Mexico v England | World Cup Round of 16 | 5 July 2026

MuttleyCAFC · July 9

The odds were stacked against us for the Mexico game. I saw this as our hardest game in the tournament irrespective of who we play next. This game wasn't fair and those games will be. I expected us to lose but we won. It doesn't mean we will win the cup but I don't think we are going over the top in our praise for the side.

bolloxbolder · July 9

@paulsturgess. Thank you for taking the time to post that. Really enjoyed reading it.

Stu_of_Kunming · July 9

MuttleyCAFC said:

The odds were stacked against us for the Mexico game. I saw this as our hardest game in the tournament irrespective of who we play next. This game wasn't fair and those games will be. I expected us to lose but we won. It doesn't mean we will win the cup but I don't think we are going over the top in our praise for the side.

France will be a much, much harder game if we both make the final.

Don't quite get the 'not fair' part either.

MuttleyCAFC · July 9

Stu_of_Kunming said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The odds were stacked against us for the Mexico game. I saw this as our hardest game in the tournament irrespective of who we play next. This game wasn't fair and those games will be. I expected us to lose but we won. It doesn't mean we will win the cup but I don't think we are going over the top in our praise for the side.

France will be a much, much harder game if we both make the final.

Don't quite get the 'not fair' part either.

Ok, I wil explain. If the World Cup was held at altitude you can take the time to prepare and mitigate. Mexico played all their games at altitude so were fully ready for the challenge. England just had to play this game out of the blue against a team that was fully acclimitised. They lost aerobic capacity compared to Mexico in the region of 10%. Now Mexico are not the greatest side but they are good enough for this to be a significant challenge and disadvantage.

Stu_of_Kunming · July 9

Oh I'd agree it was an advantage, but isn't that a benefit of being a host nation?

Home advantage isn't unfair, imo, nor was it out of the blue, we knew about the potential match up since late 2025. Thankfully we had enough to overcome the odds.

MuttleyCAFC · July 9

Mexico being the host nation is irrelevant. It is not their fault but the nature of this tournament allowed one team to be fully prepared for altitude and the other not at all. When I said out of the blue, I meant we played our games at sea level then one game at altitude against a fully acclimitised team then sea level again with no prep time. Yes, we had enough to overcome the odds and I am giving us immense credit for this. And pointing out it was significantly against the odds. I think the format of the competition was unfair because of this.

I think fair advantage is the home hostile crowd and familiar ground.

Chris_from_Sidcup · July 9

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post.

To be fair i've seen several England players who've played in tons of big games for club and country, including 2 Euro's finals ,say it was up there as one of the biggest nights of their lives.

The Red Robin · July 9

brownbear said:

jimmymelrose said:

DennisBooth said:

I would think about putting Burn in the middle of defence to deal with Haaland in the air and Konsa at right back.

I would maybe think about and then dismiss the idea. Stones can deal with him more effectively.

The excellent Tim Vickery made the point that Brazil played Haaland well, until Ancelotti made the disastrous decision to put Neymar up front, and push VJ and Endrich wide.
This opened up the middle of the pitch, and Norway were able to get up the field, and closer to Haaland.
The key will be playing the game in their half, and not allowing balls into the box, as EH is an absolute monster in the air.

I wonder if there’s an argument to start Dan Burn.

Chris_from_Sidcup · July 9

The Red Robin said:

brownbear said:

jimmymelrose said:

DennisBooth said:

I would think about putting Burn in the middle of defence to deal with Haaland in the air and Konsa at right back.

I would maybe think about and then dismiss the idea. Stones can deal with him more effectively.

The excellent Tim Vickery made the point that Brazil played Haaland well, until Ancelotti made the disastrous decision to put Neymar up front, and push VJ and Endrich wide.
This opened up the middle of the pitch, and Norway were able to get up the field, and closer to Haaland.
The key will be playing the game in their half, and not allowing balls into the box, as EH is an absolute monster in the air.

I wonder if there’s an argument to start Dan Burn.

If James isn't fit and Tuchel wants to move Konsa across then yes it's not the worst idea. But if James is fit then i'd keep the Guehi-Konsa pairing as it is.

fenaddick · July 9

The Red Robin said:

brownbear said:

jimmymelrose said:

DennisBooth said:

I would think about putting Burn in the middle of defence to deal with Haaland in the air and Konsa at right back.

I would maybe think about and then dismiss the idea. Stones can deal with him more effectively.

The excellent Tim Vickery made the point that Brazil played Haaland well, until Ancelotti made the disastrous decision to put Neymar up front, and push VJ and Endrich wide.
This opened up the middle of the pitch, and Norway were able to get up the field, and closer to Haaland.
The key will be playing the game in their half, and not allowing balls into the box, as EH is an absolute monster in the air.

