit for the club at the moment
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The “right trajectory”? How about rescuing us from a very precarious situation in his first half season, winning promotion in his second and keeping us up in his third? That sounds like one of the best current trajectories of any manager in England.swords_alive said:
The football needs to improve. I couldn't take another season of it. I think he has until the end of November to prove we're on the right trajectory.ns9 said:In the cold light of day, NJ has been in charge for 2.5 years, during which he first kept us up in L1 (we were at our lowest ebb on the pitch arguably ever when he took over), got us promoted at the first time of asking then kept us up in the Championship with a (reported) bottom 3 budget. There is literally nothing more he could have done in that timeframe - he is unquestionably the best man for the job and I personally am not bothered by the playing style used to achieve that this season. He knows what it takes to improve and he deserves full backing in executing it. There is no one remotely close to being as good a fit for the club at the moment18 -
Madnessswords_alive said:
The football needs to improve. I couldn't take another season of it. I think he has until the end of November to prove we're on the right trajectory.ns9 said:In the cold light of day, NJ has been in charge for 2.5 years, during which he first kept us up in L1 (we were at our lowest ebb on the pitch arguably ever when he took over), got us promoted at the first time of asking then kept us up in the Championship with a (reported) bottom 3 budget. There is literally nothing more he could have done in that timeframe - he is unquestionably the best man for the job and I personally am not bothered by the playing style used to achieve that this season. He knows what it takes to improve and he deserves full backing in executing it. There is no one remotely close to being as good a fit for the club at the moment10 -
NabySarr said:
Think it was maybe that we know Kelman is going to be here next year, but worth getting more of a look at Dykes and Fevrier as we might be still thinking about whether to sign them or notmendonca said:A shame to reward Kelman's heroics with just 10 minutes in the final game of the season. I thought the idea was to start one of Kelman or Godden, when fit
If we are still considering re-signing Dykes, we are in for a hard season.0 -
Where’s the Dartford match preview @ForeverAddickted ?8
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Most disappointing thing , aside from the result, is that I'll now be forced to venture into the Summer Transfer Window thread that started sometime back in October of last year 😁1
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But your two examples are different from us, aren’t they. There’s a difference between words and actions.Braziliance said:
Liam Manning was bought out from Bristol City for 800k and given a 4 year deal. You can probably save yourself time reading his announcement, as all of them are the same. 'Projects, journeys, buying into something'.ShootersHillGuru said:I don’t think he’s been close to getting sacked at all. Certainly he’s felt the pressure. Most managers do and Nathan Jones is obviously very heavily invested in everything he does. Remind me when he was given a five year contract by the owners ? The owners have communicated that CAFC are a long term project and that’s been echoed by Jones. It’s a journey with the intention to gather speed each year. Surviving the first year was the target on limited resources and we achieved that. Relegation to quote Jones would have been a disaster so without doubt he’s very relieved we stayed up but even had we got chopped I don’t think he’s was in danger of losing his job. Is he perfect ? No but I’d say perfect for us.
Will Still also got given I think a 3-4 year deal. Same buzzwords.
All these managers are on journeys and adventures, it's a way of trying to build a rapport with fans. What's the alternative? "Hopefully I can win a few games before inevitably leaving for another club or being sacked myself".
If managers weren't getting sacked based on contract length, then no managers would have been sacked across all 4 professional leagues this season.Manning and Still being sacked after a bad run of form and Jones not being sacked proves that. When Jones talks about a journey, long term project, in it together, then it’s believable because he has been proven to be backed by owners after bad runs of form.1 -
Come on admit it , just like me you couldn’t wait for this season to be over and it’s not even been a week yet and ya bored out ya mind 😩4
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I genuinely imagine there is a lot of the explanation for 'second season syndrome' right there in that opening phase of the season. We'd just got promoted, the club were buzzing, and there was underlying confidence.AS1987 said:
The issue is that we started so well with just 3 defeats in 14 games. Also, in one of those three, we were the better team.Chunes said:I remember Louis Mendez talking about this before the season started. About how most fans seemed happy to finish 21st, but that would actually mean losing a LOT of games, and would this fanbase actually sit there and accept those kinds of poor runs. I guess we had our answer. Some will not tolerate poor runs.
6 of our 13 wins came in those 14 games. Our form after that was abysmal and, had we been as bad at the start of the season, we would have gone down.
If the points we picked up at the start of the season were more evenly spread out throughout the season and we were constantly hovering just above the relegation zone, I think everybody would have been a lot happier.
Next season we start with survival attained but our final results were poor.
So Nathan will need to get that confidence back again.2
