Tanto Olaofe - 28/01/26 gone on loan to Stockport (p13)

Stig

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

Sillybilly

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

Scoham

LargeAddick said:

Watameire said:

He had plenty of chances. Hard working. Zero composure 

Less chances than Miles, same amount of league goals, 1. Just saying.

Miles has had good games at this level though. Tanto it’s been more good moments than good games. I’m not convinced Tanto fully believes he belongs in the Championship.

The Red Robin

Sillybilly said:

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

The Pardew model.

Croydon

Sillybilly said:

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

Can't be fun if you're not one of his favourites either 

Scoham

carly burn said:

Fumbluff said:

Did Jones buy Ahadme? I can’t even remember now I’ve seen so much more shit since then 

He did. His track record for buying and nurturing attacking talent is pretty shocking. Godden aside,who luckily had earned his stripes elsewhere, nearly every attacking threat he's had available has gone to sh*t.

Biggest case in point is Tyreece Campbell. A player that is no further along in his development from the day Jones turned up.
If I was Mbick I'd be banging down Jones door to get out. He'll never make him a player.

That’s not true about TC - remember where he was under Appleton? Completely lost his confidence, wasn’t playing, and Kanu was ahead of him when Jones came in and kept us up.

We thought he might have been released. Instead he got a new deal and had his most productive season last year in terms of appearances, goals and assists.

The end product isn’t there at Championship level, but he’s had to play wing back, does a lot of running and doesn’t see much of the ball.

If anything, TC is the exception, as I agree with the general point around NJ not improving and coaching attacking players in the way we need him to.

ForeverAddickted

LargeAddick said:

Watameire said:

He had plenty of chances. Hard working. Zero composure 

Less chances than Miles, same amount of league goals, 1. Just saying.

Yet if you look how Miles has played of late, battling for every ball, winning the majority of his headers etc.

As Jones said earlier in the season, he doesnt care who sticks it in the back of the net

What I suspect he does care about, is how you contribute to the team as a whole, and if you cant do that, if you cant get involved, make yourself a problem for the opposition in some form of way... Well then you're useless, because we need everyone fighting for us, we can't have passengers.

I was noticing as early as September how Olaofe / Leaburn weren't putting in the effort to press the opposition when they'd replace Kelman and Campbell, its one reason we went from a winning position at Derby, to only earning a draw, because we suddenly started giving their Defence time to pick their passes... Since then Leaburn has worked on his game, and has become a terror in the air... What has Olaofe done?

AberystwythAddick

Croydon said:

Sillybilly said:

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

Can't be fun if you're not one of his favourites either 

Fully in the jones out camp now after this. Feel sorry for Tanto and Apter. Jones’ poor recruitment has ruined their seasons 

The Red Robin

If you’re isolating multiple players there’s only one inevitable outcome. 

Garrymanilow

The Red Robin said:

If you’re isolating multiple players there’s only one inevitable outcome. 

It's difficult to assess without knowing more information though. If Jones is just ignoring players or being too harsh on them outside of games then yes, that's a problem. 

There's another side to it though, which is it's not like Tanto has done anything to honestly give the impression he deserves a long run in the team. I was excited about his signing, I thought he'd be a stronger and more direct TC but his touch and ability to sort his feet out is really poor. So it became about him winning high balls, which he's also not great at. With the exception of possibly the Birmingham game I never really saw anything from him that made me think he should be getting more of a run out there. He was so hard working and difficult for Birmingham to cope with that he got a little run after that and proceeded to be really ineffectual against Oxford and Norwich. Tanto would come on and sometimes be the chaos gremlin we hoped for and sometimes offer absolutely nothing. I remember him coming on against Saints when they'd completely stopped trying and Tanto mostly sort of stood there and miscontrolled just about every ball he got while he was on. I couldn't believe that we'd brought someone fresh on against a team who were already thinking about other things and somehow become less threatening.

If Tanto wasn't feeling the love at Charlton then maybe it's because he didn't do a lot to get it. At Stockport they love him because he scored 20 league goals in their L2 promotion season. He got 8 in L1 and worked hard for them, but all we've seen is moments. That's all Jones has seen too, he was already critical of Tanto's finishing in the League Cup and you could tell from that it had been a frustration in preseason. I think Jones wanted a pacy, strong finisher to bring on late in games and score goals and Tanto wanted to play every game as a starter. Neither got what they wanted but I don't think that's necessarily something to blame Jones for. Of course it might be that he's been bullying him every day behind the scenes, we just don't know, but there's a bit of a lack of ownership of not really being at the level if Tanto feels like he wasn't appreciated. I appreciated the things he did well, but there were only about 4 games where he did them.

letthegoodtimesroll

Croydon said:

Sillybilly said:

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

Can't be fun if you're not one of his favourites either 

Sod’s Law Mitchell takes him out…🤣

thenewbie

AberystwythAddick said:

Croydon said:

Sillybilly said:

Stig said:

Garrymanilow said:

aso914 said:

I don’t think Tanto was up to the levels we needed but Jones’ man management is pretty awful. Tanto said in his interview he missed a feeling of love and feeling valued. 

