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Is that right? I didn’t know that.fenaddick said:
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is awaylordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…0 -
Not including charlton...ZZ is my 2nd fav player after R9.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Zidane won't take a club job now because it's expected he will take over from Deschamps when he steps down as France manager after the World Cup.CAFCsayer said:
I'd love to see him in the Premier League as manager0 -
And they haven't got the players for it.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
The irony is that Glasner plays the same 343 formation as Amorim.Athletico Charlton said:BigRedEvil said:I'm surprised they've kept Amorim, I get giving him time but he's not improved anything and doesn't look like doing so either
I don't follow the PL much but every time I see him his body language and vibe is so very very negative. It's like he has given up and is waiting for the inevitable. Should have moved him on in the summer. Glasner would do a good job there and would go.
Not sure he'd be a good choice.0 -
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"lordromford said:
Is that right? I didn’t know that.fenaddick said:
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is awaylordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
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There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money moneyfenaddick said:
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"lordromford said:
Is that right? I didn’t know that.fenaddick said:
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is awaylordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
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They've simply alternated what weeks the Champions League and Europa / Conference League games are on... Its why Palace played in the League Cup this week.orpingtonRED said:
There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money moneyfenaddick said:
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"lordromford said:
Is that right? I didn’t know that.fenaddick said:
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is awaylordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
Rather than all European games being across one week0 -
They did it last season as well, it's only for the opening matchweek.orpingtonRED said:
There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money moneyfenaddick said:
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"lordromford said:
Is that right? I didn’t know that.fenaddick said:
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is awaylordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
As part of the new format each of the three UEFA competitions has its own exclusive week without fixtures from the other two competitions.1 -
It's not unusual. Klopp used to moan about it all the time as there was stat produced a couple of years back that showed Liverpool were the team given by far the most 12.30 Saturday kick offs after a European week.lordromford said:Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.Hopefully Everton take advantage…
What is a bit silly though is that Arsenal played in an early kick off on Tuesday and Man City play in an evening kick off tonight, so Arsenal get 2 days extra rest ahead of their game on Sunday.0 -
Excellent taste in regards to favourite players!orpingtonRED said:
Not including charlton...ZZ is my 2nd fav player after R9.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Zidane won't take a club job now because it's expected he will take over from Deschamps when he steps down as France manager after the World Cup.CAFCsayer said:
I'd love to see him in the Premier League as manager0 -
If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.4 - Sponsored links:
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There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking.
Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist
Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded
Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas
Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites
Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick
They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot3 -
I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.Addick Addict said:If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side.
I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.0 -
McTominay started 119 PL games in the 8 seasons since he made his debut. In his final two seasons there he started just 28 PL games in total - 10 and 18 respectively. He started as sub in his first Serie A game and since then has started every single one of Napoli's 37 matches. There is a world of difference between the way he was treated at the two clubs.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.Addick Addict said:If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side.
I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.0 -
They probably should have stuck with Moyes for longer. Was always going to be a thankless task for whoever took over from Ferguson.fenaddick said:There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking.
Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist
Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded
Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas
Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites
Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick
They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot0 -
Leading headline this morning is Amorim saying not even the Pope would get him to change formation. The guy just wants his pay out now3
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That would have been an interesting conversation though. Perhaps the Pope will mention Man U's formation in his Sunday service.2
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I read that.BigRedEvil said:Leading headline this morning is Amorim saying not even the Pope would get him to change formation. The guy just wants his pay out now
Begging to be sacked0 -
I didn't know the Pope was a man u fan?0
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Refusing to change system because he thinks it will make him look weak to the players...
I think more than anything players just want to be part of a winning team. He'll be gone soon.0 -
Just started watching the Merseyside derby. Everton just scored to make it interesting. 2 - 1 at the moment.
Slot getting a bit edgy so has bought on £116 million forward in Wirtz and is about to bring on another forward who cost them £125 million. It's bloody ridiculous.0 - Sponsored links:
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Liverpool fans being held back/made to walk a diverted route towards Warrington after the game to allow the Everton fans to get away.4
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Horrific start for Chelsea2
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Champions of the universe down to ten men4
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Insert Windsor Davies GIF here…😂0
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Double sub after 5mins lol!0
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I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3ForeverAddickted said:Double sub after 5mins lol!2 -
Must surely have been the same stoppage as the FK hadnt been taken yet? - Even more hilarious if not thoughfenaddick said:
I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3ForeverAddickted said:Double sub after 5mins lol!0 -
Possibly, I was dipping in and out so didn’t fully see, just noticed the subs were on 6 & 7 minsForeverAddickted said:
Must surely have been the same stoppage as the FK hadnt been taken yet? - Even more hilarious if not thoughfenaddick said:
I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3ForeverAddickted said:Double sub after 5mins lol!1 -
That was nice!! - Wont be surprised if he's offside0
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Thought he was off on first sight.2