I wonder if there’s an argument to start Dan Burn.

He’s got the turning circle of a lorry though. The key isn’t really stopping Haaland, it’s stopping the ball getting to him

thenewbie · July 9

The Red Robin said:

brownbear said:

jimmymelrose said:

DennisBooth said:

I would think about putting Burn in the middle of defence to deal with Haaland in the air and Konsa at right back.

I would maybe think about and then dismiss the idea. Stones can deal with him more effectively.

The excellent Tim Vickery made the point that Brazil played Haaland well, until Ancelotti made the disastrous decision to put Neymar up front, and push VJ and Endrich wide.
This opened up the middle of the pitch, and Norway were able to get up the field, and closer to Haaland.
The key will be playing the game in their half, and not allowing balls into the box, as EH is an absolute monster in the air.

I wonder if there’s an argument to start Dan Burn.

There's an argument but its not a particularly strong one. Keep the pressure on them, use Kane's ability to drop deep and the pace and pressing of Gordon, Bellingham etc to stop them getting forward and Haaland is less dangerous (though still needing to be managed carefully.)
He's not IN HIMSELF so dangerous that we should change what we're doing just to accommodate his threat, if you can strangle the midfield he is a relatively easier prospect.

jimmymelrose · July 9

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

jimmymelrose · July 9

The Red Robin said:

brownbear said:

jimmymelrose said:

DennisBooth said:

I would think about putting Burn in the middle of defence to deal with Haaland in the air and Konsa at right back.

I would maybe think about and then dismiss the idea. Stones can deal with him more effectively.

The excellent Tim Vickery made the point that Brazil played Haaland well, until Ancelotti made the disastrous decision to put Neymar up front, and push VJ and Endrich wide.
This opened up the middle of the pitch, and Norway were able to get up the field, and closer to Haaland.
The key will be playing the game in their half, and not allowing balls into the box, as EH is an absolute monster in the air.

I wonder if there’s an argument to start Dan Burn.

No. The point @brownbear is making is to win the midfield and not let the ball get near him in the first place. Our central defender, whoever it is, and it shouldn’t be bloody Burn imo, needn’t have much to do if we succeed in controling midfield.

MrOneLung · July 9

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

cantersaddick · July 9

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick · July 9

Rumours that the Norwegians including Haarland have a stomach bug.

IdleHans · July 9

cantersaddick said:

Rumours that the Norwegians including Haarland have a stomach bug.

I'd much rather beat Norway at full strength. That said, I'd rather beat a weakened Norway than lose to a full-strength one

DamoNorthStand · July 9

cantersaddick said:

Rumours that the Norwegians including Haarland have a stomach bug.

I thought that was all proven to be incorrect

sunbury-addick · July 9

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

cantersaddick · July 9

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

Which is again using the "but they do it" argument. You can condemn whatever reason it is you believe that hasnt happened without pointing it back at every person in the nation.

cantersaddick · July 9

DamoNorthStand said:

cantersaddick said:

Rumours that the Norwegians including Haarland have a stomach bug.

I thought that was all proven to be incorrect

Quite possibly, I only read it just now.

sunbury-addick · July 9

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

Which is again using the "but they do it" argument. You can condemn whatever reason it is you believe that hasnt happened without pointing it back at every person in the nation.

I am not arguing, condemning, believing - just asked a question ?

cantersaddick · July 9

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

Which is again using the "but they do it" argument. You can condemn whatever reason it is you believe that hasnt happened without pointing it back at every person in the nation.

I am not arguing, condemning, believing - just asked a question ?

The very way your "question" was worded was making a point.

I have no idea why you have no reccollection of that but there have been black Argentinian players. Whether or not there have or havent been it would have no bearing on whether or not it was okay to make massive sweeping generatlisations about a whole population of people. Which is the point you were replying to. You certainly seemed to implay that your own percieved absence of black footballers in the Argentinian national side was somehow justifcation for those sweeping generalisations. If that wasnt what you were implying then there would have been no need to ask the question as it would have been entirely irrelevant.

Callumcafc · July 9

Two days before kick off and FIFA still haven’t announced the ref for the game. Bit odd.

cantersaddick · July 9

Callumcafc said:

Two days before kick off and FIFA still haven’t announced the ref for the game. Bit odd.

Seeing who can be bought no doubt.

Callumcafc · July 9

What a quote from our Djed

https://x.com/anthonypaphitis/status/2075175120155341260/video/1?s=46

Briston_Addick · July 9

Callumcafc said:

Two days before kick off and FIFA still haven’t announced the ref for the game. Bit odd.

Infantino's still trying to find his boots and a shirt/shorts that'll fit him

LargeAddick · July 9

Callumcafc said:

Two days before kick off and FIFA still haven’t announced the ref for the game. Bit odd.

