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Chizz
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Spain. France. Scotland. Italy. Portugal. Greece. Canada. USA.
All dealing with major wildfires right now.
What do you think is the probability that there's a causal link?
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Apparently just one of them things init Guv
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Lots of foliage around my flat and I'm about to go away for a few days to look after my decrepit old man in Somerset where the current weather is notably cooler thankfully. But worried i could return to a burnt out shell of a home. Just like the worry i had in 2022, each day i went to work, that summer the London Fire Brigade had its busiest period than since WW2.
I'm glad we have a green-belt in London but it also tinder dry and dangerous. Nothing has changed since 2022. The foliage round the flats is even more dense. The fire brigade has not issued revised guidance to flat management companies and the management company has done nothing to thin or cut back the foliage.
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Well, man made climate change is a hoax apparently so must be a coincidenceChizz said:Spain. France. Scotland. Italy. Portugal. Greece. Canada. USA.
All dealing with major wildfires right now.
What do you think is the probability that there's a causal link?
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As for causal link, wouldn't be worrying too much in that direction anymore. We may already be past the tipping point. The 4 key elements in delicate balance to support life; Air, Water, Earth, Fire.
Now we have hot air, declining water, fire -> bad air, scorched earth. All the elements in decline; not universally, but this is how the beginning of the end will come, how it will look and feel, isn't it?0 -
Climate change bringing milder wetter winters, allowing lush vegetation to grow. Hot, dryer summers drying out vegetation making them fuel for fire. Exactly as predicted by Climate scientists many years ago.
Add into the mix idiots who discard burning cigarettes and leave glass lying around, light barbecues and bonfires.9 -
The influence of man on wildfires is deliberate arson or negligence in not properly extinguishing barbecues etc. An Australian relative in the fire service told me that. Oh and another reason is not having proper fire breaks.0
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Trust me it is very worrying if you are involved. My house is approx 8 miles from they village that bore the brunt of the massive wildfire in Almeria recently, 13 people dead from one small village, mostly Brits but some Dutch. I happened to be there whilst the main threat was going on ( it is still burning now 3 weeks later but under control ) and had helicopters flying overhead for 3 days re filling with water trying to get things under control. Atleast Spain and France have kit like helicopters and planes to try and fight these fires, if we have one here I guess we would have Puw, Huw, Barney Magroo, Cuthbert Dibble & Hub with a bucket each !!! The one currently going on in France doesnt bear thinking about and Im amazed that there hasnt been alot more deaths2
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33 years as a firefighter in Kent, this year is bad with all the dead grass but four years ago it was mental.
It took years for the foliage to regenerate along the A2 at Dartford Heath, every time I went by I shuddered. That same day is when LFB lost all those houses.6 -
No doubt someone will come along and call you all snowflakes in a bit for worrying about it, and that the fires were way worse in 1666 and that was 350 years ago so there's no need to worry8
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Snowflake. Fires were a lot worse in 1666. Snap out of it.9
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You are all amazing, I cannot imagine what it must be like to fight such awful fires.cfgs said:33 years as a firefighter in Kent, this year is bad with all the dead grass but four years ago it was mental.
It took years for the foliage to regenerate along the A2 at Dartford Heath, every time I went by I shuddered. That same day is when LFB lost all those houses.
As we regularly visit the Isle of Wight we watch some of the live web cams. Last week there was a wildfire at Headon Warren, a National Trust Site of Special Scientific Interest and a rare heathland habitat. Wooden blocks were found nearby and thought to be used for a campfire.
All fire crews on the island initially fought the fire, but had to call in crews from across the south. They eventually had to pump sea water using equipment from one of the Devon or Dorset crews, up to the site. A helicopter was also used to scoop sea water and douse the fire. It took 5 days altogether to completely extinguish the fire and after watching the web cams, I am in awe of the amazing men and women who worked tirelessly to save as much habitat as possible.
