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Anyone else need a break from football after a season of Nathan Jones ball.
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It does feel like this is the least-anticipated World Cup of my lifetime, but it's got nothing to do with Nathan Jones.4
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I very much agree.Chunes said:It does feel like this is the least-anticipated World Cup of my lifetime, but it's got nothing to do with Nathan Jones.2 -
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.
i am not saying NJ out or anything remotely like that. But, let’s be honest our limited budget, could hardly be considered to have been well spent. A next season I already anticipate, the presence of 35 year old Matty Godden will be key. There is nothing stopping a squad of Average ability making a very good team.
Hull season 25/26 Transfer spend £750.000 income
Charlton season 25/26 Transfer spend £13.92 million. (Source-planet football)
Our wage bill was just under £10 million lowest in the Leauge. Coventry was just over £12 million the 4th lowest in the Leauge. Just examples of not excepting, low transfer and small wage budget means you can,t achieve.3 -
So that means we should've done better than staying up?RaplhMilne said:
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.0 -
Covered End said:RaplhMilne said:Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season.Absolutely - Kante, Mahrez and Vardy might have made our bench but no more.Nurse! NURSE!8
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Really, the actual Leauge position outside relegation/promotion means another season in the Championship. My, comments refer to our lack of the basic skills in the game. Crosses and corners that never, get past the first man, or go flying high and wide over everybody. Forwards who can’t score, basic goal keeping errors leaking goals etc etc.8
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Nonsense deflection after silly Leicester comparison.RaplhMilne said:Really, the actual Leauge position outside relegation/promotion means another season in the Championship. My, comments refer to our lack of the basic skills in the game. Crosses and corners that never, get past the first man, or go flying high and wide over everybody. Forwards who can’t score, basic goal keeping errors leaking goals etc etc.
We weren't as good as most teams over the whole season but better than five others.
We took points off all of the top six and when we were good we made the top six ourselves.
It didn't last as we had injuries and not enough strength in depth but that's what a bottom three budget gets you.
We stayed up so job done.
Most other teams have had multiple years at this level to build a squad; we had a couple of months.
We need to improve the quality of the squad, we know it, the board know it and Jones has said it.24 -
Such a silly point to make because it completely ignores that we had to add to a L1 team and the other teams around us have had years to build their squads. Aside from the fact our transfer spend on Planet Football is listed in Euros, so it's actually more like £11.8m, Hull weren't able to spend much this season because of their own behaviour but the season before they spent £27m on transfers. £10m before that and £10m the season before that. Around £50m spent to get to the point they were at at the start of this season. Coventry have spent over £60m on transfers in the last 3 seasons. Comparing established teams' spend when they have built a squad over years to a newly promoted team's is so short-sighted it's an irrelevance.RaplhMilne said:
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.
i am not saying NJ out or anything remotely like that. But, let’s be honest our limited budget, could hardly be considered to have been well spent. A next season I already anticipate, the presence of 35 year old Matty Godden will be key. There is nothing stopping a squad of Average ability making a very good team.
Hull season 25/26 Transfer spend £750.000 income
Charlton season 25/26 Transfer spend £13.92 million. (Source-planet football)
Our wage bill was just under £10 million lowest in the Leauge. Coventry was just over £12 million the 4th lowest in the Leauge. Just examples of not excepting, low transfer and small wage budget means you can,t achieve.16 -
I admit the football wasn't the most 'attractive' but if Jones had tried to play attractive football with this squad, we would have been second bottom by Christmas and he would have been sacked.
If his replacement had tried to continue to play attractive football with this squad, we would have gone down.
If his replacement reverted to playing Nathan-ball as we have seen this year, we may have just scraped our way out of the relegation places and this new manager would have been heralded as a pragmatic genius with supporters questioning why Jones thought we could play like Brazil in the first place.12 -
I can't see anywhere that says this?RaplhMilne said:
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.
i am not saying NJ out or anything remotely like that. But, let’s be honest our limited budget, could hardly be considered to have been well spent. A next season I already anticipate, the presence of 35 year old Matty Godden will be key. There is nothing stopping a squad of Average ability making a very good team.
Hull season 25/26 Transfer spend £750.000 income
Charlton season 25/26 Transfer spend £13.92 million. (Source-planet football)
Our wage bill was just under £10 million lowest in the Leauge. Coventry was just over £12 million the 4th lowest in the Leauge. Just examples of not excepting, low transfer and small wage budget means you can,t achieve.
