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EFL Playoffs 25/26 (Saints booted out of final and given 4 point deduction - pg34)
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Surely that is not a great thing to have said. They need to read the room - is it arrogance or ignorance or both?eastterrace6168 said:Southampton's owner on Radio Solent this morning saying he has no intention of sacking as he called him " a great manager who made a mistake", talk about deluded, he should be sacked now, and given a ban on managing in England again...2 -
No awareness, remorse or empathy from Southampton in any of this. I find their response frankly ridiculous & in my opinion it's making them quite unlikeable12
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Genuine question. What power does The FA have to sanction Southampton ? I can see that they could disqualify Eckert from the English game for a period but what power does they have to further punish Southampton ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
Southampton admitted the offence(s)ShootersHillGuru said:My gut feeling is that this is going to fizzle out and Southampton get away with their already received punishment. I doubt we’re going to get a whistle blower come forward now. Someone sticking their head above the parapet would almost certainly ensure that any job in football is finished. Eckert isn’t going to say anything other than I didn’t knowit was against the rules.honest guv. Their owner seems very arrogant. Southampton have had weeks to cover their tracks.
The EFL took appropriate and very public action
On the back of above, the FA opened its own case. They probably wouldn’t have had any choice in that if they hadn’t taken action but it wouldn’t surprise me if they and the EFL were/are working in tandem on this. The FA can hardly let this ‘fizzle out’ but I doubt they would want to pass up on the opportunity. This one is probably going to run. If there is more to it then it will come out.0 -
I'm not sure if they can further punish the club, my understanding was that they were only looking at individuals because the EFL can only punish clubs.ShootersHillGuru said:
Genuine question. What power does The FA have to sanction Southampton ? I can see that they could disqualify Eckert from the English game for a period but what power does they have to further punish Southampton ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
Southampton admitted the offence(s)ShootersHillGuru said:My gut feeling is that this is going to fizzle out and Southampton get away with their already received punishment. I doubt we’re going to get a whistle blower come forward now. Someone sticking their head above the parapet would almost certainly ensure that any job in football is finished. Eckert isn’t going to say anything other than I didn’t knowit was against the rules.honest guv. Their owner seems very arrogant. Southampton have had weeks to cover their tracks.
The EFL took appropriate and very public action
On the back of above, the FA opened its own case. They probably wouldn’t have had any choice in that if they hadn’t taken action but it wouldn’t surprise me if they and the EFL were/are working in tandem on this. The FA can hardly let this ‘fizzle out’ but I doubt they would want to pass up on the opportunity. This one is probably going to run. If there is more to it then it will come out.1 -
Not a good look for Saints. If he genuinely thought it was ok to spy why didn’t he send a more senior member of staff and why the Eastleigh disguise and hiding behind trees? He repeatedly pressured junior members of staff and was evasive when questioned. If he thought it was ok one assumes he did it for every game. I wouldn’t want him at our club. If he stays it becomes a sideshow for every game they play next season.10
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But if you were that individual, you’ve already admitted the incidences where you ‘inadvertently’ broke the rules and were looking at being sanctioned anyway, or whatever, for those infractions, wouldn’t you want to mention anything else now (if there is anything else of course) so that it clears the decks and they can’t come back and sanction you again and possibly more heavily at a later date ?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm not sure if they can further punish the club, my understanding was that they were only looking at individuals because the EFL can only punish clubs.ShootersHillGuru said:
Genuine question. What power does The FA have to sanction Southampton ? I can see that they could disqualify Eckert from the English game for a period but what power does they have to further punish Southampton ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
Southampton admitted the offence(s)ShootersHillGuru said:My gut feeling is that this is going to fizzle out and Southampton get away with their already received punishment. I doubt we’re going to get a whistle blower come forward now. Someone sticking their head above the parapet would almost certainly ensure that any job in football is finished. Eckert isn’t going to say anything other than I didn’t knowit was against the rules.honest guv. Their owner seems very arrogant. Southampton have had weeks to cover their tracks.
