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  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,792
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Scoham said:
    That’s right, those on this list haven’t been mentioned as they’re 1st years moving to 2nd year u18s next season. By the summer if not already they’ll be 17 so the club can offer pro deals if they want to.

    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/first-year-scholars-confirmed-202526

    Richman’s the obvious one to get signed up.

    Ezenwata’s not on there as he’s the year below, so can’t sign pro until he turns 17 later on next season.

    I would put money on Ezenwata leaving this summer.  Highly thought of, already trained with the first team; his brother went to Chelsea I think last summer at a time we lost about 5-6 of our kids up and down the country.

    In years gone by I would have watched on with some excitement to see if he made it with us, now it's not worth getting too interested sadly.
    Do we get any compensation, either directly now or in his career as he moves between clubs for a fee?
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,080
    Kap10 said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Scoham said:
    That’s right, those on this list haven’t been mentioned as they’re 1st years moving to 2nd year u18s next season. By the summer if not already they’ll be 17 so the club can offer pro deals if they want to.

    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/first-year-scholars-confirmed-202526

    Richman’s the obvious one to get signed up.

    Ezenwata’s not on there as he’s the year below, so can’t sign pro until he turns 17 later on next season.

    I would put money on Ezenwata leaving this summer.  Highly thought of, already trained with the first team; his brother went to Chelsea I think last summer at a time we lost about 5-6 of our kids up and down the country.

    In years gone by I would have watched on with some excitement to see if he made it with us, now it's not worth getting too interested sadly.
    Do we get any compensation, either directly now or in his career as he moves between clubs for a fee?
    Usually you get a compensation fee and then there may be bonuses based on if they make international or first team appearances for that club.

    the only way you would get a fee for them moving between clubs afterwards is if they transfer between two international clubs like when we got money for Lookman when he went from Atalanta to Atletico Madrid as part of fifa solidarity payments 
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,402
    lordromford said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 

    You can thank the imbecile, Ged Roddy for it.  Same bloke that forgot to future proof the whole EPPP system, so fixed payments for players are not even linked to inflation. 
    The fact we then employed him to fail to get around his own rules for us to get CAT1 still boils my piss.  We also of course handed a contract to his son, now playing at a bottom end Tier 6 team.  Remarkable.
    Answered tonight. Charlton have paid for access to the University of Greenwich covered pitch next door.
    Does this mean we’ll be assessed for Cat 1 status soon?
    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,347
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 

    You can thank the imbecile, Ged Roddy for it.  Same bloke that forgot to future proof the whole EPPP system, so fixed payments for players are not even linked to inflation. 
    The fact we then employed him to fail to get around his own rules for us to get CAT1 still boils my piss.  We also of course handed a contract to his son, now playing at a bottom end Tier 6 team.  Remarkable.
    Answered tonight. Charlton have paid for access to the University of Greenwich covered pitch next door.
    Does this mean we’ll be assessed for Cat 1 status soon?
    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,402
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 

    You can thank the imbecile, Ged Roddy for it.  Same bloke that forgot to future proof the whole EPPP system, so fixed payments for players are not even linked to inflation. 
    The fact we then employed him to fail to get around his own rules for us to get CAT1 still boils my piss.  We also of course handed a contract to his son, now playing at a bottom end Tier 6 team.  Remarkable.
    Answered tonight. Charlton have paid for access to the University of Greenwich covered pitch next door.
    Does this mean we’ll be assessed for Cat 1 status soon?
    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    I guess you wouldn't have reached Cat 1 standard then.
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,741
    Did anyone see the Wolves academy guy talking about the academy system in the UK and how massively broken it is? Interesting watch and I’m sure someone will be able to find and post it.  
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 765
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,402
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
  • gringo
    gringo Posts: 1,036
    Crusty54 said:
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
    Cant see the problem, we must have someone on the forum who could sort this out pronto?!

  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,402
    gringo said:
    Crusty54 said:
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
    Cant see the problem, we must have someone on the forum who could sort this out pronto?!

    It's clear that people on here aren't serious about Cat 1 status.

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,837
    Crusty54 said:
    gringo said:
    Crusty54 said:
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
    Cant see the problem, we must have someone on the forum who could sort this out pronto?!

