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+++ Rob Apter signs on four year deal +++
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In my world we would know who scouts the players:
I want someone to own the signing of Ahadme, Kirk and Sorry Rob to mention you in the same sentence but Apter as well.
Let the fan base know who to praise for getting Ramsay from Harrogate and Jones from Cambridge.
I believed and still believe Charlie Kelman was worth paying 3 million for. Edwards from Dunfermline was also excellent and I don't believe he had injuries before he came south ?
The Gasman should never have got more than a 2 year contract even if they thought he was decent and Kirk who mainly looked good at Crewe the first time around because he had Pickering helping him out was given an amazing 5 years ! Blimey his agent was so clever saying Sheff utd were interested.
Those of us that just got involved at grass roots level and had one or two training evenings a week find some of the decisions hard to fathom by people who watch and scout players for a living.
No signing is guaranteed to be successful but if I can say after two matches that I like Apter but he will get exposed as a RWB if either Ramsay isn't playing or we are under the cosh as I don't think he can tackle especially with his right foot then why can't professional football coaches, scouts and Manager's see this.
All of the Charlton side were rubbish at the Valley but Apter was so exposed being a left footer on the right of defence when we were thrashed 1st half against Southampton and they scored a high 🖐🏼.
Kirk was so lightweight how many times was he watched ?
Ahadme looked as limited as Stockley was at the end of his tenure at CAFC as opposed when Jayden was on loan.
We have had Good, the bad and Ugly signings and other than knowing Andy Scott thought Micky Apples was the outstanding candidate it's difficult to know who to 👏🏻and who to 👎🏼.
Just don't get it wrong if giving 4 or 5 year contracts which seems so risky in the jeopardy results business of Professional football at the level we are at.
Big Phil and Nathan should be the guys so let hope incomings fit the system that Jones wants to play next season.
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Here's Harry Clarke's heatmap for the Bristol City game by the way:
Primarily he was in the right wing position in the opposition half and spent as much time on the wing outside the opposition box as he did just inside his own half in the typical wingback spot. Hardly a square peg in a round hole situation for Apter is it?2 -
Love the pocket on the left for long throws2
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Someone, I forget who, did a good synopsis of Clarke. At first he used to run into space and be dangerous. He was then coached to play higher, but didn't have the skillset to beat players from standstill.0
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Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.0 -
Didn't they make it clear that Kelman was bought as a project rather than someone to instantly score 20 goals?wmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.1 -
This is such classic lazy football fan analysis imo. Most 'outrageously gutless performance', really? He had a poor game against arguably the best winger in the league, in a position he shouldn't be playing. Some of us called it after the Watford game that he looked a decent player, but not a wing back in the slightest.Garrymanilow said:AFKABartram said:Disappointed with how this signing has panned out. I remember start of the season when we were playing our best stuff, Bristol City away a long crossfield ball was played to Apter, who was running at full flow, and he took the ball with the outside of his left foot perfectly and didn’t break stride. I thought we had signed a step up in quality.
