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deliberate handball - penalty or goal ?

golfaddick
golfaddick Posts: 34,236
edited July 2010 in Other Football and Sports
should the rules be changed and instead of a penalty and a red card, just award a goal.

Ghana should have won - denied by a blatant peice of cheating...........a red card in the last minute isn't going to hurt them - letting a goal in would !!
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  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    no need to change the rules you get a free shot at goal against only the keeper from 12yds, he should have tucked the pen away

    the real question is should you only get a 1 game ban for such blatent cheating
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,979
    Isn't a straight red 2 games?
  • Se12Addick
    Se12Addick Posts: 272
    Gosh, what a stupid idea.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    i think violent conduct is 2 games any other offence is just 1

    Suares makes Ronaldo look a saint in comparison with his diving
  • No.1 in South London
    No.1 in South London Posts: 3,977
    Also Uruguay had to play the remainder of the game with only 10 men.
  • Folev the red
    Folev the red Posts: 2,087
    Didnt ghana cheat to get the free-kick? It hard to say there should be punishments for certain offences and not offers.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    all 2 seconds
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Looks like he could have headed it away anyway, damn him that has probably cost me my lead in my mates' fantasy league
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,629
    [cite]Posted By: Folev the red[/cite]Didnt ghana cheat to get the free-kick? It hard to say there should be punishments for certain offences and not offers.

    Yep.And Uraguay should have had a pen before that
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,107
    It's not rugby but knowing crazy Sepp Blatter though he'll go and just introduce it tomorrow and reinstate Ghana because "Africa deserve it"

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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,997
    Handball in the area = penalty.
    Ball doesn't go over the line = no goal.

    It's pretty simple really.
  • nolly
    nolly Posts: 12,122
    agreed.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,438
    what Carlyburn and offit said.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,859
    Vamos Uruguay!
  • vancouveraddick
    vancouveraddick Posts: 1,674
    Agree with Golfie on this one, but then it's a game of opinions I suppose....
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,915
    [cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]should the rules be changed and instead of a penalty and a red card, just award a goal.

    Ghana should have won - denied by a blatant peice of cheating...........a red card in the last minute isn't going to hurt them - letting a goal in would !!

    sorry, but how is that cheating ? He was punished for it as it was spotted by the officials. What Maradona done was cheating, ie he got away with it. Suarez didn't. If we want to be fair it came from a free kick that wasn't so in my opinion justice was actually done, or maybe not because Uruaguy suffered a sending off that they shouldn't. What was cheating was when the Ghana player tripped a Uruaguyan in the box and a penalty wasn't awarded. THAT was cheating.
  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    don't forget Uruguay were denied a cast iron penalty earlier, so it is not so simple to say Ghana should've won just because their injustice was at the end of the game.

    I guess there is a case for saying award the goal if someone handles the ball in the 6yd box to prevent a certain goal, but I think a penalty and red card is sufficient
  • vancouveraddick
    vancouveraddick Posts: 1,674
    edited July 2010
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]What Maradona done was cheating, ie he got away with it.

    So it's only cheating if you get away with it?


    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]What was cheating was when the Ghana player tripped a Uruaguyan in the box and a penalty wasn't awarded. THAT was cheating.

    So if it the penalty was awarded, that wouldn't have been cheating?

    Just trying to clarify your comment.

    Cheating for me comes down to whether an individual has an intent to break the rules to further their cause. IMHO if Suavez had instinctively handballed on the line then that would not have been cheating but if he made a split second decision to handle to ensure that there was no goal then that's what I would call cheating. I'm sure others have a varying opinion.
  • JakeCAFC_94
    JakeCAFC_94 Posts: 660
    should get a 2 match ban in my opinion.
    cheating to keep their team in the game and then go on to win it should really have more of a punishment than missing the semi-final for me!
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,859
    I'm glad that others on here are saying that Uruguay should have had a penalty. Going by the French commentators reaction I would have thought I was watching a different game.

    Re: Suarez - of course it was a foul. Cheating? Isn't that trying to gain an unfair advantage unseen? If you do it blatantly is it really cheating or just a foul?

    cheat / chēt/ • v. 1. [intr.] act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination: she always cheats at cards. ∎ [tr.] deceive or trick: he had cheated her out of everything she had. ∎ use inferior materials or methods unobtrusively in order to save time or money: they cheat by photographing mashed potatoes instead of ice cream. ∎ inf. be sexually unfaithful: his wife was cheating on him. 2. [tr.] avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill: she cheated death in a spectacular crash.

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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,853
    Uruguay should have had a penalty before that. He got one eventually and didnt half tuck it away nicely to win it.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,406
    Rules are Rules. If we didn't have rules, where would we be..
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,036
    He took one for the team. He tried to cheat, got caught and got sent off. I only one who thought that the No. 10 from Ghana came back from an offside to head the ball just before the first goal line clearance.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,314
    Splendid entertainment though. Once again the cheats prosper, but the devil has ruled football for years now, so no surprise there...
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,915
    [cite]Posted By: vancouveraddick[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]What Maradona done was cheating, ie he got away with it.

    So it's only cheating if you get away with it?


    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]What was cheating was when the Ghana player tripped a Uruaguyan in the box and a penalty wasn't awarded. THAT was cheating.

    So if it the penalty was awarded, that wouldn't have been cheating?

    Just trying to clarify your comment.

    Cheating for me comes down to whether an individual has an intent to break the rules to further their cause. IMHO if Suavez had instinctively handballed on the line then that would not have been cheating but if he made a split second decision to handle to ensure that there was no goal then that's what I would call cheating. I'm sure others have a varying opinion.

    yes, if the penalty had been awarded it wouldn't have been cheating, it would have just been a foul like any other in the game or are we saying that every foul is effectively cheating. Cheating is seeking to gain an advantage and getting away with it.
  • ThreadKiller
    ThreadKiller Posts: 8,638
    edited July 2010
    it was a teffific save,a bit unsporting but you do what you have to do in the last seconds of a huge game like this. if it was someone like chris powell doing it for us,well...
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,404
    [cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]it was a teffific save,a bit unsporting but you do what you have to do in the last seconds of a huge game like this. if it was someone like chris powell doing it for us,well...

    Bartlet did the same for us against Spurs (if any of us can remember back that far).
    Dont remember calls for penalty goals or 2 match bans then.
    Good game for the neutral, Uruaguy will not beat the Dutch nor would Ghana.
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,435
    the rules of penalty shoot outs should be that everyone on the pitch at the final whistle has to take a pen.
    that way the team that has a man sent off gets 10 pens against the opponents 11, therefore the punishment carries through the whole tie.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,780
    It is still cheating whether it is seen or not. Otherwise if you get caught cheating at cards it would no longer be cheating because you got caught. He gained an unfair advantage by handling the ball, i.e. a penalty instead of a goal and in one sense he did get away with it because Ghana missed.

    That said, any player in the World Cup would have done exactly the same.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,063
    [cite]Posted By: charltonkeston[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]it was a teffific save,a bit unsporting but you do what you have to do in the last seconds of a huge game like this. if it was someone like chris powell doing it for us,well...

    Bartlet did the same for us against Spurs (if any of us can remember back that far).
    Dont remember calls for penalty goals or 2 match bans then.
    Good game for the neutral, Uruaguy will not beat the Dutch nor would Ghana.

    And most of us said that the Dutch wouldn't beat Brazil...

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