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EFL Playoffs 25/26 (Saints booted out of final and given 4 point deduction - pg34)
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Ronnie in the long grass at SL, analysing TC's training regime.EugenesAxe said:*Ignore Didn't see this asked on the Champ thread.What does spying on a training session actually achieve? analysts can go to every other teams games all season, watching training for a bit would reveal what? I didn't realise they're that top secret? Does Ronnie get moved on when he's in the bushes at SL?
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What time do the coaches leave Larkfield?clive said:2 -
A week last Wednesday...The Red Robin said:
What time do the coaches leave Larkfield?clive said:1 -
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So the offended club can't participate or give evidence in the case, utter farce!!clive said:6 -
I’ll give an example of why this is a shit show. I live in Yorkshire and have a friend who is a Hull fan and goes to all home games. Season ticket with her dad. They have their tickets for the final. Booked overnight accommodation in London. Not sure where. If the game is delayed it can’t be the following Saturday. There’s Rugby at Wembley. The Saturday after there’s music. It would need to be moved from Wembley or played midweek or moved to another stadium. How the fuck is that fair on Hull fans ? It’s a shit show and because Southampton have a right of appeal any punishment is likely to irrelevant as far as Hull City are concerned. I have no doubt Southampton will contest the final and will start as favourites and probably get into the Premier League. They’ll be beyond The EFL jurisdiction and will benefit to millions. They need to be judged and sentenced and if found guilty after an appeal then the book should be thrown. Boro can’t even give their account on events !!! Why ? It’s an utter shit show and farce which is The EFL stock in trade.Stu_of_Kunming said:ShootersHillGuru said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not sure the EFL have done much wrong here. The offence only took place last week, then Southampton were charged, teams usually get 14 days to respond to a charge but that has obviously had to be fast tracked and now we're told the hearing will take place on or before next Tuesday.ShootersHillGuru said:Typical EFL though. Why the delay in holding the hearing. Thrown everything into the usual confusion on anything EFL. Hull are becoming the victims here.
So from original offence to hearing that will be less than 2 weeks, that is absolutely lightning pace considering the usual timescale of EFL charges. What more do you think the EFL could have done?
Well they could have course said you have seven days to respond to the charges. Southampton know everything there is to know. They either did it or didn’t . Quite what an extra seven days would provide I’m not sure. How would Southampton prove they didn’t do it ? What can they bring to the hearing that they don’t know already. They either sent a spy or didn’t. There are no mitigations to this. They can lie of course but if they do and are found out I’d want to see them expelled from the league or at least relegated to division two. The delay has literally thrown a hundred thousand supporters into turmoil. Would have definitely disrupted Hull City’s preparations. Hulls players will have summer plans that now might be thrown into doubt because of this possible delay to the game. It’s another unacceptable example of The EFL dragging their feet.Even with something as clear cut as sending a spy, clubs still need the right to appeal. Not because they're going to suddenly prove they didn't do it, but because the punishment itself or the way the decision was made could be wrong. Think about criminal courts for a second, even when someone is clearly guilty, they still get a right to appeal. It's not about lying or buying time. It's a corner stone of any half decent justice system.
The extra seven days aren't for them to work out if they sent a spy, of course they know that. It's for arguing the how and the what next. Like, did the EFL follow their own rules properly? Is the punishment disproportionate? Could be a technical issue or a mistake in how the evidence was handled. You can't just throw the book at someone without letting them have a proper say.
Yeah, it drags on and leaves fans in limbo. But scrapping appeals just because a case looks obvious? That's how you end up with the EFL making bad decisions with no comeback. Even a convicted criminal gets a right to appeal. Football shouldn't be any different, even when it's a pain in the backside.
I get the frustration and it's definitely unfair on Hull's preparation but I'm not sure there's really anything else the EFL could do here? If you accept that appeals are necessary, surely legal teams need some time to prepare?
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The only solution is the playoff goes ahead between Hull and Southampton and whatever the outcome Southampton get a big fine and points deduction next season.1
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There should be punishments for the club and the coaching staff involved.
Six point penalty applied to the next season (possibility it has to be suspended until they’re next in the Championship…) and a heavy fine. And for Eckert et al. a 12 month ban from any football related activities, effective immediately.