I could challenge Jones on why he was used so little after that initial period. But we don’t see the day to day effort, and if he said he was just too lightweight I’d struggle to argue. The Championship is more athletic and dynamic than I realised, particularly down the flanks. His frame, pace, strength and style is probably more suited to a central pocket, but we just don’t play that shape.I was excited when we signed him and I really liked him for the first few games but my overriding memories of him are him wasting possession constantly against Millwall when we were actually looking like we might turn them over for once and then sending in one of the most outrageously gutless performances I've seen against Southampton at The Valley. He had a tough job up against Scienza but he didn't have to wave him through absolutely every time he got the ball and refuse to even bring him down. I have this image of him just sort of sticking his leg out a bit as Scienza ran past him and thinking that I can't remember seeing a player look so uninterested in actually putting a tackle in since some of our 2008 era chancers. That game was his chance to show a bit of something to Jones even if we still would have lost but instead after getting caught out for their first two goals he lost interest in even trying and we ended up with Onel Hernandez at right back because at least he was willing to foul people. Onel Hernandez!Apter is obviously a confidence player but his confidence seems to be wrapped up in whether or not he gets to do what he wants, which is a mentality I really hate. Refusing to adapt and fill out your game because you think it's not worth it might work for Eden Hazard but it's not a workable mindset for a Football League player of Apter's standard3 -
Most PR answer ever, they’re not going to heap pressure on signings and say that to protect the player.TheHerminator said:
Didn't they make it clear that Kelman was bought as a project rather than someone to instantly score 20 goals?wmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.Remember when Rodwell said they still had high hopes for Ahadme he’s just been unfortunate with injuries etc etc etc that clearly was all rubbish same will be said about Apter0 -
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.0 -
Don't think I've been accused of lazy analysis before! He had a very poor game against Southampton where he clearly didn't do what he was asked. If you watch the highlights you can see Jones berating him straight after the second goal for his mistakes. He was gutless in the 24 minutes he was out there, watch back his pathetic attempt to defend against Manning's movement for the first goal. He sees him coming, leans a half-hearted shoulder into him and gets brushed off. He just decides to allow him the run at that ball and gives them a goal as a result. Then for the second goal he's caught too high up the pitch and then goes for a leisurely jog back, which is where Jones gets at him. I was sat level with where he was in the West Stand and he repeatedly let Scienza stroll past him with barely a token effort to stop him, Jones was going absolutely mad. At the very least in that position if the most dangerous player has too much for you to win the tackle you need to start putting a foul in to at least stop the breakaway. This isn't stuff that gets excused away with 'the poor little lamb isn't a wingback', this is basic effort and the lowest possible demand of the physical side of the game. It was Charlie Kirk levels of nah mate and that's why Jones took him off as early as he did and didn't trust him again. Hernandez was also awful in a football sense but he was putting in the physical effort, Apter clearly just didn't fancy being there and it was recognised with the early sub. It's not lazy analysis assessing what a player contributed in a game, handwaving away really basic player responsibilities because he's in the wrong 'position' is.cafcsinger said:
This is such classic lazy football fan analysis imo. Most 'outrageously gutless performance', really? He had a poor game against arguably the best winger in the league, in a position he shouldn't be playing. Some of us called it after the Watford game that he looked a decent player, but not a wing back in the slightest.Garrymanilow said:AFKABartram said:Disappointed with how this signing has panned out. I remember start of the season when we were playing our best stuff, Bristol City away a long crossfield ball was played to Apter, who was running at full flow, and he took the ball with the outside of his left foot perfectly and didn’t break stride. I thought we had signed a step up in quality.
I could challenge Jones on why he was used so little after that initial period. But we don’t see the day to day effort, and if he said he was just too lightweight I’d struggle to argue. The Championship is more athletic and dynamic than I realised, particularly down the flanks. His frame, pace, strength and style is probably more suited to a central pocket, but we just don’t play that shape.I was excited when we signed him and I really liked him for the first few games but my overriding memories of him are him wasting possession constantly against Millwall when we were actually looking like we might turn them over for once and then sending in one of the most outrageously gutless performances I've seen against Southampton at The Valley. He had a tough job up against Scienza but he didn't have to wave him through absolutely every time he got the ball and refuse to even bring him down. I have this image of him just sort of sticking his leg out a bit as Scienza ran past him and thinking that I can't remember seeing a player look so uninterested in actually putting a tackle in since some of our 2008 era chancers. That game was his chance to show a bit of something to Jones even if we still would have lost but instead after getting caught out for their first two goals he lost interest in even trying and we ended up with Onel Hernandez at right back because at least he was willing to foul people. Onel Hernandez!Apter is obviously a confidence player but his confidence seems to be wrapped up in whether or not he gets to do what he wants, which is a mentality I really hate. Refusing to adapt and fill out your game because you think it's not worth it might work for Eden Hazard but it's not a workable mindset for a Football League player of Apter's standard5 -