Keiran Maguire says their wage bill was 26m (and posted their accounts to show this).
https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/20508422349252817483 -
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Its almost as if we've been sh1t and badly run for 2 decades and we've got lots of catching up to do, both on and off the pitch.15
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Nice to have a break from the football in the summer - other things to do - looking forward to seeing how we develop the squad over the next few months and looking forward to the world cup - hopefully won't have as many thinking we should be winning it and laying all blame on Kayne like 2 years ago, for not. I think we are far from favourites but, like probably the last decade, we have a chance.1
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My thoughts are with SELR_ADDICKS who has still got two weeks of the season left4
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I do need the summer break from football, I'll watch very little of the world cup or whatever is being played, but when Charlton resume it's game on.0
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And Hull had a partial transfer embargo.Garrymanilow said:
Such a silly point to make because it completely ignores that we had to add to a L1 team and the other teams around us have had years to build their squads. Aside from the fact our transfer spend on Planet Football is listed in Euros, so it's actually more like £11.8m, Hull weren't able to spend much this season because of their own behaviour but the season before they spent £27m on transfers. £10m before that and £10m the season before that. Around £50m spent to get to the point they were at at the start of this season. Coventry have spent over £60m on transfers in the last 3 seasons. Comparing established teams' spend when they have built a squad over years to a newly promoted team's is so short-sighted it's an irrelevance.RaplhMilne said:
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.
i am not saying NJ out or anything remotely like that. But, let’s be honest our limited budget, could hardly be considered to have been well spent. A next season I already anticipate, the presence of 35 year old Matty Godden will be key. There is nothing stopping a squad of Average ability making a very good team.
Hull season 25/26 Transfer spend £750.000 income
Charlton season 25/26 Transfer spend £13.92 million. (Source-planet football)
Our wage bill was just under £10 million lowest in the Leauge. Coventry was just over £12 million the 4th lowest in the Leauge. Just examples of not excepting, low transfer and small wage budget means you can,t achieve.0 -
I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.1
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Lloyd Jones, Kayne Ramsay (Not Jacob Ramsey 😤) and Amari'i Bell all need a break as they were overworked and their bodies are knackered.
Carey needs a break as he's been emulating Frankel, the great horse who has been working overtime at stud.
No wonder Sonny was shooting blanks for the last 12 games!
NJ needs a break for his finger nails to grow.
I love Cricket, Athletics, Horse racing, Rugby, Tennis so I do need a couple of weeks break but saying that I can't see any window for a break with the World cup.
I don't intend to watch as many games this time but I've said that before.
I hope it doesn't resemble the low standard of many African nation matches played at a walking pace.
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Apart from England who will disapoint at some stage, I am trawling around for a WC team that closely adheres to the principals of Nathanball. Then the transition from this season will be seemless. If that team can get to the later rounds, nicking 1-1 draws of 1-0 wins all the better!0
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Very much you were deflecting. You went from "we had a squad as good as leicester" to "what I really meant was the players were crap". You were wrong both times, wrong on the Coventry wages, wrong on pretty much everything.RaplhMilne said:I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.
No one disagreed that underdogs can achieve success.
But your measure of success was absurdly silly.
You even admitted that Leicester had a season fighting relegation before they won the league so what Charlton just did. And no, I don't expect us to win the league next season.2 -
RaplhMilne said:I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.
You took a battering there but you're still standing even if your face looks like Fabio Wardley after the Daniel Dubois fight. I admire your spirit.
You were definitely right about Leicester being underdogs that season as their betting price showed but with Marez, Vardy, Kante being at peek form and Drinkwater having a brilliant season setting up Vardy. Kasper Schmeichel also had a great shot stopping campaign.
You lost your audience when you compared Charlton to the 2015/16 Premier winners; that is a hard sell.
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Did you take into account Hull already had players like Giles, Hughes, Belloumi already in their squad, and probably had to offer Mcburnie 25k a week and a fat bonus to get them to sign him.RaplhMilne said:
They had a previous season where they played above themselves to avoid relegation. Then with a squad most people believed were favourites to be relegated (smallest Premier budget) they won the Premiership the following year. Un fancied, relegation favourites, small budget, unfashionable club. But, rose above that to succeed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm going to need a bit more of an explanation on this one.RaplhMilne said:I struggle with the fact that so many of us feel that the target, and success was 4th from bottom. If Nathan had been interviewed for the role at start of last season as a new manager, and said my aim is to finish 4th from bottom. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have got the job. Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season. I’m not saying I expect to win the Leauge, but was very disappointed with the way we fell away, and the matches were largely lacking entertainment. It wasn’t a great watch. However, we get another season in championship, but god I hope it’s better to watch than this one was.
i am not saying NJ out or anything remotely like that. But, let’s be honest our limited budget, could hardly be considered to have been well spent. A next season I already anticipate, the presence of 35 year old Matty Godden will be key. There is nothing stopping a squad of Average ability making a very good team.
