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More about bigger fish to fry / more pressing matters for government is my thought.Leroy Ambrose said:
Because if history has taught us one thing, it's that employers always look out for the welfare of their staff unbidden.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
*doffs capYes we can mandate but plenty of other things to do first given how long it takes us to get well structured legislation in place.0 -
On Facebook (yes I know) someone wrote that if any if his employees said they couldn't come in, because it was too hot for them, he would tell them not to come back.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
Working practices are going to have to adapt to hotter summers, employee health and safety should be a priority, but there are employers who don't think that way.
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Ahh there it is the victim mentality. Everyone is out to get you. Definitely. Poor you. No one in the history of the Internet has had it harder.Redskin said:
I knew the route would be paved with the usual hoary old pejorative clichés from the majority view.cantersaddick said:
And yet. Twice now when this thread has been perfectly on topic talking about the weather that day for a couple days you've deliberately tried to take it down this route knowing where it would lead.Redskin said:
If ever there were a case for 'Physician heal thyself' being chanted from every rooftop, this would be it.cantersaddick said:What's weird is every time this happens CE digs out ME14 and brings up the unrelated covid discussions from multiple years ago, even though he can see she's not started any of these conversations. Shes only replied to the 2 trolls who try to be controversial for their own feelings of self importance and who are unhappy the thread has been perfectly on track for 2 days.
I know I'm not important I just paid attention at school.
But the mention of Climate Change had been liberally bandied about until I made any comment, so your insinuation that I've disrupted this thread intentionally simply by having an alternative view to the majority - which is anathema to the Climate Change acolytes - is disingenuous at best.
Forum: a designated space, medium, or assembly where people can exchange ideas, discuss issues, and express opinions.
Not on this forum it isn't. It's the majority view or you're a heretic or worse.
Nothing to do with your views or the majority view. Everything to do with how you participate or rather don't participate in debate. Throwing out a one line statement that is against all evidence and science then claiming to be the victim when others reply with the science and evidence is hardly good quality debate. For years on her a number of posters have tried to politely and positively engage with you. I did for a while before I got fed up. Others still do. Yet you've never engaged with any of their counter arguments or even attempted to refute any of the evidence or offer even a logic for why you don't think the evidence makes your original statement wrong.
Eventually people get fed up with that and just point out you're trolling.1 -
I'm genuinely interested in knowing why, when you admit that there is a majority view on here, as well as the overwhelming majority of climate scientists, you still don't believe in man made climate change.Redskin said:
I knew the route would be paved with the usual hoary old pejorative clichés from the majority view.cantersaddick said:
And yet. Twice now when this thread has been perfectly on topic talking about the weather that day for a couple days you've deliberately tried to take it down this route knowing where it would lead.Redskin said:
If ever there were a case for 'Physician heal thyself' being chanted from every rooftop, this would be it.cantersaddick said:What's weird is every time this happens CE digs out ME14 and brings up the unrelated covid discussions from multiple years ago, even though he can see she's not started any of these conversations. Shes only replied to the 2 trolls who try to be controversial for their own feelings of self importance and who are unhappy the thread has been perfectly on track for 2 days.
I know I'm not important I just paid attention at school.
But the mention of Climate Change had been liberally bandied about until I made any comment, so your insinuation that I've disrupted this thread intentionally simply by having an alternative view to the majority - which is anathema to the Climate Change acolytes - is disingenuous at best.
Forum: a designated space, medium, or assembly where people can exchange ideas, discuss issues, and express opinions.
Not on this forum it isn't. It's the majority view or you're a heretic or worse.0 -
I didn’t suggest not any rogue employers out there.ME14addick said:
On Facebook (yes I know) someone wrote that if any if his employees said they couldn't come in, because it was too hot for them, he would tell them not to come back.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
Working practices are going to have to adapt to hotter summers, employee health and safety should be a priority, but there are employers who don't think that way.I just think that the majority likely behaved well and we have more pressing regulation / changes to prioritise.Not everything is broken to the degree urgent intervention required.
Yes in time it could be useful but a low priority for now unless I’ve missed a whole swathe of rogue businesses.0 -
I'll grant you that, but I'm not sure 'there's a lot of other shit to sort out, let's ignore this shit an hope it sorts itself out' is much of a strategy. People seem to think it's only possible to focus on one thing, rather than many things. Social Media era, innit.valleynick66 said:
More about bigger fish to fry / more pressing matters for government is my thought.Leroy Ambrose said:
Because if history has taught us one thing, it's that employers always look out for the welfare of their staff unbidden.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
*doffs capYes we can mandate but plenty of other things to do first given how long it takes us to get well structured legislation in place.1 -
I wish I shared your optimism.valleynick66 said:
I didn’t suggest not any rogue employers out there.ME14addick said:
On Facebook (yes I know) someone wrote that if any if his employees said they couldn't come in, because it was too hot for them, he would tell them not to come back.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
Working practices are going to have to adapt to hotter summers, employee health and safety should be a priority, but there are employers who don't think that way.I just think that the majority likely behaved well and we have more pressing regulation / changes to prioritise.Not everything is broken to the degree urgent intervention required.