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Not in the squad again, if he’s not injured it’s really not a good look to say we thought he was going to be a championship player all season, has he spat the dummy out again? Will be amazed if we see him in a charlton shirt for a league game again, can’t get my head around this one as he looked ok, very strange this one.2
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He hasn’t though, has he . I like him- I think there’s something there but 5 open play goals all season isn’t good , even in our negative system.Danny Addick said:
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.0 -
Would agree he hasn’t justified his price tag however all his open play goals besides the Blackburn one and assist for dykes at Bristol city have all required high levels of quality.wmcf123 said:
He hasn’t though, has he . I like him- I think there’s something there but 5 open play goals all season isn’t good , even in our negative system.Danny Addick said:
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.He’s at least shown especially at Hull that he can definitely play at this level we just need to find out how to consistently get the best out of him4 -
7 goals is as many as Zan Vipotnik got last season, which was his first at Swansea, and that was in 42 games, not Kelman's 33. 7 is a decent return for a young striker in his first season at a club playing at a higher level, it will be about how he does next season now.wmcf123 said:
He hasn’t though, has he . I like him- I think there’s something there but 5 open play goals all season isn’t good , even in our negative system.Danny Addick said:
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.20 -
Kelman is going to be mustard next year - you watch.Garrymanilow said:
7 goals is as many as Zan Vipotnik got last season, which was his first at Swansea, and that was in 42 games, not Kelman's 33. 7 is a decent return for a young striker in his first season at a club playing at a higher level, it will be about how he does next season now.wmcf123 said:
He hasn’t though, has he . I like him- I think there’s something there but 5 open play goals all season isn’t good , even in our negative system.Danny Addick said:
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.6 -
Presumably it’s not the scouts fault for offering 4-5 year contracts though.soapboxsam said:In my world we would know who scouts the players:
I want someone to own the signing of Ahadme, Kirk and Sorry Rob to mention you in the same sentence but Apter as well.
Let the fan base know who to praise for getting Ramsay from Harrogate and Jones from Cambridge.
I believed and still believe Charlie Kelman was worth paying 3 million for. Edwards from Dunfermline was also excellent and I don't believe he had injuries before he came south ?
The Gasman should never have got more than a 2 year contract even if they thought he was decent and Kirk who mainly looked good at Crewe the first time around because he had Pickering helping him out was given an amazing 5 years ! Blimey his agent was so clever saying Sheff utd were interested.
Those of us that just got involved at grass roots level and had one or two training evenings a week find some of the decisions hard to fathom by people who watch and scout players for a living.
No signing is guaranteed to be successful but if I can say after two matches that I like Apter but he will get exposed as a RWB if either Ramsay isn't playing or we are under the cosh as I don't think he can tackle especially with his right foot then why can't professional football coaches, scouts and Manager's see this.
All of the Charlton side were rubbish at the Valley but Apter was so exposed being a left footer on the right of defence when we were thrashed 1st half against Southampton and they scored a high 🖐🏼.
Kirk was so lightweight how many times was he watched ?
Ahadme looked as limited as Stockley was at the end of his tenure at CAFC as opposed when Jayden was on loan.
We have had Good, the bad and Ugly signings and other than knowing Andy Scott thought Micky Apples was the outstanding candidate it's difficult to know who to 👏🏻and who to 👎🏼.
Just don't get it wrong if giving 4 or 5 year contracts which seems so risky in the jeopardy results business of Professional football at the level we are at.
Big Phil and Nathan should be the guys so let hope incomings fit the system that Jones wants to play next season.They’ve played a part in bringing a player to the attention of our recruitment/management/ownership, but they are not the ones who have agreed a wage or contract length which doesn’t match the player signed.0 -
I don’t believe you are right but certainly you are entitled to your opinion on him.wmcf123 said:
He hasn’t though, has he . I like him- I think there’s something there but 5 open play goals all season isn’t good , even in our negative system.Danny Addick said:
Agree, other than Kelman. He’s been goodwmcf123 said:
Kaminski, Burke , JRC, Apter and Tanto in one window was quite special. I’ll forgive him Knibbs, just. Kelman not an unqualified success either .Starinnaddick said:The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.1 -
When he was subbed off against Southampton I really thought he would never play for us again. He did just once, I think, against Middlesbrough at home but I think we will cut our losses on this one. Looks a neat and tidy player but was never going to fit here (IMO).0
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Problem is finding a club that will actually want to take him may be forced to loan him out againns9 said:When he was subbed off against Southampton I really thought he would never play for us again. He did just once, I think, against Middlesbrough at home but I think we will cut our losses on this one. Looks a neat and tidy player but was never going to fit here (IMO).0