Trump is the ref assisted by JD Vance & Hegseth.

sunbury-addick · July 9

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

Which is again using the "but they do it" argument. You can condemn whatever reason it is you believe that hasnt happened without pointing it back at every person in the nation.

I am not arguing, condemning, believing - just asked a question ?

The very way your "question" was worded was making a point.

I have no idea why you have no reccollection of that but there have been black Argentinian players. Whether or not there have or havent been it would have no bearing on whether or not it was okay to make massive sweeping generatlisations about a whole population of people. Which is the point you were replying to. You certainly seemed to implay that your own percieved absence of black footballers in the Argentinian national side was somehow justifcation for those sweeping generalisations. If that wasnt what you were implying then there would have been no need to ask the question as it would have been entirely irrelevant.

My bad, apologies. Who were the black Argentinian players out of interest ?

cantersaddick · July 9

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

sunbury-addick said:

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

cantersaddick said:

MrOneLung said:

jimmymelrose said:

paulsturgess said:

I was at the game.

Very, very rarely watch games more than once (can only really think of the 1966 WC final reruns and the 98 play off final!). But - I just finished watching back the BBC coverage of the game on my laptop.

What a game. Good to see it on telly and realise how non-stop drama and thrilling it was and how unreal the atmosphere was - as when you're there yourself you sometimes wonder if people are seeing or experiencing the same thing or it's as intense as it feels to you. Seeing the looks of dread on the faces, and everyone's reactions at the sending off, the penalty... having to endure that 40+ mins of just hanging on, hanging on..

Going to the game was incredible; I would choose Charlton over England 99 times out of 100 and it's incredibly hard to compare the experiences like play off final wins (which mean way more to me) Vs England, who frankly (and perversely, given I've travelled to the WC following them!) I am not that bothered about really - however, this was a pretty unrivalled football experience and day in so many ways.

The atmosphere - I imagine there are louder/ more aggressive/ intimidating atmospheres, endless chants etc - but I have never come across one like this with just so many Mexicans just not even singing or chanting but making noise non-stop, waving their flags non stop for 2 hours before the game and then during...

AND THEN - after all that - after the game hundreds of them at the ground, leaving the ground, in the bars, back in the city on the streets, wherever you went - all congratulating us like they were genuinely pleased for us and wishing us to win the tournament. I remember being told Mexico City was the most dangerous city in the world when I was kid, i went before in 2016 and again now and it's really hard to believe that!

Aside from being at the match itself, I felt genuinely emotional seeing how people at home experienced it, pictures and messages from mates etc all living it in the middle of the night on a Sunday/Monday! Absolutely surreal and once again - all the negativity around the tournament beforehand, very very justified hatred of FIFA, Trump etc etc etc and people boycotting BUT, in spite of them, nonetheless... the World Cup is unrivalled in how it brings people together...

Really hope after all this we follow it up on Saturday in what I think could be a really hard game back in the intense heat!

(and a PS to temper all the positivity of this post... fark me I loathe the Argentines so much, utterly classless horrid arrogant bastards, must be the most widely-hated nation...every time I come across them they are obnoxious... hope we complete the HoG redemption process and thrash those scummers in the Semi).

Great post spoilt by a sad, classless, horrid rant at the end. By Argentinian brother in law, who’s a really kind, hardworking, friendly, football loving, family guy congratulated me for our win by the way.

I hate national stereotypes. Most confusion and misunderstanding comes from language barriers.

hopefully no one posts the video of the Argentinian team signing racist songs about the French players or that will really confuse you

Are you sure you want your position to be "they do it so its okay to do it back"? even if doing it back is not "just" generalisations rather than outright racism? Wanting revenge for the hand of god is one thing. Sweeping negative generalisations are another.

We can condemn any instances of Racism from the Argentinian team without pointing at the whole nation.

Very true, but, have you any idea why I have no recollection of ever seeing a black player in the Argentina team ?

Which is again using the "but they do it" argument. You can condemn whatever reason it is you believe that hasnt happened without pointing it back at every person in the nation.

I am not arguing, condemning, believing - just asked a question ?

The very way your "question" was worded was making a point.

I have no idea why you have no reccollection of that but there have been black Argentinian players. Whether or not there have or havent been it would have no bearing on whether or not it was okay to make massive sweeping generatlisations about a whole population of people. Which is the point you were replying to. You certainly seemed to implay that your own percieved absence of black footballers in the Argentinian national side was somehow justifcation for those sweeping generalisations. If that wasnt what you were implying then there would have been no need to ask the question as it would have been entirely irrelevant.

My bad, apologies. Who were the black Argentinian players out of interest ?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=black+argentinian+footballers

Mexico v England | World Cup Round of 16 | 5 July 2026

Comments

Categories