Fat Jab

Baldybonce

ShootersHillGuru said:

Baldybonce said:

shine166 said:

Baldybonce said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

A Gregg's sausage roll is £1.65.
An apple is 50p.

To be fair if you work outside an apple doesn't really cut it at 6 in the morning.

3 apples for £1.50 ?   

Indeed they are.
A worrying trend i have noticed at Greggs is the amount of schoolkids getting their breakfast and eating it while walking to school. Not only unhealthy but expensive.

That’s an interesting point. I know local authorities are being far more strict with fast food “joints “ being given permission near schools and in all honesty I don’t think Greggs are that much better in those terms. 

At the other end of the day you'll see nearly every schoolkid in Woolwich has got a box of chicken and chips.
Mrs Baldys theory is these kids have probably never seen a 3 veg meal as they're from single parent families and mum is at work or too tired to do it.

BalladMan

Funny article from Richard Herring on why he won’t use a weight loss jab: https://open.substack.com/pub/richardherring/p/ozempic-bronze?r=jmr3o&utm_medium=ios

Leroy Ambrose

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

It can be done - like you, I'm living proof of it. However, not everybody is like us. For plenty of people it's pretty much impossible for the to lose weight and keep it off. The modern office life isn't exactly compatible with a healthy lifestyle - especially if you have a family as well. The fat jab is an incredible chance at changing the outcome of long term health prospects for a huge swtahe of the population - I'd argue that anyone even at the lowest levels of obesity could benefit from it - if we gave it to people before they even got to the second level of what's determined to be obese (BMI is such a bullshit way to measure this) we'd stop type 2 diabetes almost dead in its tracks, and heart disease would be massively cut as well. For me, it's the same argument about drugs. Legalise all drugs and the net positive effect on society with the associated education in crime is a massive positive. 

ShootersHillGuru

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

Interesting story Dazzler. Any reason why you went from being a fitness coach to being overweight in the first place ? Good you’re so focused now. 👍

ME14addick

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

I too have  been up and down with my weight most of my life. yes, of course it can be done, but it is not at all easy. An alcoholic cannot drink if they want to beat their addiction, drug addicts need to stop taking drugs to beat their addiction, gamblers have to stop gambling, people who have food addictions, for whatever reason, still have to eat.   

ShootersHillGuru

Leroy Ambrose said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

It can be done - like you, I'm living proof of it. However, not everybody is like us. For plenty of people it's pretty much impossible for the to lose weight and keep it off. The modern office life isn't exactly compatible with a healthy lifestyle - especially if you have a family as well. The fat jab is an incredible chance at changing the outcome of long term health prospects for a huge swtahe of the population - I'd argue that anyone even at the lowest levels of obesity could benefit from it - if we gave it to people before they even got to the second level of what's determined to be obese (BMI is such a bullshit way to measure this) we'd stop type 2 diabetes almost dead in its tracks, and heart disease would be massively cut as well. For me, it's the same argument about drugs. Legalise all drugs and the net positive effect on society with the associated education in crime is a massive positive. 

BMI used to be the gold standard but as you say it’s now just a tool in the armoury of weight related diagnostics. It still irritates me when I see the BMI chart displayed in various clinics for whatever purpose. It’s crude and although not altogether discredited it’s way down the list of useful tools. 

Dazzler21

ShootersHillGuru said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

Interesting story Dazzler. Any reason why you went from being a fitness coach to being overweight in the first place ? Good you’re so focused now. 👍

I took an office job but kept eating like I was training every day at the same intensity. Shock I wasn't. 

I managed to lose a lot of weight in my mid 20s when I was marathon training too. But then since COVID regained a lot through inactivity and persistent injuries. Again reducing the diet back down was a challenge as I'd gone from burning 500-800 extra calories a day to maybe 100-200, but WFH had made me almost completely sedentary, barring the odd school run or failed return to activity. 

This time round I've just been super strict with myself and know that if I continue being strict I can build muscle back up slowly, whilst keeping the majority of fat from coming back. 

Just to confirm for others I support the fat jab and for many of the reasons Leroy says. I've seen it work now for both my sister and my best friends wife. Neither of them could maintain suitable lifestyles to lose it naturally. 

My weight gain spikes usually coincided with trying to bulk up unsurprisingly, then I'd hate what I saw in the mirror and switched back to weight loss. This time though as I say, I'm comfortable with taking a lot longer on my journey. 