Hull season 25/26 Transfer spend £750.000 income
Charlton season 25/26 Transfer spend £13.92 million. (Source-planet football)
Our wage bill was just under £10 million lowest in the Leauge. Coventry was just over £12 million the 4th lowest in the Leauge. Just examples of not excepting, low transfer and small wage budget means you can,t achieve.
Is it possible to over exceed with a Lower wage budget and not spending huge amounts obviously, but that 8.6M we spend this season (rest spread across multiple years) is what it would have took to even give us a slight chance as our team was probably 100x worse than the rest of the championship at the end of the L1 season0 -
You can always pop into the Charlton shop while you're down there......oh,wait........gmantaxi said:No , because the wife will now start getting silly ideas of going to bluewater etc ….0 -
No, watching any/all football I can get my hands on, and looking forward to Canada v Bosnia and any/all other “obscure” matches coming up at the WC. But will be avoiding any pre-match or half-time shows or any sight of the world’s greatest sycophant. A break from the Championship is welcome, but nothing to do with our style of football; already looking forward to August, meeting up in The Pilot pre-match and supporting what will hopefully be an improved squad.2
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No missing it already, for me I’ve always gone to games on my own, with my dad but now being able to enjoy the special time with my son watching the team I love, and seeing him actually get it and go mental when we score, makes me miss it even more. No matter the result it’s precious time spent, win ,lose or draw.5
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So simply put, so spot-on.shine166 said:Its almost as if we've been sh1t and badly run for 2 decades and we've got lots of catching up to do, both on and off the pitch.0 -
We cant ignore the fact that £3m Apter barely got a start on loan to a lower division. Ditto Olaofe, and Ahadme although he was injured.
JRC, Knibbs, Burke, Gillesphey were invisible and Kaminsky/Cullen/Dykes/Berry/Doc failed to earn their big wages. Neither loanee WB earned a contract offer.
That is a lot of our squad on the scrapheap, without digging out our kids and free transfers.0 -
Utter bollocks….. at no point did I say we had a squad as good as Leicester… what’s your fucking problem with me…. ??? My point was that low budget and relegation favourite side, doesn’t have to mean you should expect and be shit. Leicester proved that. I humbled myself, but you can’t take that and let it go. What is your fucking problem.Henry Irving said:
Very much you were deflecting. You went from "we had a squad as good as leicester" to "what I really meant was the players were crap". You were wrong both times, wrong on the Coventry wages, wrong on pretty much everything.RaplhMilne said:I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.
No one disagreed that underdogs can achieve success.
But your measure of success was absurdly silly.
You even admitted that Leicester had a season fighting relegation before they won the league so what Charlton just did. And no, I don't expect us to win the league next season.Was staying up a success, yes. Could we have finished higher, I believe so. Will we get promoted next year. Almost certainly not, but I’d like to start with the believe, it might, just might be possible. An that’s what fans of every club start the season with. Obviously except you… !2 -
Calm down, calm downRaplhMilne said:
Utter bollocks….. at no point did I say we had a squad as good as Leicester… what’s your fucking problem with me…. ??? My point was that low budget and relegation favourite side, doesn’t have to mean you should expect and be shit. Leicester proved that. I humbled myself, but you can’t take that and let it go. What is your fucking problem.Henry Irving said:
Very much you were deflecting. You went from "we had a squad as good as leicester" to "what I really meant was the players were crap". You were wrong both times, wrong on the Coventry wages, wrong on pretty much everything.RaplhMilne said:I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.
No one disagreed that underdogs can achieve success.
But your measure of success was absurdly silly.
You even admitted that Leicester had a season fighting relegation before they won the league so what Charlton just did. And no, I don't expect us to win the league next season.Was staying up a success, yes. Could we have finished higher, I believe so. Will we get promoted next year. Almost certainly not, but I’d like to start with the believe, it might, just might be possible. An that’s what fans of every club start the season with. Obviously except you… !0 -
RaplhMilne said:
Utter bollocks….. at no point did I say we had a squad as good as LeicesterHenry Irving said:
Very much you were deflecting. You went from "we had a squad as good as leicester" to "what I really meant was the players were crap". You were wrong both times, wrong on the Coventry wages, wrong on pretty much everything.RaplhMilne said:I withdraw with my arse well and truly smacked ….. A still stand by my case that Leicester showing that an underdog, can achieve success with shrewd signings and a great team spirit. So there go Henry no DEFLECTING but re-affirming.
No one disagreed that underdogs can achieve success.
But your measure of success was absurdly silly.
You even admitted that Leicester had a season fighting relegation before they won the league so what Charlton just did. And no, I don't expect us to win the league next season.0 -
RaplhMilne said:Leicester, won the Premier with a squad that equated to ours of last season.9
