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England v Argentina | World Cup Semi Final | 15 July 2026

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,724
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,774
    Leuth said:
    se9addick said:
    Surely people don’t actually hate Argentina? 
    I think there's a divide between people who can remember the 1980s and people who can't 
    I can remember the 80s. I grew up in them. I'm just not tragic enough to hate an entire nation of people for something that happened as a result of political sabre rattling that got out of hand and ended up with a load of people killed as a result. I didn't grow up hating Germans in the 80s, and the second world war was the same amount of time ago then as the Falklands were to now.

    They do have an uncanny ability to turn out proper muggy little c**ts for footballers though... 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,804
    Leuth said:
    se9addick said:
    Surely people don’t actually hate Argentina? 
    I think there's a divide between people who can remember the 1980s and people who can't 
    I can remember the 80s. I grew up in them. I'm just not tragic enough to hate an entire nation of people for something that happened as a result of political sabre rattling that got out of hand and ended up with a load of people killed as a result. I didn't grow up hating Germans in the 80s, and the second world war was the same amount of time ago then as the Falklands were to now.

    They do have an uncanny ability to turn out proper muggy little c**ts for footballers though... 
    I dont think anyone on this thread hates an entire nation of people.

    I think plenty have a strong dislike for a football team of .... well you worded it perfectly. Proper muggy little c*nts.

    Also you wont see our players unfurling Falklands banners, singing Falklands songs in the changing room and generally going on about it non stop. It shouldnt matter - agree. So they should just shut their traps and get on with playing a football match (preferably minus handballs, cheating, and muggy behaviour).
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,917
    I'm assuming a bent over position already in the hope it hurts less.

    Does feel like we've lost this one already. Kane and Rice won't have much if anything left in the tank. The subs did well against Norway but that won't be enough. As long as ours run around, no red cards and aren't smiling by the end that'll do. Exit the competition with honour.
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 8,302
    I'm assuming a bent over position already in the hope it hurts less.

    Does feel like we've lost this one already. Kane and Rice won't have much if anything left in the tank. The subs did well against Norway but that won't be enough. As long as ours run around, no red cards and aren't smiling by the end that'll do. Exit the competition with honour.
    Thats the spirit.
  • Mr. Happy
    Mr. Happy Posts: 671
    I'm assuming a bent over position already in the hope it hurts less.

    Does feel like we've lost this one already. Kane and Rice won't have much if anything left in the tank. The subs did well against Norway but that won't be enough. As long as ours run around, no red cards and aren't smiling by the end that'll do. Exit the competition with honour.
    Thankfully it won't come to that, as we'll never beat Mexico at the Azteca, and even if we do Haaland will have our defence for lunch.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,698
    Carter said:
    Some of you are either serious wet blankets or a lot more emotionally accepting of a nation represented by some real scumbags with a very questionable attitude to a lot of things (not steak, horses or rock music, they embrace those things absolutely fine) 

    Give me Terry Butcher over Maradona any day of the week. They revel in their manky tactics and shitfisting, and I'm sorry but the Falklands does come into it, as someone else said. They conscripted under-equipped and poorly trained boys to go and fight an unnecessary war of vanity and cost so many lives and permanently damaged thousands more. 

    Always been a dirty, horrible international team and I remphasise. I hope we take their souls and leave Messi crying like a baby 


    Hardly surprising when you layer in some Italian expats to an indigenous population that aren’t dissimilar to the Paraguayans and we saw how they played Germany and France.
  • BerkshireBob
    BerkshireBob Posts: 104
    I read today that Antonio Rattin died on Saturday. I hope they’re not thinking of having a minute’s ‘silence’ before the match…😬
  • LennyLowrent
    LennyLowrent Posts: 2,759
    Carter said:
    Some of you are either serious wet blankets or a lot more emotionally accepting of a nation represented by some real scumbags with a very questionable attitude to a lot of things (not steak, horses or rock music, they embrace those things absolutely fine) 

    Give me Terry Butcher over Maradona any day of the week. They revel in their manky tactics and shitfisting, and I'm sorry but the Falklands does come into it, as someone else said. They conscripted under-equipped and poorly trained boys to go and fight an unnecessary war of vanity and cost so many lives and permanently damaged thousands more. 