ShootersHillGuru

Dazzler21 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

Interesting story Dazzler. Any reason why you went from being a fitness coach to being overweight in the first place ? Good you’re so focused now. 👍

I took an office job but kept eating like I was training every day at the same intensity. Shock I wasn't. 

I managed to lose a lot of weight in my mid 20s when I was marathon training too. But then since COVID regained a lot through inactivity and persistent injuries. Again reducing the diet back down was a challenge as I'd gone from burning 500-800 extra calories a day to maybe 100-200, but WFH had made me almost completely sedentary, barring the odd school run or failed return to activity. 

This time round I've just been super strict with myself and know that if I continue being strict I can build muscle back up slowly, whilst keeping the majority of fat from coming back. 

Just to confirm for others I support the fat jab and for many of the reasons Leroy says. I've seen it work now for both my sister and my best friends wife. Neither of them could maintain suitable lifestyles to lose it naturally. 

My weight gain spikes usually coincided with trying to bulk up unsurprisingly, then I'd hate what I saw in the mirror and switched back to weight loss. This time though as I say, I'm comfortable with taking a lot longer on my journey. 

Respect 👍

Leroy Ambrose

ShootersHillGuru said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Dazzler21 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms. 

If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that 

It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.

If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.

I've lost and regained weight over the years. In January I was 96kg today I am 73kg. I have lost muscle mass from reducing the amount of resistance training and upping cardio which in turn has slowed my weight loss journey. It can be done with very strict self control. 

No Jab. Just diet and exercise and it has been brutal. I also in my younger years worked as a fitness instructor focusing on helping people lose weight and recover from injuries. 

I know the cycle better than most. 

It can be done - like you, I'm living proof of it. However, not everybody is like us. For plenty of people it's pretty much impossible for the to lose weight and keep it off. The modern office life isn't exactly compatible with a healthy lifestyle - especially if you have a family as well. The fat jab is an incredible chance at changing the outcome of long term health prospects for a huge swtahe of the population - I'd argue that anyone even at the lowest levels of obesity could benefit from it - if we gave it to people before they even got to the second level of what's determined to be obese (BMI is such a bullshit way to measure this) we'd stop type 2 diabetes almost dead in its tracks, and heart disease would be massively cut as well. For me, it's the same argument about drugs. Legalise all drugs and the net positive effect on society with the associated education in crime is a massive positive. 

BMI used to be the gold standard but as you say it’s now just a tool in the armoury of weight related diagnostics. It still irritates me when I see the BMI chart displayed in various clinics for whatever purpose. It’s crude and although not altogether discredited it’s way down the list of useful tools. 

Yeah - it's nonsense. My BMI is listed at 21.7 - I guarantee you I am fitter and leaner than most people you know in their twenties, let alone fifties. It's a blunt instrument that doesn't take into account anything like genetics, body type or muscle mass into account. It's the same when I see people talk about resting heart rate being showing how fit someone is - it's an indicator, nothing more, nothing less. 

cantersaddick

Huskaris said:

CAFC_CAT said:

Apologies if what I'm about to say offends anyone but having followed this thread for a couple of days I can't resist to express my opinions now. 

As an outsider from another complete different culture, this thread is eye-opening... I must admit many of you seem so easily misled. Treating obesity with jabs instead of controlling the amount of junk food/processed food you take in daily? Meanwhile, big food suppliers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors and many other 3rd parties who have financial gains out of this must all be laughing their heads off. 

This issue exists solely because of a lack of integrity from those organisations (and researchers!) and an alarmingly huge lack of collective awareness of the downsides of processed food, junk food and sugar etc. If a higher level of awareness of those kinds of stuff exists, many people won't get to half of their level of obesity in the first place let alone having to rely on any sort of medical treatment.

I'm sorry this all sounds very harsh but corporations and organisations deliberately pushing fat jabs to become the norm instead of addressing the harm of processed food, unhealthy diet, lack of exercise is simply morally wrong. I don't think any of you should be blamed. It's those organisations' (and the government's) fault.

Who honestly doesn't know the dangers of processed food in this day and age? It's literally like saying we need more education about the dangers of smoking. 

People know, they just keep doing it. 

Would we tell people who use smoking patches to just get some willpower and avoid big corporations trying to make patches become the norm etc? 

I think anyone who says that obesity is due to a lack of education is underestimating the size (literally) of the problem. As if you went up to an obese person and told them the benefits of broccoli and the drawbacks of fried mars bars they will all of a sudden have a road to Damascus moment. Some people have gluttony and laziness (when it comes to food) hardwired into their brains, I certainly do. Now I'm just lazy and not gluttonous. Those jabs are literally what stops people craving the processed food. It isn't about time, it isn't about money, it isn't about education, it's about craving sugar and fried food.