    It's clear that people on here aren't serious about Cat 1 status.
    Not at all, it's simply TWO people making daft/joking comments.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,472
    Covered End said:
    Crusty54 said:
    gringo said:
    Crusty54 said:
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
    Cant see the problem, we must have someone on the forum who could sort this out pronto?!

    It's clear that people on here aren't serious about Cat 1 status.
    Not at all, it's simply TWO people making daft/joking comments.
    Too run a grade 1 academy will cost around five million pounds a year, not including the cost of improving the facilities, that would seem to me a long way off before we can afford that.
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 501
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 
    What's happened to the bubble thing at sparrows farm that we used to use? Or have the University of Greenwich given it to palace?
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    lordromford said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 

    You can thank the imbecile, Ged Roddy for it.  Same bloke that forgot to future proof the whole EPPP system, so fixed payments for players are not even linked to inflation. 
    The fact we then employed him to fail to get around his own rules for us to get CAT1 still boils my piss.  We also of course handed a contract to his son, now playing at a bottom end Tier 6 team.  Remarkable.
    Answered tonight. Charlton have paid for access to the University of Greenwich covered pitch next door.
    Does this mean we’ll be assessed for Cat 1 status soon?
    how come we lost access to it in the first place? can't just be that holding us back surely? 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    SteveACS said:
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
    100% - easy for me to say but if our billionaire owners can stump up £5m and get us Cat 1(sure its not that simple), they will reap returns on that over and over. And if they can f**k the university of greenwich over in the process and force then to relocate to croydon, that will be an added bonus.     
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,775
    DOUCHER said:
    SteveACS said:
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
    100% - easy for me to say but if our billionaire owners can stump up £5m and get us Cat 1(sure its not that simple), they will reap returns on that over and over. And if they can f**k the university of greenwich over in the process and force then to relocate to croydon, that will be an added bonus.     
    That's right, let's alienate our academy front of shirt sponsor!
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,782
    fenaddick said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SteveACS said:
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
    100% - easy for me to say but if our billionaire owners can stump up £5m and get us Cat 1(sure its not that simple), they will reap returns on that over and over. And if they can f**k the university of greenwich over in the process and force then to relocate to croydon, that will be an added bonus.     
    That's right, let's alienate our academy front of shirt sponsor!
    Don't they have a tie up with palace? outrageous - should be turfed off into the long grass
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,080
    SteveACS said:
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
    We’re also spending 2M on the academy as it is, if it does cost an extra 3M that’s still probably in our best interest and worth it to stop our best youngsters getting poached, improving our current youngsters further and being a bigger attraction to good youngsters as well
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,347
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Fortunately, I couldn’t, but they let me in anyway. 

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  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,347
    Covered End said:
    Crusty54 said:
    gringo said:
    Crusty54 said:
    wolfgang said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Crusty54 said:
    lordromford said:

    There are other things that need to happen. Amongst them extra classrooms and changing facilities for female officials. Still a work in progress.
    When I used to referee the Uni netball team, they didn’t provide me with separate changing facilities. 
    If you can provide medical proof that you are a eunuch, you are allowed to use the female changing facilities.
    Why the stupid comments? There are no facilities for female officials at Sparrows Lane. They will be needed to get Cat 1 status.
    Cant see the problem, we must have someone on the forum who could sort this out pronto?!

    It's clear that people on here aren't serious about Cat 1 status.
    Not at all, it's simply TWO people making daft/joking comments.
    And I’m very serious about obtaining cat 1, but it’s totally out of my hands, whereas making daft/joking comments…
  • scruffle
    scruffle Posts: 2,391
    Crispywood said:
    SteveACS said:
    £5 million to upgrade to cat 1, is better than spending £10 million on a player who could be a dud...
    We’re also spending 2M on the academy as it is, if it does cost an extra 3M that’s still probably in our best interest and worth it to stop our best youngsters getting poached, improving our current youngsters further and being a bigger attraction to good youngsters as well
    Being Cat 1 does not stop our top talent being poached, any cat 1 can still poach anyone else in cat 1's youngsters, we'd just get a slightly higher fee. However it makes it easier to poach from cat 2 or cat 3 academies
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 1,209
    edited May 18
    Why can't kids sign a contract for us at 15/16? They can for Sainsburys. 

    Even if it means parental permission. PL have our pants down but surely EFL can independently change their rules?