Make them play the final but with a completely fresh coaching staff…3 -
Just switched onto the Grimsby game, can’t help but think what an absolute bargain Mendonca was at the time and how we don’t see so many of that type of player much anymore, still amazes me nobody else had taken a punt on him before us, he was absolute class and probably goes down as one of our best ever signings… oh and then we pair him up with Andy Hunt who IMO was possibly a bit underrated, both really clever enjoyable players to watch.6
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Salford (3) 1 - 2 (3) Grimsby
heading into the final 10 mins plus add ons0 -
Notts County (1) 0 - 0 (0) Chesterfield
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The hearing has started and looks like it's going to plan...🙄
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-rUu9NgZg
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Grimsby calamity hands Salford an equaliser on the night / potential tie winner in the 116th minute0
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Happy for Karl Robinson at Salford. Off to Wembley.2
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At the recent event, the great man said he didn't have an agent whilst with Grimsby and he later found out that clubs had enquired about him and were willing the shell out decent money but Grimsby batted them away and didn't tell him. Nowadays clubs would probably go straight to the player. What resulted in him moving to us was a double whammy of Clive being out of contract with no desire to play in the third division (He knew he was too good for that and still had had a decent season) and him getting direct approaches. Sunderland made an approach with Peter Reid telling him they were going to sign him, then that went dead and we came in for him. Clive said he knew we played in a way that suited his game and the rest is history.Sword65pf said:Just switched onto the Grimsby game, can’t help but think what an absolute bargain Mendonca was at the time and how we don’t see so many of that type of player much anymore, still amazes me nobody else had taken a punt on him before us, he was absolute class and probably goes down as one of our best ever signings… oh and then we pair him up with Andy Hunt who IMO was possibly a bit underrated, both really clever enjoyable players to watch.3 -
MarcusH26 said:We've got another Spygate! Boro found one of Southampton's analysts hiding in the bushes at their Training Ground...
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What's it got to do with the Spanners?...oh, it's a big club called MFC.clive said:
There will be a final on the set date because there is too much money involved. Tickets, hospitality and of course TV for it not to.1 -
There is apparently a contingency plan in place for it to be moved to Tuesday 26th May.Henry Irving said:
What's it got to do with the Spanners?...oh, it's a big club called MFC.clive said:
There will be a final on the set date because there is too much money involved. Tickets, hospitality and of course TV for it not to.
Not really sure what moving it back 3 days will achieve, although i guess the clubs and 80k fans will need time to make new travel arrangements.0 -
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If it's Hull vs Boro, Tuesday would be awful for their fans.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There is apparently a contingency plan in place for it to be moved to Tuesday 26th May.Henry Irving said:
What's it got to do with the Spanners?...oh, it's a big club called MFC.clive said:
There will be a final on the set date because there is too much money involved. Tickets, hospitality and of course TV for it not to.
Not really sure what moving it back 3 days will achieve, although i guess the clubs and 80k fans will need time to make new travel arrangements.4 -
I would imagine the footballing authorities will spend precisely zero seconds considering the impact that any outcome may have on supporters.killerandflash said:
If it's Hull vs Boro, Tuesday would be awful for their fans.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There is apparently a contingency plan in place for it to be moved to Tuesday 26th May.Henry Irving said:
What's it got to do with the Spanners?...oh, it's a big club called MFC.clive said:
There will be a final on the set date because there is too much money involved. Tickets, hospitality and of course TV for it not to.
Not really sure what moving it back 3 days will achieve, although i guess the clubs and 80k fans will need time to make new travel arrangements.16 -
100%. If it is Hull v Boro it'd probably be better to hold the final at somewhere like Old Trafford instead.killerandflash said:
If it's Hull vs Boro, Tuesday would be awful for their fans.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There is apparently a contingency plan in place for it to be moved to Tuesday 26th May.Henry Irving said:
What's it got to do with the Spanners?...oh, it's a big club called MFC.clive said:
There will be a final on the set date because there is too much money involved. Tickets, hospitality and of course TV for it not to.
Not really sure what moving it back 3 days will achieve, although i guess the clubs and 80k fans will need time to make new travel arrangements.
Of course they won't though, as they won't care about the fans. It'll seriously impact attendance as i can't imagine 80k fans getting the time off work to make it down for a midweek game at short notice.
Let's hope it is the Saturday as planned, but if the verdict doesn't come until Tuesday and then there are potential appeals, surely that is doubtful?2 -
Grimsby lose to the better all round team in Salford who'll play Notts Co in the final. Both Notts and Chesterfield are i m o clubs who play good football. The final will be close, as any final should be1
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Perhaps if the decision isn't going to come by the time the game is played then play it. If Hull win then the only decision would be how many points to deduct / fine Southampton for next season. If Southampton win and they are guilty then just award the win to Hull0
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CheshireAddick said:Perhaps if the decision isn't going to come by the time the game is played then play it. If Hull win then the only decision would be how many points to deduct / fine Southampton for next season. If Southampton win and they are guilty then just award the win to Hull
But what about Boro?3 -
It works against Hull as they have to prepare to face Saints or Boro whereas those two only have to prepare to face Hull. But this also shows why Saints should be kicked out IMO. Preparation is important and there was interference in this from Saints which breached an important rule. I think if it comes out they have done this over the course of the season, they should also be relegated to league one and swap places with Oxford.2
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I think if found guilty then they should be demoted to League Two and start the season with a sizeable points deduction. What they have done if it proven is out and out utter cheating of the highest order. If guilty they cannot be allowed to progress to The Premier League.MuttleyCAFC said:It works against Hull as they have to prepare to face Saints or Boro whereas those two only have to prepare to face Hull. But this also shows why Saints should be kicked out IMO. Preparation is important and there was interference in this from Saints which breached an important rule. I think if it comes out they have done this over the course of the season, they should also be relegated to league one and swap places with Oxford.2 -
If found guilty, the outcome must be sufficiently punitive to deter any repetition.A simple slap on the wrist fine would merely condone the actions and not act as a deterrent.3
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I’ll take Southampton having a -30 point start in the champ next season pls1