    Always been a dirty, horrible international team and I remphasise. I hope we take their souls and leave Messi crying like a baby 


    After the next UK elections it looks like these two marvelous feuding sisters will be practically unified by common  humanitarian values 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,804


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 

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  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,332


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    The sort of pricks on Internet forums who try to correct people calling the South Atlantic islands The Falklands by posting Las Malvinas, as if they're clever.
    Ignorant attention seekers.
  • Guardy
    Guardy Posts: 107
    I just feel for the Falklanders every World Cup, they must dread it.

    I’ve been a nervous wreck before every England game, this will be no different 🫣
    Thought you was Irish?
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,305
    Just landed in Atlanta.

    If I open the FIFA ticket app and see my ticket with the words “England V Argentina” written down I get proper goosebumps 
  • Tavern
    Tavern Posts: 7,722
    Just landed in Atlanta.

    If I open the FIFA ticket app and see my ticket with the words “England V Argentina” written down I get proper goosebumps 
    We landed earlier.
    Had a few beers in Fado on Peachtree street.
    Great bar
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,305
    Tavern said:
    Just landed in Atlanta.

    If I open the FIFA ticket app and see my ticket with the words “England V Argentina” written down I get proper goosebumps 
    We landed earlier.
    Had a few beers in Fado on Peachtree street.
    Great bar
    Class! I don’t know you but I’ve seen a lot of Charlton flags around! Good to know there’s other lifers in situ 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,698

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,698
    Previous matches officiated by Ismail Elfath at this World Cup:

    - Netherlands 2-2 Japan
    - Uruguay 0-1 Spain
    - Brazil 1-2 Norway
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,336
    Guardy said:
    I just feel for the Falklanders every World Cup, they must dread it.

    I’ve been a nervous wreck before every England game, this will be no different 🫣
    Thought you was Irish?
    oh leave off. She’s as Irish as I am and I’m supporting England. We don’t live bitter lives we celebrate being dual nationals. We are blessed like that. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,348
    After listening to the radio and hearing the G.O.A.T. Brian Moore commentating on Beckam's sending off, it makes you realise what dross we have to listen to nowadays. 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,804
    MrWalker said:


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    The sort of pricks on Internet forums who try to correct people calling the South Atlantic islands The Falklands by posting Las Malvinas, as if they're clever.
    Ignorant attention seekers.
    Yep. 

    Couple of lone Scots trying to justify it by bleating about our German manager etc.

    I mean - how thick can you get? The Germans don’t have any connection to, nor as a nation have any positive sentiment towards the Nazis. Same as the Italians etc.

    The Argies still go on about the Falklands, still think they were right, their football team sing songs about it and hold banners up. The media has still been going on about it this week. They bring it to the football every time they play us. 

    These Scots thinking they are being funny are shitting all over their fellow countrymen who lost their lives thousands of miles from home to liberate British men and women. 

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,402
    edited July 14
    Billy_Mix said:
    Ref no longer a problem
    Couldn't rely on her, she'd be waiting for Rupert Murdoch to tell her what to do.
    She would have sold Kane, Rice and Bellingham off to foreign owned private equity for less than a 10th of their value.
  • charente addick
    charente addick Posts: 3,952


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 1,914

  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,718
    edited July 14


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
    Just dead banter now tho. Wasn’t really that funny to begin with and I thought the Scottish had excellent ‘patter’
  • Charlton and on
    Charlton and on Posts: 1,151
    Getting more nervous as the game approaches. Not really had it at the world cup yet, I've always felt we would win each game, even after going behind.