I hope that the idiots who thought it a good idea to have a barbecue on tinder dry heathland are suitably remorseful at their stupidity.5 -
The usual is that there were no wildfires in 1976, the year that most climate change deniers have imprinted on their brains.sam3110 said:No doubt someone will come along and call you all snowflakes in a bit for worrying about it, and that the fires were way worse in 1666 and that was 350 years ago so there's no need to worry2 -
Funny one of the outstanding memories in 76 was driving over the heath just outside Croydon which was alight underground for many months, and Dartford heath took years to recover from the fire. No I’m not a climate change denier at all. Just like to relay my memories about a very very hot summer. If you want to hear about the winter of ‘62/63 I can bore you to tears about that freak winter as well. These cold winter could return as well if the flow of the ocean currents are disrupted significantly,ME14addick said:
The usual is that there were no wildfires in 1976, the year that most climate change deniers have imprinted on their brains.sam3110 said:No doubt someone will come along and call you all snowflakes in a bit for worrying about it, and that the fires were way worse in 1666 and that was 350 years ago so there's no need to worry4 -
I've seen so many climate change deniers say that there were no wildfires in 1976 which is if course not true.CharltonKerry said:
Funny one of the outstanding memories in 76 was driving over the heath just outside Croydon which was alight underground for many months, and Dartford heath took years to recover from the fire. No I’m not a climate change denier at all. Just like to relay my memories about a very very hot summer. If you want to hear about the winter of ‘62/63 I can bore you to tears about that freak winter as well. These cold winter could return as well if the flow of the ocean currents are disrupted significantly,ME14addick said:
The usual is that there were no wildfires in 1976, the year that most climate change deniers have imprinted on their brains.sam3110 said:No doubt someone will come along and call you all snowflakes in a bit for worrying about it, and that the fires were way worse in 1666 and that was 350 years ago so there's no need to worry
I even saw one of them claim that there are no wildfires in Africa, which is also not true.3 -
In ‘76 I don’t think they weren’t called wildfires, mostly called heathland fires in those days. ‘76 was a brilliant year for me got a new job in Croydon, earnt a £1,000 in a year for the first time, got engaged, but most importantly scored my first 50 in cricket.ME14addick said:
I've seen so many climate change deniers say that there were no wildfires in 1976 which is if course not true.CharltonKerry said:
Funny one of the outstanding memories in 76 was driving over the heath just outside Croydon which was alight underground for many months, and Dartford heath took years to recover from the fire. No I’m not a climate change denier at all. Just like to relay my memories about a very very hot summer. If you want to hear about the winter of ‘62/63 I can bore you to tears about that freak winter as well. These cold winter could return as well if the flow of the ocean currents are disrupted significantly,ME14addick said:
The usual is that there were no wildfires in 1976, the year that most climate change deniers have imprinted on their brains.sam3110 said:No doubt someone will come along and call you all snowflakes in a bit for worrying about it, and that the fires were way worse in 1666 and that was 350 years ago so there's no need to worry
I even saw one of them claim that there are no wildfires in Africa, which is also not true.4 -
Genuinely what is the point of this thread other than a fishing exercise?If it were a discussion on the impact on people’s lives, or experience of the current situation, it would have some merit.
But it’s positioned purely to create the sort of response that eventually gets threads shut down.
Quite sad really.17 -
You met Chizz before mate?SporadicAddick said:Genuinely what is the point of this thread other than a fishing exercise?If it were a discussion on the impact on people’s lives, or experience of the current situation, it would have some merit.
But it’s positioned purely to create the sort of response that eventually gets threads shut down.
Quite sad really.8 -
It's that, AND it's also drier winters leading to drier vegetation leading to fires. In SoCal, they had the former a couple of years ago, followed by the severe fires last year (18ish months ago now). Here in Oregon, where about half the bloody state is on fire, it's the latter, where we had quite a dry and warm winter which means that a lush state is now drier and less green than usual, leading to the state being half on fire.ME14addick said:Climate change bringing milder wetter winters, allowing lush vegetation to grow. Hot, dryer summers drying out vegetation making them fuel for fire. Exactly as predicted by Climate scientists many years ago.
Add into the mix idiots who discard burning cigarettes and leave glass lying around, light barbecues and bonfires.
