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Next England manager
MrOneLung
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OK, so if England move on from Tuchel (I don’t think they will) who are you going for ?
are all the people that don’t want a foreign manager gonna pass up on chance of getting Pep?
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Only worth getting shot of TT if Pep agreed to take the job IMO
would love an English manager but outside of Eddie Howe and possibly Lampard who else is there2 -
Going by those odds, Curbs, best bet if 50/1+1
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Someone who knows how to navigate and win international tournaments. I’m not interested in successful club managers.
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Finished 3rd in the World Cup losing to the current world champions 2-1, madness to think we should change manager. It’s so easy to sit at home and say he should have kept attacking but if he did that and we got caught at the back it would be “why didn’t we put defenders on”. I personally hope he stays on.7
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Echo the above - no need to change unless Pep is at all interested. Then we raise income tax across the UK to pay for him5
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Kieran McKenna or Eddie Howe1
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Lee Carsley6
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Vote for Carsley here too. Knows the international set up and path ways inside out, and look at some of the football he’s had the youth team playing. It’s helped Luis de la Fuente and Spain to have that familiarity.8
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How often do elite club managers do well in international football? This World Cup saw Ancelotti, Nagelsman and Tuchel knocked out and the final is between 2 guys that were internally promoted and have hardly managed a club game between them in their lives. Pep is obviously a fantastic coach but he needs time on the training ground with his squads to get them playing his way, you don’t get that in international footballElthamaddick said:Only worth getting shot of TT if Pep agreed to take the job IMO
would love an English manager but outside of Eddie Howe and possibly Lampard who else is there
The answer was right there with Carsley. Southgate was an U21 manager promoted to the top job and it worked well. Spain’s manager followed the same pathway and has been a huge success. Carsley is a very successful U21 manager and should have got the top job before4 -
I think it is a mistake looking at a club manager. A totally different job. The England manager requires somebody with balls as a lack of them can clearly point to our latter stage exits of which there have been far too manay. Pep wants to play a certain way. If the players he has don't match what he wants he changes them. You can't do that at international level. Could you get a team that plays like a Pep team consisting solely of English players? Its a no from me.5
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Ever since Sir Alf, we've thrown everything at it with no success.
Multiple English managers, no use.
Swedes, no use.
Italians, no use.
Even the Germans, no use.
I think we are missing a trick here.
The players have the talent required, they just need to be instructed by a coach with great organisational skills.
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A unicorn thenThe Red Robin said:Someone who knows how to navigate and win international tournaments. I’m not interested in successful club managers.1 -
Howe, should have been him this time.1
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Callumcafc said:Vote for Carsley here too. Knows the international set up and path ways inside out, and look at some of the football he’s had the youth team playing. It’s helped Luis de la Fuente and Spain to have that familiarity.
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Agree he should stay on. But the argument about keep attacking or just defend doesn’t hold up. There’s a middle ground there, which we could have done and given a far better chance of keeping the game at 1-0. Options weren’t just drop back and defend or go for the attack. There’s no argument which holds up as to why we dropped back against, possibly, the side who are best at playing against that in the tournament.TD_Addick said:Finished 3rd in the World Cup losing to the current world champions 2-1, madness to think we should change manager. It’s so easy to sit at home and say he should have kept attacking but if he did that and we got caught at the back it would be “why didn’t we put defenders on”. I personally hope he stays on.5 -
Of course. I don't think many of us were suggesting we ignore the change the goal created. Argentina's strengths are as an attacking side and they had to become more desperate. It is never a managerial masterclass being desperate, it is what it is. But the other team has to react. It is reasonable for them to prioritise defence but they need an outlet and Tuchel had the players to provide that on the bench. That means Argentina can't play so high up the pitch and keep getting the ball back. We were lucky in that we got quite a few warnings that things needed changing which Tuchel ignored.stoneroses19 said:
Agree he should stay on. But the argument about keep attacking or just defend doesn’t hold up. There’s a middle ground there, which we could have done and given a far better chance of keeping the game at 1-0. Options weren’t just drop back and defend or go for the attack. There’s no argument which holds up as to why we dropped back against, possibly, the side who are best at playing against that in the tournament.TD_Addick said:Finished 3rd in the World Cup losing to the current world champions 2-1, madness to think we should change manager. It’s so easy to sit at home and say he should have kept attacking but if he did that and we got caught at the back it would be “why didn’t we put defenders on”. I personally hope he stays on.3 -
I'm warming to the Carsley idea.