    I think our team in a fair fight has the beating of Argentina but can't help but think they'll con the ref in one way or another. I hate Argentina (in football, to clarify).
  • charente addick
    charente addick Posts: 3,952


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
    Just dead banter now tho. Wasn’t really that funny to begin with and I thought the Scottish had excellent ‘patter’
    Whether the humour ‘works’ or not is neither here nor there. The intent is clearly not meant to be disrespectful to deceased and injured soldiers and should be seen as such and not connected to a war.

    In the last 10 years I’ve visited Argentina twice. I love the country and the people in it. Am I wrong to do so?!
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,718
    edited July 14


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
    Just dead banter now tho. Wasn’t really that funny to begin with and I thought the Scottish had excellent ‘patter’
    Whether the humour ‘works’ or not is neither here nor there. The intent is clearly not meant to be disrespectful to deceased and injured soldiers and should be seen as such and not connected to a war.

    In the last 10 years I’ve visited Argentina twice. I love the country and the people in it. Am I wrong to do so?!
    I couldn’t really give a shit mate, unless I saw you wearing their shirt when they play England. Then I’d think you’re a weirdo.

    Their football team are full of cheating, whining, racists little cretins. Why anyone other than Argentines would support that i don’t know. We need to smash them.
  • charente addick
    charente addick Posts: 3,952


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
    Just dead banter now tho. Wasn’t really that funny to begin with and I thought the Scottish had excellent ‘patter’
    Whether the humour ‘works’ or not is neither here nor there. The intent is clearly not meant to be disrespectful to deceased and injured soldiers and should be seen as such and not connected to a war.

    In the last 10 years I’ve visited Argentina twice. I love the country and the people in it. Am I wrong to do so?!
    I couldn’t really give a shit mate, unless I saw you wearing their shirt when they play England. Then I’d think you’re a weirdo.

    Their football team are full of cheating, whining, racists little cretins. Why anyone other than Argentines would support that i don’t know. We need to smash them.
    Best to leave it there I think.
  • ValleyLocal
    ValleyLocal Posts: 15
    Chizz said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    The Maradona hand ball being the single greatest act of cheating at a world cup and somehow being accepted by the Argies as the hand of God is something i'll never be able to get past. Add to that Batistuta's nodding at Beck's red card and the general shit housing that their team is allowed to get away with. I hope we crush them.
    I still maintain if that had been done by an English player like Gazza he'd be praised for being cheeky and it would be an iconic thing in this country
    Completely and utterly disagree.

    I can hear Jimmy Hill now, saying it's just not cricket & what a terrible way to win. And most would agree. 

    Genuinely think it's odd that someone can be born and raised in a country and so completely not understand it's character or mentality. 
    fenaddick said:
    The Maradona hand ball being the single greatest act of cheating at a world cup and somehow being accepted by the Argies as the hand of God is something i'll never be able to get past. Add to that Batistuta's nodding at Beck's red card and the general shit housing that their team is allowed to get away with. I hope we crush them.
    I still maintain if that had been done by an English player like Gazza he'd be praised for being cheeky and it would be an iconic thing in this country
    I agree with 99.9pc of what you post, but that is miles off.

    1 - It wouldnt have happened in the first place - it just not how young players are raised here.
    2 - Especially nowadays, they would end up getting frozen out for the rest of their career.


    I think we're a nation who love a sly bit of cheating, just not in the way that the South Americans or Europeans do. We don't like diving but we love when a player goes too hard or too late into a tackle. It's why we loved Dobbo and Man Utd fans loved Roy Keane. We all want Miles Leaburn to start "using his body" aka fouling his opponent in a way the ref doesn't see. A cynical foul to stop a counter attack will get praised and most of the crowd telling the ref he's an idiot and nothing happened. Admittedly, we seem to like cheating when it makes you look hard but this idea that we're holier than thou is nonsense. 