Fundamentally some people are not able to limit the amount of junk food they take in, because their hormones/brains work differently to yours, which is literally what these jabs change. Hearing from people who don't have this issue eulogizing about how people need to exercise more and eat differently is a) tedious and b) ignorant. I'm not even annoyed or blaming you, you're actually what I would call the "average" view on the jabs to be fair, both in terms of society and intelligence.

I agree with the start of this post but its incredibly naive, against so much scientific research and frankly displaying a ridiculous level of privilege if you think time and money have no impact. They are major major factors in determinats of health in lower socio economic groups. Education is a little more questionable as a lot of information is out there but there is still an important point of how well this information is got across to poorer kids in worse schools.

cantersaddick

Huskaris said:

shine166 said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

That's not really the case though overall, you've picked the very extreme end of the scale. A McDonald's bigmac meal is £9 and fills 1 person up for a hour. I can make a cheap family meal for 3 for £10 full of nutrition and relatively healthy. 

A Greg's sausage roll is a snack full of garbage and zero nutrition, takes 2 mins to chop some fruit/veg and make a wrap for a child. 

Don't get me wrong, people on benefits and/or single parents must be having a really rough time right now. 

Agree with this. 

I do thing that claiming it's all just financial/education based is misunderstanding the problem. 

It's not cheap to eat shit, eating good food is not prohibitively expensive at all in my opinion. Some of the deals on veg in Lidl/Aldi etc are amazing. It can be done. 

On the education piece, it's the bigotry of low expectations, the idea that fat people are just ill educated really offends me.

My personal view (as someone who has spent more of my adult years bordering overweight than normal) is that people generally eat too much for a reason, just like how happy people don't tend to take up heroin. 

If you watch one of those shows with morbidly obese people trying to lose weight, they almost always have a "trauma" they are eating to forget about. This is why for me there are a lot parralels with drug/alcohol abuse. 

You are treating this as a very black and white issue when actually it's incredibly multifaceted. No one is denying the addiction/trauma/psychological element to this - or at least I haven't seen anyone on here say so. But to say that the financial/time/educational/societal impact aren't also relevant is plain wrong. They can either be the source of the trauma or factors that push people towards unhealthy habits thay develop into addiction. 

As for the cost debate comparimg the cost of a piece of fruit with a big mac or greggs is the complete wrong comparison. Pre made ultra processed meal or meal elements from supermarkets are often significantly cheaper than all the ingredients to cook from scratch. And that's before you think about the time and convenience element. Family where both parents are working full time and needing to get their kids fed quickly when they get home from work have little other choice. For many this is the origin of the unhealthy habits, bad relationship with food, psychological element.

Socioeconomic status/deprivation is the biggest determinant of a person's healthy life expectancy.

MrOneLung

Baldybonce said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Baldybonce said:

shine166 said:

Baldybonce said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.

Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it. 

Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.

Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue. 

A Gregg's sausage roll is £1.65.
An apple is 50p.

To be fair if you work outside an apple doesn't really cut it at 6 in the morning.

3 apples for £1.50 ?   

Indeed they are.
A worrying trend i have noticed at Greggs is the amount of schoolkids getting their breakfast and eating it while walking to school. Not only unhealthy but expensive.

That’s an interesting point. I know local authorities are being far more strict with fast food “joints “ being given permission near schools and in all honesty I don’t think Greggs are that much better in those terms. 

At the other end of the day you'll see nearly every schoolkid in Woolwich has got a box of chicken and chips.
Mrs Baldys theory is these kids have probably never seen a 3 veg meal as they're from single parent families and mum is at work or too tired to do it.

Or more likely, it tastes nice and is easy ‘fast food’ to have with their mates 

Carter

I've lost about 15 kilos since April through knocking a couple of bad habits on the head. Still some more poundage to shift and its getting harder as it now requires me to get my arse in the gym which in itself i like its gym people I don't like ("if you want to train abs mate you need to be doing xxxxx") fuck off. Then these bores spending their entire evenings in the gym not having a fucking shower afterwards. Anyway 

If I don't manage to get over the wall I've hit I'm very tempted to use wegovy or mounjaro to help me out. I don't want to die a fat bastard before I hit 50 and if a drug that isnt dickie helps me do that I'm very willing to try it. The sulphur farts and burps put me off however the amount of kidney, borlotti, cannelleni, adzuki beans (those bastards are the friend of the man or woman wanting to be less fat) I'm eating means i am doing plenty of bad farting. 