The EFL took appropriate and very public action
On the back of above, the FA opened its own case. They probably wouldn’t have had any choice in that if they hadn’t taken action but it wouldn’t surprise me if they and the EFL were/are working in tandem on this. The FA can hardly let this ‘fizzle out’ but I doubt they would want to pass up on the opportunity. This one is probably going to run. If there is more to it then it will come out.
that’s where it could get interesting for the club, or not of course as the case may be
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I wonder if the junior member of staff that the intern said had been pushed out will have been asked to spy and, hopefully, give evidence?0
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Eckert's quite a frightening little man isn't he? That 'personal message' was 2 minutes of a clearly not sorry man giving the most dead-eyed apology while excusing himself from any wrongdoing. Whoever is doing PR for Southampton needs banning from ever having any interaction with human beings ever again, they clearly can't handle it7
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IF, Tonda Eckert didn't think it was against the rules, why wouldn't he have done it all the time ? There is no smoke without fire and they probably threw in Oxford and Ipswich because they didn't win either of those games ! You would hope the EFL / FA are still investigating. The excuse they used for the Ipswich game was because they were training in Eastleigh. Why send the guy to spy on them in Eastleigh training kit then ? Should have just worn his Southampton tracksuit with a : don't mind me boys I am just checking on your formation and set plays.... carry onChris_from_Sidcup said:I'm also still not buying that it was only Oxford and Ipswich they spied on during the league season, no way they went 4 months without doing it to any other teams. But i don't think anything else has come out about other teams so not much anyone can do.
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eckert probably knows where all the bodies are buried at Southampton, and the owners may be worried he will spill the beans if they sack him.4
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Honestly I despise them all, bringing our game into disrepute.
Arrogant wanker.9 -
Head Coach Tonda Eckert delivers a personal message to Southampton supporters.
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If I were a Southampton supporter I would send Eckert this message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aehwEu8SBSo 1 -
What a bunch of ARSE!!!...Only thing he's sorry about is being found out...JustFloydRoad said:Head Coach Tonda Eckert delivers a personal message to Southampton supporters.2 -
I think there will be more to come out. IMO Saints have done their best to cover up systematic spying by admitting to it only for games that didn't matter and hoping that would be it. If there's a whistle blower somewhere and a much greater degree of espionage is revealed, I can see a much bigger points deduction looming. I imagine the owner was in on it so doesn't want to fire Eckert on the back of something he was complicit in.2
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Eckert "I not going to make excuses but here are a lot of excuses".
The owner said he backs the manager but then says "if he's banned then...." leaving his options open.1 -
I’m having a bit of sport with their ‘fans’ on X.
Their favourite retort is, ‘at least he’s not Nathan Jones’.
I mean seriously? Rent fecking free, it’s hilarious 🤣10 -
'I didn't know it was against the rules, and if I did it doesn't matter because they do it in other countries, and if it does it doesn't count anyway because we didn't gain a sporting advantage'5
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Pompey away is going to be fun for him.4
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Le Tissier has been praising the owner for demonstrating forgiveness. Expediency is the word I’d use!0
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ShootersHillGuru said:
They are a good team and I think Eckert is a good coach so I’d expect playoffs too. However, I don’t think the four points is enough. The deduction should ensure they don’t get promoted next season.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:I can see a siege mentality and playoffs, minimum. Would imagine if the players wanted him gone, he'd be gone already.
Feels a bit hysterical to me. They cheated last season and got a punishment accordingly for that which affected last season (in a huge way). They also have a small punishment of 4 points this season, which could still ultimately be enough to scupper autos/play offs etc.
I don't see why they need punishment on top for the coming season. If it came to light there was further cheating not admitted to then sure, that's a different matter as they will then have been seen to be deliberately obstructive / misleading etc but you can't punish a team because you think they have done it more without any evidence
As for them sticking with their manager, I think it's crazy as I would have thought he has quite possibly lost the dressing room, and if not he definitely will if they get off to a poor start first 5 games. But if the players are onside and supportive then frankly, we all make mistakes and having a boss who has your back and sees through that to the exceptional job you have done usually would be seen as a positive quality.2 -
Sky sports just said, in passing, that Southampton said the intern involved “should have spoken up sooner if he had reservations.”
Now, if this is accurate, it’s pretty obnoxious to effectively blame the most junior member of staff for not dobbing in his bosses.The trouble is, Sky Sports didn’t give any further detail, so I’m not sure that it isn’t just a little bit of sensationalism. It’s not like Sky don’t have form for overdoing a story is it…8 -
Parasites. Guy was put in a horrible situation in what must have been a dream job.lordromford said:Sky sports just said, in passing, that Southampton said the intern involved “should have spoken up sooner if he had reservations.”