    Of course it wouldn't happen in the modern day Damo, it would be ruled out by VAR and an incredibly dumb thing to do. I don't think the modern day Argentinian's would do it either. 

    I'm not saying I like cheating or like that Maradonna did it and got away with it. I just think that there are people of all nationalities and who play all sports that like to push the line in the hope of victory
    Very good point this. We battered Maradona all over the park at The Azteca (rightly so) – elbows, two-footers, the lot. His response was a slight of hand to steal a goal and take revenge for his treatment and the way us Brits have meddled in his country and most others in the world over history.

    Hacking players down and handball are both forms of foul play. I 'prefer' our foul play because it's how we're raised and what we're used to, but it goes both ways.

    I cannot stand this Argentina side (apart from the manager who's an absolute gent) and hope we batter them, but as commented above it's a great country full of brilliant people. 


    I don't think it is a good comment, because he was specifically talking about the HoG. He said we'd be happy if Gazza or someone did that. And I don't think that is true at all. In fact it's nonsense. 

    And I don't think as a nation we love dirty or cynical fouls. It's why the 1970s Leeds team was widely disliked and isn't respected despite it's achievements. Even now, people call them Dirty Leeds. Wimbledon were also widely disliked, despite their fairytale rise from non-league. Wimbledon like is an insult, not praise. 

    As for meddling in the affairs of Argentina, you really do need to buy a history book and a map. It is Argentina, a country formed by the ancestors of people that stole the land from the native people, that meddled with the Falklands as part of their pathetic military posturing. We should feel sorry for the poor working class lads of Argentina who were forced to fight for an island that had and has nothing to do with Argentina. And never has. 

    I suggest that their current day players also read a history book and then campaign for justice for the veterans of that war, rather than sing songs about it. They've been completely brainwashed by their government. 
    Just an addition to my nonsense. I think you’re right that we don’t like dirty teams but I still think we like to have a few dirty individuals in our teams
    Still don't agree.

    I don't think Dennis Wise or Robbie Savage are particularly revered at any of their former clubs. 

    I think the Brits like hard but fair players much more. 

    Roy Keane was never dirty. He committed that savage foul. But wasn't a dirty player. So is probably the closest player to what you are alluding to. But he wasn't dirty in a snide way. 
    This is brilliant! 
    I associate 'dirty' with non football stuff... Pinching, spitting, grabbing, pulling, feigning injury, waving imaginary cards around, handballs etc.

    Funny enough, the sort of nonsense the Argentinians rely on to win games. 

    In that sense, Roy Keane wasn't dirty for me, whereas Vinnie Jones and Dennis Wise were. 

    However, perhaps the original poster is correct. Whilst I don't think us Brits would be very proud of a blatant handball, I do think I would enjoy someone two footing Messi to end his career and really break Argentinian hearts, with us 2-0 up and seeing out last few minutes with ten men. 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,804


    Well this stunt by a Scottish pub has backfired somewhat - as both Scottish and English folk have reminded them of the significant number of Scottish servicemen who lost their lives for their country.

    What a bunch of fucking idiots 
    Bit of a pious reaction tbh to what is clearly intended to be light football banter.
    Just dead banter now tho. Wasn’t really that funny to begin with and I thought the Scottish had excellent ‘patter’
    Whether the humour ‘works’ or not is neither here nor there. The intent is clearly not meant to be disrespectful to deceased and injured soldiers and should be seen as such and not connected to a war.

    In the last 10 years I’ve visited Argentina twice. I love the country and the people in it. Am I wrong to do so?!

    Right for about the fiftieth time. Because there is a good reason why the Falklands conflict comes up whenever we play them.

    It is their football team. THEY connect the football with a conflict.

    They are the only football team I am aware of to bring out banners and sing songs connected to a conflict. They do it. The evidence is there to see.

    The Germans don’t do it. We don’t do it.

    If they want to make it about the football (which it should be) then they should shut their traps and get on with playing football (ideally not with their hands this time)