Yes in time it could be useful but a low priority for now unless I’ve missed a whole swathe of rogue businesses.0 -
Yesterday restored my faith in humanity with the heat wave. My car broke down coming off the M11 Harlow roundabout. Three people offered me water on the way. A young lad offered to get to get a tow rope for me. Downers of the day was waiting 6 and a half hours for breakdown to arrive. Finding out my fuel pump had broken. And it's looking like big motoring world miss sold me three years warranty by looks of it online. Can't find out until Monday because obviously they only work Monday to Friday and it's not like breakdowns happen at the weekend1
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I wouldn’t call it a strategy as such.Leroy Ambrose said:
I'll grant you that, but I'm not sure 'there's a lot of other shit to sort out, let's ignore this shit an hope it sorts itself out' is much of a strategy. People seem to think it's only possible to focus on one thing, rather than many things. Social Media era, innit.valleynick66 said:
More about bigger fish to fry / more pressing matters for government is my thought.Leroy Ambrose said:
Because if history has taught us one thing, it's that employers always look out for the welfare of their staff unbidden.valleynick66 said:
Not everything requires legislation or formal instruction of course.ME14addick said:
I feel for you and everyone else who has to work in such heat and humidity.tangoflash said:I'm gonna have a little self-pity rant.
Spare a thought for us HGV drivers that spend all week sleeping in our trucks, making sure essential goods are being delivered up & down the country. Most trucks these days have air con, although speaking to various drivers at my company, many don't work. The problem is that (like your car), it only works when the engine is running. Fitting an air con unit that runs independently is a cost most haulage companies are not willing to pay for. Some drivers opt for simply leaving their engine running all night, which not only is bad for the air quality, but also noise pollution, so you have no choice but to close all windows. Many trucks (like mine) are fitted with an engine cut-out, that switches it off after a few minutes if there's no driver input (brake or accelorator), so leaving it running isn't even an option. One option is to find a lay by with no other trucks, rather than a truck stop, but most companies won't allow us to park in the middle of nowhere if we have a loaded trailer, also, it's not a good idea to park in an unsecure place and have your windows open, so we just lay in our boxes with fans blowing on us, trying to grab at least a couple of hours sleep, before waking up and having the company push you to do a 15hr shift all over again.
It's not a job I'd recommend to any youngsters thinking about doing. I knew I should've paid more attention at school
Employers are going to have to consider the health and wellbeing of employees as these events become more frequent. We have a minimum temperature for working, perhaps consideration should be given to having a safe maximum.Common sense approaches are often enough as we have seen this week with some schools closing early etc.
We are all human and I suspect many employers / line managers were pragmatic this week within the boundaries / constraints they may have. Keeping staff on side is in everyone’s interests. The media outcry for legislation isn’t necessarily needed.I’m not sure I’ve seen many reports of outrageous employer behaviour linked directly to the exceptional circumstances.
*doffs capYes we can mandate but plenty of other things to do first given how long it takes us to get well structured legislation in place.The government have many things to fix and of all those things this scores low given most employers do the right thing on the occasion it impacts.If it’s on the list it will be (rightly) nearer the bottom than the top. That’s all I’m saying.0 -
Yeah, its all the blokes faultME14addick said:
I'm genuinely interested in knowing why, when you admit that there is a majority view on here, as well as the overwhelming majority of climate scientists, you still don't believe in man made climate change.Redskin said:
I knew the route would be paved with the usual hoary old pejorative clichés from the majority view.cantersaddick said:
And yet. Twice now when this thread has been perfectly on topic talking about the weather that day for a couple days you've deliberately tried to take it down this route knowing where it would lead.Redskin said:
If ever there were a case for 'Physician heal thyself' being chanted from every rooftop, this would be it.cantersaddick said:What's weird is every time this happens CE digs out ME14 and brings up the unrelated covid discussions from multiple years ago, even though he can see she's not started any of these conversations. Shes only replied to the 2 trolls who try to be controversial for their own feelings of self importance and who are unhappy the thread has been perfectly on track for 2 days.
I know I'm not important I just paid attention at school.
But the mention of Climate Change had been liberally bandied about until I made any comment, so your insinuation that I've disrupted this thread intentionally simply by having an alternative view to the majority - which is anathema to the Climate Change acolytes - is disingenuous at best.
Forum: a designated space, medium, or assembly where people can exchange ideas, discuss issues, and express opinions.
Not on this forum it isn't. It's the majority view or you're a heretic or worse.
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I actually think its the opposite. The constant platforming of these "ideas" in the name of "balance" is the problem. The BBC has rules about balanced panels, interviews and discussions on the news. A while back they genuinely had a NASA scientist, an astronaut and a bloke who YouTubes about the earth being flat. Similarly when there was a breakthrough in vaccine technology they had a scientist who worked on the research and an anti-vax Facebook mum.CharltonKerry said:Perhaps I’m looking at this in a to simplistic way, but in my opinion a big mistake was for the government BBC etc to stop the anti climate change fraction having a voice, this prevented a debate where they could be challenged, by doing this they forced the anti climate change views underground where some of the more wild claims have blossomed into facts to some. Just saying climate change has been proven dosen’t mean it has to a minority that has now become a larger minority.