I can't remember if I've posted this before, but the Palisades fire hit the area where I went to high school. My high school was damaged, albeit not destroyed, but entire blocks were just gone. Entire neighborhoods completely decimated, and others left largely untouched.
I read a little bit of an article the other day that says Portland (2 hours north of me) has the same conditions for a fire like what we saw in LA in 2025.
It's all very scary. And I would add, I'm asthmatic so while it's nowhere near as bad as losing your home and everything you have, when the air quality is bad I can't really go outside, which is tough as the smoke triggers my ashtma.3 -
There is discussion on how it impacts on people's lives and the impact on wildlife.SporadicAddick said:Genuinely what is the point of this thread other than a fishing exercise?If it were a discussion on the impact on people’s lives, or experience of the current situation, it would have some merit.
But it’s positioned purely to create the sort of response that eventually gets threads shut down.
Quite sad really.
Wildfires are a product of our changing climate, however they begin. Increasingly hot dry summers are producing the conditions that allow fire to spread out of control, no matter how they start.
No reason for this thread to be shut down, it's a topic that affects us all.1 -
Massive respect to firefighters worldwide. Tough job. Under appreciated under paid.
Discarded glass bottles and metal cans in the right environment (in the sun on dry foliage) can also start fires - I remember seeing an Aus public info film on it a couple years ago. So even more reason to take your litter with you.
In a shocking turn and an unprecedented show of personal growth that's all I'm going to say on the topic, not going to get drawn into any other discussions! 🤣
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Will go the same way as the other 2 threads this summer with regards to the warm weatherSporadicAddick said:Genuinely what is the point of this thread other than a fishing exercise?If it were a discussion on the impact on people’s lives, or experience of the current situation, it would have some merit.
But it’s positioned purely to create the sort of response that eventually gets threads shut down.
Quite sad really.
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Can see this thread going up in smoke10
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The thread is right up certain posters street that's for sure.1
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Why not take part with a useful comment.O-Randy-Hunt said:The thread is right up certain posters street that's for sure.
I think the fact that many countries are experiencing an increasing number of wildfires, at a time when temperatures are soaring, is actually a very important topic for discussion. It's sad that there are those who want to shut down that discussion.
The UK is also experiencing an increase in fires, how they start is irrelevant, but the hot, dry conditions make wildfires far more likely. The reasons for that are becoming more and more evident, just as predicted.
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As temperatures rise, we will need to do more like what happens on the Iberian peninsula, proper firebreaks etc.
This is part of the new normal for France now, us soon.4 -
But not ‘grossly’ underpaid I note in your judgement as you were quick to state Tube drivers are? 😉cantersaddick said:Massive respect to firefighters worldwide. Tough job. Under appreciated under paid.
Discarded glass bottles and metal cans in the right environment (in the sun on dry foliage) can also start fires - I remember seeing an Aus public info film on it a couple years ago. So even more reason to take your litter with you.
In a shocking turn and an unprecedented show of personal growth that's all I'm going to say on the topic, not going to get drawn into any other discussions! 🤣
But to be serious of corse Firefighters are to be hugely commended.The shocking thing for me in this is the reports of arsonists adding to the problem. What goes through their minds is unfathomable.1 -
Now now. Thats just wording. Given risk to life and long term health issues from putting their bodies in those situations and breathing in what they do I would say grossly is absolutely right.valleynick66 said:
But not ‘grossly’ underpaid I note in your judgement as you were quick to state Tube drivers are? 😉cantersaddick said:Massive respect to firefighters worldwide. Tough job. Under appreciated under paid.
Discarded glass bottles and metal cans in the right environment (in the sun on dry foliage) can also start fires - I remember seeing an Aus public info film on it a couple years ago. So even more reason to take your litter with you.
In a shocking turn and an unprecedented show of personal growth that's all I'm going to say on the topic, not going to get drawn into any other discussions! 🤣
But to be serious of corse Firefighters are to be hugely commended.3 -
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Pouring in London, where’s your global warming now?!3