It's an interesting one though because last season the players kept going on about how good Jones was at managing the squad and how he kept everyone happy even if they weren't playing. We played a fairly consistent lineup last season but there wasn't any noise about players being unhappy and they were the ones in the media talking him up. I don't know what it is this time, if it's the pressure causing fractures, if we haven't done our due diligence on personalities or if it's just that there's a difference in opinion between Jones and the players about whether or not they're good enough. I guess it' easier to justify not playing people when you're at the top of the league table

I think a crucial difference is that last season we were, for the most part, a winning team. This season we are, for the most part, a losing team. No professional footballer wants to be sitting games out, but it's inevitable that it will happen. If the players that are picked are consistently winning, it's very difficult for the others to have any complaints. They may not like it, but there's no real arguments to be had. If the players that are picked are consistently losing, that adds insult to the injury of not being picked. Ergo, no one is happy.

I suspect Jones is great when we’re winning but unbearable when we’re not.  

Can't be fun if you're not one of his favourites either 

Fully in the jones out camp now after this. Feel sorry for Tanto and Apter. Jones’ poor recruitment has ruined their seasons 

I mean another perfectly valid interpretation of that is that Olaofe likes being the biggest fish in the pond and didn't enjoy playing second fiddle to Leaburn etc.
I'm not saying that this IS what happened but it's entirely possible that even if there has been a falling out that the responsibility goes both ways.

tangoflash

I'm currently parked up about 5 miles from Stockport. Should I bring him back?  I did try to convince Gillesphy to come with me though 

msomerton

The transfer is and outs this week, cast serious doubts on the abilities of our recruitment structure, it is like a bad joke at the moment. 

msomerton

Ins and outs it should say. 

SporadicAddick

Why don’t you simply edit the obigmal connent?

SporadicAddick

I mean original comment.

brownbear

Extremely damning reflection of our money signings, that two have been turfed out on loan halfway through the season, and a third in Knibbs has been on the periphery until crocked. Even if funds had been available, if you were the owners would you be happy backing the recruitment team again?

Garrymanilow

brownbear said:

Extremely damning reflection of our money signings, that two have been turfed out on loan halfway through the season, and a third in Knibbs has been on the periphery until crocked. Even if funds had been available, if you were the owners would you be happy backing the recruitment team again?

I don't think it's that damning. It's two players, signed for around £3.5m combined which gets you about one third of Kyogo Furuhashi (who has scored as many goals as each of them), half a Patrick Agyemang, more than half a Josh Coburn, half of Adam Idah. Our strategy was to sign some of the good players - not necessarily all the standouts - from L1 and hope they could make the step up. When your budget is about £10m that's all you can do and we've secured these players on long term deals and hopefully they can come back in the summer and look to kick on. People make such a big fuss on here about the fees we paid and how upset the money men must be but they will know full well that teams around us are paying double the fee we spent on these two players to bring in one player who isn't even necessarily substantially better. We're talking about having a £1.5m player the way a L2 team would. Every signing is a gamble and we don't have the finances to bring in sure things. Neither of them have been terrible, they have shown promise in places and hopefully will show more again next season. If we stay up this season the owners will see it as a total success, which it will have been

J BLOCK

Watameire said:

He had plenty of chances. Hard working. Zero composure 

Let's have it right, he has been rubbish and offered very little.

J BLOCK

tangoflash said:

I'm currently parked up about 5 miles from Stockport. Should I bring him back?  I did try to convince Gillesphy to come with me though 

No 

Crispywood

Seen nothing to convince me that Tanto offers more than what we currently have up top. Only reason this feels like an awful decision is because we paid so much for him, if we had got him on a free we wouldn’t be sat here saying it’s a disgrace. It’s not the player we miss it’s the money 

superclive98

Tanto has shown nothing to say that he is up to Championship level.
The money that we paid is irrelevant, it's gone.
With the forwards that we currently have he wasn't going to play, so the best option is to loan him out and hope he does well.