Sorry this isn’t a political comment just my own personal opinion where the debate could have been undertaken differently.
The very act of putting these people on the same panel as each other legitimises those ideas in the eyes of those who lack critical thought. It makes them appear as though they are equally valid. When they are not.
If they were to be truly balanced then in the case of climate change it would be for every 97 scientists we have on to talk about climate change we have 3 "I did my own research" types who don't believe it. And yet we have entire "news" channels paid for by the fossil fuel industry telling us it doesn't exist, or if it does it doesn't matter.4 -
I can't like this post enoughcantersaddick said:
I actually think its the opposite. The constant platforming of these "ideas" in the name of "balance" is the problem. The BBC has rules about balanced panels, interviews and discussions on the news. A while back they genuinely had a NASA scientist, an astronaut and a bloke who YouTubes about the earth being flat. Similarly when there was a breakthrough in vaccine technology they had a scientist who worked on the research and an anti-vax Facebook mum.CharltonKerry said:Perhaps I’m looking at this in a to simplistic way, but in my opinion a big mistake was for the government BBC etc to stop the anti climate change fraction having a voice, this prevented a debate where they could be challenged, by doing this they forced the anti climate change views underground where some of the more wild claims have blossomed into facts to some. Just saying climate change has been proven dosen’t mean it has to a minority that has now become a larger minority.
Sorry this isn’t a political comment just my own personal opinion where the debate could have been undertaken differently.
The very act of putting these people on the same panel as each other legitimises those ideas in the eyes of those who lack critical thought. It makes them appear as though they are equally valid. When they are not.
If they were to be truly balanced then in the case of climate change it would be for every 97 scientists we have on to talk about climate change we have 3 "I did my own research" types who don't believe it. And yet we have entire "news" channels paid for by the fossil fuel industry telling us it doesn't exist, or if it does it doesn't matter.2 -
It’s still raining here.
And it rained at the Oval which halted the magnificent start England made in the run chase.
Now the Sky feed has stopped working.So I’m in a shit mood, so stop derailing the thread those who do it every time and tell me about your heatwave ffs.0 -
I'm sitting in my lounge and it is still 28C and very humid. It's been raining but still no cooler indoors.KBslittlesis said:It’s still raining here.
And it rained at the Oval which halted the magnificent start England made in the run chase.
Now the Sky feed has stopped working.So I’m in a shit mood, so stop derailing the thread those who do it every time and tell me about your heatwave ffs.1 -
Of course I REPLIED to ME14, I said I REPLIED to ME14.cantersaddick said:
Umm you mentioned the covid threads in your post on this page at 4:44pm which directly replied to numerous elements of the post by ME14 directly above it.Covered End said:
In the interests of factual correctness, I didn't mention ME14 in my original post.cantersaddick said:What's weird is every time this happens CE digs out ME14 and brings up the unrelated covid discussions from multiple years ago, even though he can see she's not started any of these conversations. Shes only replied to the 2 trolls who try to be controversial for their own feelings of self importance and who are unhappy the thread has been perfectly on track for 2 days.
She responded to my post, assuming that I was referring to her, which I wasn't specifically.
I replied to her, when she quoted my post.
When was the last time I brought up Covid related to ME14?
Look it up and post it thanks.
I'll be very surprised if it was this year.
Just because you didn't hit the quote button doesn't mean you weren't replying to her. You clearly were.
I also said I didn't mention ME14 in my original post and that she replied to my first post, which was not purely aimed at one person ie not just her.
I know you're never wrong, but read what I said.
I doubt you'll apologise though.
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Sorry Canters but climate change enthusiasts like who waffle on but Jet off everywhere are the worst because when the shoe fits it's OK right? I had you living like Tom Hanks from cast away but there you are living the good life pumping those CO2 emissions into the sky warming the planet but everyone else we are the bad ones.
I posted a meme as a joke because of the mass histera with a 4 day heatwave and you and your sidekick Leroy got all upset. Planet Earth has had unpredictable weather since it's creation from ice ages to warming periods and will continue to do so and that is fact If you think otherwise then maybe you aren't as smart you think. It was only in the 1970s that your scientists were predicting an ice age could be coming, how's that going?
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This is like what would happen if I asked ChatGPT to absorb every post written in local Facebook groups by people called 'Terry' and write me a post aggregating them.TD_Addick said:Sorry Canters but climate change enthusiasts like who waffle on but Jet off everywhere are the worst because when the shoe fits it's OK right? I had you living like Tom Hanks from cast away but there you are living the good life pumping those CO2 emissions into the sky warming the planet but everyone else we are the bad ones.
I posted a meme as a joke because of the mass histera with a 4 day heatwave and you and your sidekick Leroy got all upset. Planet Earth has had unpredictable weather since it's creation from ice ages to warming periods and will continue to do so and that is fact If you think otherwise then maybe you aren't as smart you think. It was only in the 1970s that your scientists were predicting an ice age could be coming, how's that going?2