Now, if this is accurate, it’s pretty obnoxious to effectively blame the most junior member of staff for not dobbing in his bosses.The trouble is, Sky Sports didn’t give any further detail, so I’m not sure that it isn’t just a little bit of sensationalism. It’s not like Sky don’t have form for overdoing a story is it…8 -
The owner said in his interview recently that if the intern had alerted any member of the SLTlordromford said:Sky sports just said, in passing, that Southampton said the intern involved “should have spoken up sooner if he had reservations.”
Now, if this is accurate, it’s pretty obnoxious to effectively blame the most junior member of staff for not dobbing in his bosses.The trouble is, Sky Sports didn’t give any further detail, so I’m not sure that it isn’t just a little bit of sensationalism. It’s not like Sky don’t have form for overdoing a story is it…
, they would have put a stop to it.Blaming the intern who was pressured to do something he told his managers was wrong is a very poor workplace culture. Hopefully
more to come and a 20pt dedication (for our sakes).16 -
Cheating in sport defeats the whole idea and object of it. You triumph or fail based on your own efforts, skills, strengths and weaknesses. Seeking to gain an unfair advantage to gain success is about a low as you can get. I don’t see much difference in what Southampton or Eckert have done to those sportsman who seek an advantage by using performance enhancing drugs. It’s cheating. Plain and simple. No ifs, no buts. It’s cheating. 100% Southampton should have been denied their playoff final place. They abused Middleboro’s right to a fair playing field. They cheated. Four points deduction next season is in my view paltry. No real punishment at all. I said it earlier in the thread that in my view Southampton needed to be relegated. Eckert disqualified from English football for a long time. I’m sceptical that the only violations were the three games they’ve owned up to. Should it end up being more than that I’d have them kicked out of the league.Athletico Charlton said:ShootersHillGuru said:
They are a good team and I think Eckert is a good coach so I’d expect playoffs too. However, I don’t think the four points is enough. The deduction should ensure they don’t get promoted next season.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:I can see a siege mentality and playoffs, minimum. Would imagine if the players wanted him gone, he'd be gone already.
Feels a bit hysterical to me. They cheated last season and got a punishment accordingly for that which affected last season (in a huge way). They also have a small punishment of 4 points this season, which could still ultimately be enough to scupper autos/play offs etc.
I don't see why they need punishment on top for the coming season. If it came to light there was further cheating not admitted to then sure, that's a different matter as they will then have been seen to be deliberately obstructive / misleading etc but you can't punish a team because you think they have done it more without any evidence
As for them sticking with their manager, I think it's crazy as I would have thought he has quite possibly lost the dressing room, and if not he definitely will if they get off to a poor start first 5 games. But if the players are onside and supportive then frankly, we all make mistakes and having a boss who has your back and sees through that to the exceptional job you have done usually would be seen as a positive quality.4 -
I have no actual proof, but I suspect that Southampton spied on at least a further 18 teams.
If it is a penalty of three points per team, then that would be minus fifty four points plus the four they already have making Southampton start next season on minus 58.
Survival from relegation in that scenario would mean Eckert would have to get 108 points.1 -
Mistakes aren’t equal to cheating though, it’s not a worthy comparison.Athletico Charlton said:ShootersHillGuru said:
They are a good team and I think Eckert is a good coach so I’d expect playoffs too. However, I don’t think the four points is enough. The deduction should ensure they don’t get promoted next season.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:I can see a siege mentality and playoffs, minimum. Would imagine if the players wanted him gone, he'd be gone already.
Feels a bit hysterical to me. They cheated last season and got a punishment accordingly for that which affected last season (in a huge way). They also have a small punishment of 4 points this season, which could still ultimately be enough to scupper autos/play offs etc.
I don't see why they need punishment on top for the coming season. If it came to light there was further cheating not admitted to then sure, that's a different matter as they will then have been seen to be deliberately obstructive / misleading etc but you can't punish a team because you think they have done it more without any evidence
As for them sticking with their manager, I think it's crazy as I would have thought he has quite possibly lost the dressing room, and if not he definitely will if they get off to a poor start first 5 games. But if the players are onside and supportive then frankly, we all make mistakes and having a boss who has your back and sees through that to the exceptional job you have done usually would be seen as a positive quality.5 -
All that "I didn't know" is BS - he was assistant coach at Barnsley for 18 months, which arguably coincided with their best performances for a long time1
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Interestingcafc999 said:All that "I didn't know" is BS - he was assistant coach at Barnsley for 18 months, which arguably coincided with their best performances for a long time1