    I can't see any restrictions in UK employment laws for a 17 yo cut off when players aren't technically adults until 18, although many laws are 16.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,775
    Gisappointed said:
    Why can't kids sign a contract for us at 15/16? They can for Sainsburys. 

    Even if it means parental permission. PL have our pants down but surely EFL can independently change their rules?

    I can't see any restrictions in UK employment laws for a 17 yo cut off when players aren't technically adults until 18, although many laws are 16.
    It’s about needing to be in education too I believe. When on a schoolboy contract we have to provide schooling for them too. Sainsbury’s don’t have to because the 16 year old won’t be able to work during school time
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 1,209
    fenaddick said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Why can't kids sign a contract for us at 15/16? They can for Sainsburys. 

    Even if it means parental permission. PL have our pants down but surely EFL can independently change their rules?

    I can't see any restrictions in UK employment laws for a 17 yo cut off when players aren't technically adults until 18, although many laws are 16.
    It’s about needing to be in education too I believe. When on a schoolboy contract we have to provide schooling for them too. Sainsbury’s don’t have to because the 16 year old won’t be able to work during school time
    You can leave full time education at 16 not 17. You can legally sign up to an apprenticeship (which our yoof effectively are at 16 or earlier, with education) but we can't get them on a binding contract. Why? 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,775
    Gisappointed said:
    fenaddick said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Why can't kids sign a contract for us at 15/16? They can for Sainsburys. 

    Even if it means parental permission. PL have our pants down but surely EFL can independently change their rules?

    I can't see any restrictions in UK employment laws for a 17 yo cut off when players aren't technically adults until 18, although many laws are 16.
    It’s about needing to be in education too I believe. When on a schoolboy contract we have to provide schooling for them too. Sainsbury’s don’t have to because the 16 year old won’t be able to work during school time
    You can leave full time education at 16 not 17. You can legally sign up to an apprenticeship (which our yoof effectively are at 16 or earlier, with education) but we can't get them on a binding contract. Why? 
    Aren’t the schoolboy papers the apprenticeship equivalent? 
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 1,209
    edited May 18
    The 17 yo cut off rather than 15 is killing EFL sides, while PL like Chelsea build up 150-200 well paid kids, basically punts on loan.

    Is it an EFL issue or a UK employment shortcoming?

    We are getting robbed by PL.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,080
    fenaddick said:
    Gisappointed said:
    fenaddick said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Why can't kids sign a contract for us at 15/16? They can for Sainsburys. 

    Even if it means parental permission. PL have our pants down but surely EFL can independently change their rules?

    I can't see any restrictions in UK employment laws for a 17 yo cut off when players aren't technically adults until 18, although many laws are 16.
    It’s about needing to be in education too I believe. When on a schoolboy contract we have to provide schooling for them too. Sainsbury’s don’t have to because the 16 year old won’t be able to work during school time
    You can leave full time education at 16 not 17. You can legally sign up to an apprenticeship (which our yoof effectively are at 16 or earlier, with education) but we can't get them on a binding contract. Why? 
    Aren’t the schoolboy papers the apprenticeship equivalent? 
    Yh they are I think schoolboys at 16 can get scholarships from 16-17 and get paid a proper youth contract which I think offers some sort of protection and they can sign on professional terms at 17 
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,402
    DOUCHER said:
    Chunes said:
    jose said:
    I am looking forward to the webinar this evening.
    The talk at the Hull game last Saturday was that the thing stopping us getting top grade Academy status (which would offer us some protection from vultures) was not having an indoor football pitch.
    My response to that is in terms of success and players who graduate, Charlton Athletic can hardly do any more, or any better.
    If it is really about an indoor pitch is there one ‘nearby’ we could hire?
    Or is it about money? Not long ago Brentford didn’t even run an academy, now they have been granted top status.
    We demonstrably have one of the best academies in the country and the fact we can't get Category One status because we don't have an indoor pitch just shows how ridiculous this system is. 
    What's happened to the bubble thing at sparrows farm that we used to use? Or have the University of Greenwich given it to palace?
    As I said up thread the covered pitch belongs to the University of Greenwich but Charlton have paid access to use it.
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 1,209
    Doesn't work when Chelsea can sign a 15 yo starlet with his brother vunerable.

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