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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,045
    Might be a blessing in disguise Stokes retiring. Maybe a few of the hierarchy will go with him and the Test team can go back to playing Test cricket over 5 days rather than trying to do it within 4.
  • greenwichred68
    greenwichred68 Posts: 288
    That should be that for Jacob Bethell.Simply not good enough.I hope that the time we play Pakistan Bethell Smith Bashir will never play for England again.Way out of their depth.Bring in a proper keeper and someone who can spin the.ball.
    Looks like another batting collapse for England.We had today and tomorrow to win the test match if we batted sensibly just like Daryl Mitchell did.Just bottled it again.We have been outclassed by New Zealand in the last 2 tests.asimply not good enough.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,903
    edited June 28
    Brain dead cricket to mark the Stokes/McCullum/Key era
    Exactly this, it's some sort of 'look, I'm going out on my terms' thing but it's basically chucking away a series and reminding us why Bazball (after the initial success lifting pressure, and once teams knew how to react to it) was stupid. 

    Half their attack can't bowl!  Stop gifting them wickets!!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,314
    Scoring 373 in this manner has an incredibly low chance of coming off, even if our batting was in prime Bazball batting form.

    We're batting as if we're chasing 170 in 25 overs.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,045
    Can NZ claim the extra half hour ? They way we are playing I think they could get the job done in 30 mins.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,045
    That should be that for Jacob Bethell.Simply not good enough.I hope that the time we play Pakistan Bethell Smith Bashir will never play for England again.Way out of their depth.Bring in a proper keeper and someone who can spin the.ball.
    Looks like another batting collapse for England.We had today and tomorrow to win the test match if we batted sensibly just like Daryl Mitchell did.Just bottled it again.We have been outclassed by New Zealand in the last 2 tests.asimply not good enough.
    Listening to TMS earlier and (I think it was Simon Mann) the question was asked if a team could go back to seeing out a draw over the last 4 sessions like in days gone by, esp as Mitchell had shown you could bat long on it if you just wanted to preserve your wicket. 

    The answer was......its 2026. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,404
    Good to see we've chosen to send the night watchman, Gay, in
  • Miserableoldgit
    Miserableoldgit Posts: 21,836

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,524
    edited June 28
    They aren’t chasing down 373 anyway so the players have decided to do it their own way. I think it’s fairly obvious in that even Root and Gay were looking to be aggressive as the day was coming to a close.

    Can imagine there’s a split behind the scenes between captain & players, and management.
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 9,129
    edited June 28
    Well that was shit quite frankly.

    Thank God for the women's world cup, Kent & Ireland.

    Clear out needed.

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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 10,016
    They aren’t chasing down 373 anyway so the players have decided to do it their own way. I think it’s fairly obvious in that even Root and Gay were looking to be aggressive as the day was coming to a close.

    Can imagine there’s a split behind the scenes between captain & players, and management.
    The end of day interviews will be very interesting. It feels like there's been an absolutely enormous falling out. 
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,391
    PWR

    Pretty dumb time to announce it!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,314
    I'm not sure they need him to get promotion, but a Durham side with Stokes back will be even stronger. Listening to the TMS interview, it did seem that he was much happier back with them, than with England now.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,903
    Great to see Ireland beat India again.

    Matt Holland starring too.
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 395
    New Zealand have been an absolute class apart on and off the field for the whole series. Humility, tactical nous, playing the conditions. 

    Some of our lot could learn some lessons from them. Stokes has been an excellent captain and English Cricket will be worse off without him but the last hour or so was an absolute disgrace from some of our batters and hopefully this is the start of some much needed changes in attitude and mentality.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,903
    I'm not sure they need him to get promotion, but a Durham side with Stokes back will be even stronger. Listening to the TMS interview, it did seem that he was much happier back with them, than with England now.
    Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it does feel a bit cheeky to basically try to make playing for England all about fun - playing golf more than practicing, having a drinking culture, not having any accountability for how you play etc, then as soon as someone suggests a sensible curfew during team time and a bit of a reset on culture, deciding it's more fun playing for Durham/more fun earning money in the IPL etc, and leaving England in the dopey hands of Brook, in all likelihood.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,903
    Would make it clear Stokes has been an amazing player for England on many occasions.
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 395
    I'm not sure they need him to get promotion, but a Durham side with Stokes back will be even stronger. Listening to the TMS interview, it did seem that he was much happier back with them, than with England now.
    Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it does feel a bit cheeky to basically try to make playing for England all about fun - playing golf more than practicing, having a drinking culture, not having any accountability for how you play etc, then as soon as someone suggests a sensible curfew during team time and a bit of a reset on culture, deciding it's more fun playing for Durham/more fun earning money in the IPL etc, and leaving England in the dopey hands of Brook, in all likelihood.
    Couldn't agree more. I am not a huge fan of Key/Mccullum and if they do end up leaving I don't think they can have any complaints. However I do think the whole curfew breach was very difficult for them to deal with and they would have ended up getting pelters no matter what. Ultimately the person responsible for the breach is Stokes and of the many things Key/Mccullum have got wrong I am not convinced this is one of them.