Club managers that have billions of £ at their disposal get found out when they can't stick their hand in their owners pocket for a bail out.
No. I'm done with the foreign model. It'll take some time and I genuinely think Southgate was getting stronger each tournament but that's by the by. Long journey ahead4 -
Pep is in talks with Italy...2
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Not content with changing prime ministers every year I guess we want to change England managers too?
best World Cup since 1966. Made a mistake with his subs and formation change vs Argentina but otherwise wait to see if he’s learnt from this.3 -
Been very impressed with Carrick coming in at Man Utd twice and sorting them out with what he was given.Carsley seems the sensible choice given he knows the set up.
Id give Tuchel the Euros.3 -
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Exactly this.ValleyGary said:Been very impressed with Carrick coming in at Man Utd twice and sorting them out with what he was given.Carsley seems the sensible choice given he knows the set up.
Id give Tuchel the Euros.1 -
I agree it shouldn't be a club manager, they seem to have the league mentality of sitting back and protecting a valuable point, need someone suited to tournament football.1
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Still think he should go. If only for the fact he’s doubled down and not admitted he got it wrong. Needs to own it.7
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I can’t abide what he did in that semi final when it was such a great opportunity. However, I’m almost just as irritated with his squad selection tbh3
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I mean realistically, any talk of replacing him is moronic unless Pep turns around and asks for the job.Tuchel will get the Euros to have a second go of things, unless the Nations League is a complete disaster in the meantime.0
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100% get why people would want Pep, and if he's realistically available/interested then the FA probably should give him a go.
However, Pep's success is built on meticulous planning and tactical complexity and discipline. Hard to instill those things in an international team than you get a few days with every few months, half of which doesn't reliably show for each match.
I'm not convinced he's the right fit for international football, but I don't mind the idea of England being the ones to find out.
I suspect Tuchel will manage us at the next Euros, though, unless qualifying goes badly sideways. And, taking the tournament and qualification as a whole, he's probably done enough to be afforded an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and make corrections. Question is, does he understand the mistakes he made? I suspect he's probably more self-critical than he lets on in public.1 -
You mean having a squad of elite players surelyExiled_Addick said:1
However, Pep's success is built on meticulous planning and tactical complexity and discipline. Hard to instill t0 -
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Was going to post something similar before reading this. There was an interview recently where Kyle Walker said it took him almost a year to fully understand what Pep wanted as he is so demanding and intense. And this is one of our greatest ever full backs working day in day out with him at club level.Exiled_Addick said:100% get why people would want Pep, and if he's realistically available/interested then the FA probably should give him a go.
However, Pep's success is built on meticulous planning and tactical complexity and discipline. Hard to instill those things in an international team than you get a few days with every few months, half of which doesn't reliably show for each match.
I'm not convinced he's the right fit for international football, but I don't mind the idea of England being the ones to find out.
I suspect Tuchel will manage us at the next Euros, though, unless qualifying goes badly sideways. And, taking the tournament and qualification as a whole, he's probably done enough to be afforded an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and make corrections. Question is, does he understand the mistakes he made? I suspect he's probably more self-critical than he lets on in public.
So how is he going to get his message across when players rock up to his first training camp about 4-5 days before a game? Not to mention that Pep would have to work with the players he has available. He can't just bin someone off (like he did with Joe Hart) if they don't suit his style and sign a replacement.
Don't get me wrong, if he wants the job then you absolutely give it to him, but i don't think it's a given that he turns up and we automatically win something.1 -
Think Bobby Robson gets viewed less harshly than some.1984 - failed to qualify for euros
1986 - pilloried in group stage losing to Portugal and drawing with Morocco. Maradona hand ball gives excuse for going out
1988 - lost all three group games
1990 - pilloried in group stages, getting through with deflected header against Egypt. Lucky win v Belgium, and then 2-1 down against Cameroon in quarters.
Losing on penalties in semis give excuse for going out1