I do a relatively physical job when its physical so probably don't need the gym those days but weirdly they are the days I have the energy and desire to do it, when I've been sat at a computer all day I am generally too low on energy and just want to park my arse on the sofa. 

Knocking mid-week boozing on the head has helped a huge amount and keeps me put of the kebab house 

Huskaris

ShootersHillGuru said:

To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.

The NHS expects to prescribe Mounjaro to around 220,000 patients in the first rollout. Meanwhile 1.5 million people are estimated to be on weight loss jabs in the UK.

I believe it is estimated that millions more could benefit from them.  

I think the financial case for rolling this out further couldn't be clearer. I completely agree with your parameter of 35+. 29% of people in the UK are 30+.

The amount the NHS would save through this preventative medication would be unbelievable.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Huskaris said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.

The NHS expects to prescribe Mounjaro to around 220,000 patients in the first rollout. Meanwhile 1.5 million people are estimated to be on weight loss jabs in the UK.

I believe it is estimated that millions more could benefit from them.  

I think the financial case for rolling this out further couldn't be clearer. I completely agree with your parameter of 35+. 29% of people in the UK are 30+.

The amount the NHS would save through this preventative medication would be unbelievable.

Do people need to remain on the medication and what are the side effects?

Leroy Ambrose

Huskaris said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.

The NHS expects to prescribe Mounjaro to around 220,000 patients in the first rollout. Meanwhile 1.5 million people are estimated to be on weight loss jabs in the UK.

I believe it is estimated that millions more could benefit from them.  

I think the financial case for rolling this out further couldn't be clearer. I completely agree with your parameter of 35+. 29% of people in the UK are 30+.

The amount the NHS would save through this preventative medication would be unbelievable.

Problem is, it's short term expenditure to fix long term problems, and there isn't a single political party willing to do that

Huskaris

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Huskaris said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.

The NHS expects to prescribe Mounjaro to around 220,000 patients in the first rollout. Meanwhile 1.5 million people are estimated to be on weight loss jabs in the UK.

I believe it is estimated that millions more could benefit from them.  

I think the financial case for rolling this out further couldn't be clearer. I completely agree with your parameter of 35+. 29% of people in the UK are 30+.

The amount the NHS would save through this preventative medication would be unbelievable.

Do people need to remain on the medication and what are the side effects?

Side effects are documented and mixed. There's as many good as bad (gallbladder issues, pancreas issues, women with PCOS having symptoms reversed, people addicted to alcohol losing all desire for it).

In terms of needing to remain on the medication, it seems like once you come off it you do pile the weight back on in a lot of cases. 

People talk about how it's all about lifestyle changes and if you don't make them you put the weight back on, that's completely correct but it misses the point. The drug enables you to make the lifestyle changes (I've gone from eating fried food to salads and I love it) the issue is that once you are off the drug, you crave those things again. 

For me it's not lifestyle changes, it's a fundamental underlying addiction that this drug completely nullifies. In fairness this might not be the case for many other users who just need a helping hand 

It turns a switch off in your head. A lot of people will understand that because they experience it, a lot of people won't.

KBslittlesis

ME14addick said:

shine166 said:

ME14addick said:

The Nutracheck app I use is based on 1200 calories a day, for me to lose 2lbs a week. My Fitbit is connected to the app and if I do enough steps it allows extra calories, usually up to 1400 in total. Women need fewer calories than men and the menopause certainly increases the difficulty in shifting excess weight.

Exercise is a problem for me as I have arthritis in both ankles and now use a walking pole if I go out. I have severe over pronation in one ankle, which makes my walking unbalanced and affects my hips as well. In order to increase my exercise, I have found that marching on the spot has helped boost my step count. I can walk a bit further now having lost 2 stones and hopefully will be able to do more, as more weight comes off.

Swimming would be a good option as there's less pressure on joints.

It is, but I have only ever been able to do breast stroke and hate putting my head under water. Since I had a knee replacement, the breast stroke leg action affects the replaced knee. Doing breast stroke with kicking legs crawl fashion is not easy to do.

I have mastered the breaststroke arms and freestyle legs when I swim in open water as it’s more sociable and breaststroke legs hurts one of my knees.

Solidgone

The other important issue is that some people don’t know when to stop eating. I get to the point when I physically cannot devour another morsel (not the extreme sort aka Monsieur Cresote) but I wonder whether theres a chemical action in the body that is nullified by obese people that continue to eat even though they are full?