    The whole setup is just so, so unprofessional. Not sure who Is responsible for that but I really hope it changes and soon because it is becoming really tedious to watch talented players throwing it away and treating playing for England like it is some kind of holiday club.

    The last hour today was embarrassing and summed up absolutely everything that is wrong with this side. New Zealand have given everything to this series and it felt like England just couldn't be arsed this evening and were playing like they wanted it over tonight. 




  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 4,219
    New Zealand have been an absolute class apart on and off the field for the whole series. Humility, tactical nous, playing the conditions. 

    Some of our lot could learn some lessons from them. Stokes has been an excellent captain and English Cricket will be worse off without him but the last hour or so was an absolute disgrace from some of our batters and hopefully this is the start of some much needed changes in attitude and mentality.
    I’m not sure that change in attitude/approach going to happen if Brook becomes captain though? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,314
    Trying to justify the batting tonight as taking a chunk out of the target is stretching things somewhat, considering we still have 270 runs to go with 4 wickets gone already.

    A positive approach was the right choice, but just slogging and going for low percentage shots is a 1 in 10 shot.

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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 32,098
    A bit of levity with a quiz question: of all the great Kent players to play for England in test cricket which one has the highest score as an individual?
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 395
    New Zealand have been an absolute class apart on and off the field for the whole series. Humility, tactical nous, playing the conditions. 

    Some of our lot could learn some lessons from them. Stokes has been an excellent captain and English Cricket will be worse off without him but the last hour or so was an absolute disgrace from some of our batters and hopefully this is the start of some much needed changes in attitude and mentality.
    I’m not sure that change in attitude/approach going to happen if Brook becomes captain though? 
    I agree and I don't think they will turn to Brook next. Suspect it will be Root almost in an 'interim' capacity for a year or so until they deem Brook ready or the only other alternative really is Duckett. Not saying I would go for Duckett but who else is there? Wild card might be Bethell but be some statement when he has barely played any cricket.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 32,098
    Could have posted on Kent thread but as Surrey fans and others read and post on the Kent thread I thought it legitimate to post here since the runs were scored for England 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,867
    Best cricketer this country has produced. 
    I think supporters of Botham might have something to say about that. 
    Different era's. Can't really compare.In Botham's day there was a rest day on the Sunday and players played a lot more county cricket and less one day stuff.

     
    If we are going to use the stick of playing more cricket and going straight back to playing county cricket following a Test then, on that basis alone, I'm really not sure anyone should be declared anyone as the "best cricketer this country has produced".

    Botham wasn't protected by a central contract so had to put his body through it far more than Stokes has in his career. He scored 29,873 runs and took 1,784 wickets. Stokes, to date, has 19,891 runs and has taken 679 wickets. There is no comparison.  
    True, but Stokes was also able to captain, which Botham couldn't - and as Atherton said it takes it toll

    Out of interest over what period? They seem to play so many internationals throughout the year, that they must be away so much of the time, a lot of it overseas for lengthy periods. And ironically have little opportunities to hone their game except in the nets and playing internationals all round the world. I think a few would find a few months back at home (family home) with their county as an opportunity to play without all the stress. Stress takes its toll and they need downtime - not necessarily in bars and nightcluns but Botham and their ilk did their fair share of it!

    Remember the days when Brearley was captain and probably wouldn't have got his place if he weren't captain

    May he's not in the elite top 5 or 10 but certainly iconic
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 32,098
    Test cricketers have always liked a drink but media scrutiny is much worse nowadays. That said the press certainly tore into Botham at times since he is being compared with Stokes.
  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,933
    edited June 28
    Felt like one final two fingers from McCullum & Co. I do worry for the future of test cricket, unfortunately England need some of these people more than they need England. (Not the terrible twosome I hasten to add).
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 10,016
    Think at least Key is absolutely toast after this series. 

    The future is very very bright talent wise but there's going to be some growing pains trying to get them in the side. 
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 5,045
    LenGlover said:
    A bit of levity with a quiz question: of all the great Kent players to play for England in test cricket which one has the highest score as an individual?
    I'll go with Les Ames
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,314
    LenGlover said:
    A bit of levity with a quiz question: of all the great Kent players to play for England in test cricket which one has the highest score as an individual?
    Rob Key?
  • Blackheathen
    Blackheathen Posts: 6,773
    LenGlover said:
    A bit of levity with a quiz question: of all the great Kent players to play for England in test cricket which one has the highest score as an individual?
    Rob Key?
    Rob Key comes second (221 v WI at Lords 2004) to Zac Crawley - 267 v Pakistan at Southampton 2020