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Solidgone said:

The other important issue is that some people don’t know when to stop eating. I get to the point when I physically cannot devour another morsel (not the extreme sort aka Monsieur Cresote) but I wonder whether theres a chemical action in the body that is nullified by obese people that continue to eat even though they are full?

Easy to put weight on if you eat 'empty' calories - certain foods simply don't leave you feeling full. Sugar is the biggest culprit - gets added to loads of processed food but not always labelled clearly.

ThomasOliver3

After being incredibly fit until I was 35ish I've really piled on the weight and developed a terrible relationship with food, essentially an eating disorder. Every year I lose 20kgs in 4/5months by doing all that people have been saying 10k+ steps a day additional cardio and resistance training and then something hits and it's all reversed if not worse. 

Most people will say obesity is just laziness but really it's an illness, just one that's not very well understood especially the mental and physical connections. It's become life altering for me in terms of my mental health and ability to live the life I want and did when I played football semi-professionally and completed Olympic triathlons. 

To that end in 3 weeks time i'll be getting gastric sleeve surgery privately. It's drastic but I can't wait to take control of my life again and enjoy the things I used to do. Recent studies say that obesity has overtaken smoking as a major contributor to deaths, so this will be life changing for me. I honestly believe more should be done to help people and if the jabs are part of the cure then so be it.

Someone who's been on a similar journey is Neil Ruddock, and his recent book is a good read.

Good luck to everyone fighting the fat

ME14addick

Solidgone said:

The other important issue is that some people don’t know when to stop eating. I get to the point when I physically cannot devour another morsel (not the extreme sort aka Monsieur Cresote) but I wonder whether theres a chemical action in the body that is nullified by obese people that continue to eat even though they are full?

It takes my body a long time to register that I'm full, by that time I can eat far too much. 

T_C_E

At Redmidlands memorial service back at the end of July, Angie and I had a photo with Wallys seat in the NW quadrant in the background.
She sent me the photo later that night, struth I’ve never been the most photogenic but the waistline was horrendous and I hopped on the bathroom scales that night and at 15st 9lbs I was heavier than I’d ever been.
Convinced the scales were knackered, we bought a new one with sadly the same results, from the 30th July the day after Wallys memorial I started a strict “no rubbish “ diet and upped my exercise from six miles walking to nearer ten on a daily basis with an hour at least on treadmill with incline during the day top up after the dogs have been exercised and a little kettle bell exercise following that.
This weekend I expect my weight to fall into the top end of 13st after weighing in today at 14st 0lbs 7oz . 

Chuffed is an understatement, feeling so much better mentally as well as physically.
My goal is a pair of 34” waist Levi 501 that have been hanging in my wardrobe for many a year to see the light of day again. 😂🙏

blackpool72

My weight peaked about 8 months ago  at 17.10.
I set myself a double target of getting below 16 stone and staying there.
It took me about 6 months to get below 16 stone but it's a constant battle trying to stay there.
I'm currently 16 .2 and the battle continues. 

ElfsborgAddick

blackpool72 said:

My weight peaked about 8 months ago  at 17.10.
I set myself a double target of getting below 16 stone and staying there.
It took me about 6 months to get below 16 stone but it's a constant battle trying to stay there.
I'm currently 16 .2 and the battle continues. 

Fair play Rambo, to lose a stone you no doubt feel a lot better.

ElfsborgAddick

T_C_E said:

At Redmidlands memorial service back at the end of July, Angie and I had a photo with Wallys seat in the NW quadrant in the background.
She sent me the photo later that night, struth I’ve never been the most photogenic but the waistline was horrendous and I hopped on the bathroom scales that night and at 15st 9lbs I was heavier than I’d ever been.
Convinced the scales were knackered, we bought a new one with sadly the same results, from the 30th July the day after Wallys memorial I started a strict “no rubbish “ diet and upped my exercise from six miles walking to nearer ten on a daily basis with an hour at least on treadmill with incline during the day top up after the dogs have been exercised and a little kettle bell exercise following that.
This weekend I expect my weight to fall into the top end of 13st after weighing in today at 14st 0lbs 7oz . 

Chuffed is an understatement, feeling so much better mentally as well as physically.
My goal is a pair of 34” waist Levi 501 that have been hanging in my wardrobe for many a year to see the light of day again. 😂🙏

Well done you

I did similar with a couple of t-shirts I had that I really liked.  After my heart attack I lost around two stones and one day I tried said tops on and I felt so good that they were loose instead of being skin/flab tight!

Losing weight can be easy, the hard thing is to avoid putting it back on.