POST-MATCH THREAD: Derby County v Charlton Athletic: Tuesday 30th September 2025: KO 20.00

Redvalleyeast

Gisappointed said:

I was disappointed how their defender had so much space to take his jump unchallenged. We cannot afford more of that and Kaminski should have got closer to a far post header. 

Ive watched their goal back, is it me or does Kaminski seem to pull his arms back towards his body rather than extending towards the ball? It just looks like a weird motion🤷‍♂️

MuttleyCAFC

Can't blame Kaminski for that. Headers are very hard for keepers because they have no setting time. You have to hope they are headed near you but that was headed in the bottom corner.

king addick

Would have kept Kelman on and taken TC off initially. Felt Kelman was growing into the game and offered more. 

Its a good point and any point on the road is good. The Derby guys header was a good goal, didnt have to put power on it, just enough to nestle in the corner. 

Be happy with a draw at Preston but we will see! 

Thought Ramsay had a shocker personally. Some of his decisions made him look like like a novice. 

MuttleyCAFC

Braziliance said:

Also surprised to see negative comments about Agyemang, thought he looked a real handful and a player who could live up to his price tag. Thought we struggled physically for a change.

Matt Clarke as well, what a player, best centre back we have come up against so far this season, you can see why Brighton took a plunge those years back.

Not much to say for our boys, thought we looked tired, hopefully we look a bit more lively for Preston.

There is an edge to the Derby fans which I don't think helps the team. They are peed off but they have to back their players and manager more, not be so ready to jump down their throats.

killerandflash

It must be easier for bald players to head the ball, as they have a bigger forehead to attack it with 

ross1

MuttleyCAFC said:

Braziliance said:

Also surprised to see negative comments about Agyemang, thought he looked a real handful and a player who could live up to his price tag. Thought we struggled physically for a change.

Matt Clarke as well, what a player, best centre back we have come up against so far this season, you can see why Brighton took a plunge those years back.

Not much to say for our boys, thought we looked tired, hopefully we look a bit more lively for Preston.

There is an edge to the Derby fans which I don't think helps the team. They are peed off but they have to back their players and manager more, not be so ready to jump down their throats.

Like our fans with NJ early last season 😀

RonnieMoore

king addick said:

Would have kept Kelman on and taken TC off initially. Felt Kelman was growing into the game and offered more. 

Its a good point and any point on the road is good. The Derby guys header was a good goal, didnt have to put power on it, just enough to nestle in the corner. 

Be happy with a draw at Preston but we will see! 

Thought Ramsay had a shocker personally. Some of his decisions made him look like like a novice. 

You can see that Kelman is getting up to match speed after not having a pre season .. he was excellent on Tuesday , two good efforts on goal the take down … and the lovely ball across the face of an open goal where somehow Campbell slipped over .. the chances we had at the end are the chances that Kelman was brought for 

cafcsinger

RonnieMoore said:

king addick said:

Would have kept Kelman on and taken TC off initially. Felt Kelman was growing into the game and offered more. 

Its a good point and any point on the road is good. The Derby guys header was a good goal, didnt have to put power on it, just enough to nestle in the corner. 

Be happy with a draw at Preston but we will see! 

Thought Ramsay had a shocker personally. Some of his decisions made him look like like a novice. 

You can see that Kelman is getting up to match speed after not having a pre season .. he was excellent on Tuesday , two good efforts on goal the take down … and the lovely ball across the face of an open goal where somehow Campbell slipped over .. the chances we had at the end are the chances that Kelman was brought for 

Yet he doesn’t seem to ever get in those positions 

southamptonaddick

cafcsinger said:

RonnieMoore said:

king addick said:

Would have kept Kelman on and taken TC off initially. Felt Kelman was growing into the game and offered more. 

Its a good point and any point on the road is good. The Derby guys header was a good goal, didnt have to put power on it, just enough to nestle in the corner. 

Be happy with a draw at Preston but we will see! 

Thought Ramsay had a shocker personally. Some of his decisions made him look like like a novice. 

You can see that Kelman is getting up to match speed after not having a pre season .. he was excellent on Tuesday , two good efforts on goal the take down … and the lovely ball across the face of an open goal where somehow Campbell slipped over .. the chances we had at the end are the chances that Kelman was brought for 

Yet he doesn’t seem to ever get in those positions 

Bit difficult if he's not on the pitch 

eastterrace6168

When Kelman clicks, he'll probably do it in style with a perfect hat trick...hopefully Saturday...🙌🙌

Callumcafc

Lloyd Jones and James Bree in the team of midweek.

https://efl.com/news/2025/october/02/five-of-whoscored-s-top-midweek-performers-in-the-sky-bet-championship/

Lloyd Jones – 8.2 – Charlton Athletic

Jones anchored Charlton’s defence in a 1-1 draw at Pride Park, helping them extend their unbeaten league run to four games. The centre-back won 9 aerial duels, made 3 tackles, 4 interceptions, and 13 clearances, keeping Derby’s sustained pressure at bay. His composure against Derby’s physical attack and his leadership was vital in securing the point and maintaining Charlton’s strong defensive record.

cafcnick1992

I just feel like Lloyd Jones should be in the team of the week by default, unless someone else does something truly spectacular

jimmymelrose

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Mendonca In Asdas said:

fenaddick said:

I know it's early and I know the point feels a bit disappointing but how nice does this look?

Particularly as TC, Leaburn, Kelman, and Godden (granted he’s been out injured) haven’t notched a goal in the league, yet, I think it’s incredible, we are where we are.

If you can get your strikers scoring, we’d be a lot higher in the table, probably in the top 6.

If there all still on a low goals tally, maybe that’s where we need to invest in, in January?

I doubt we have budget left to be honest, even if we did can’t exactly carry 6 strikers on the books, we have 4 very young strikers have to trust in Jones to develop them 

Would help if they got some service. Problem is our set up negates that. TC cant deliver a cross & isnt really a wide man either. Bree is about the only player who can put a decent ball in the box.....but not helped by having Kelman& TC trying to finish it off. Carlton Morris would thrive in this team.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the fact that we wont score many goals. Our defence is sound so shouldn't let in too many. Not a great watch tbh, but then we all wanted promotion and drawing away to Derby is a lot better than losing away to Burton....so it is what it is. 

I think it's been a great watch golfie. We're 8th in the league, and have played some properly good football. And playing the Charlton way. 

What are you expecting if you think it's not looked good mate? 

It’s not a complaint because I’m very pleased to be  out of League One (hopefully for many years) but I don’t see how you can find it ’great to watch.’ I think that you’re too influenced by results if that’s your opinion.
We have our moments of beautiful play like the build up to our goal yesterday, but otherwise we’re a team that play long balls in possession and bite at the oppositions’ heels out of possession. It creates a game of lots of stops and starts and generally attritional football.

I’ve watched 4 games (Watford, Leicester,  Millwall, Derby (all on TV so far)) and there is little entertainment. The best was probably Millwall in this respect imo. As a spectator the feeling is akin to how Kelman probably feels playing. That’s probably the best way of describing how I feel actually: if we played to Kelman’s strengths then we’d be playing more free flowing on the ground football which is better to watch.

That said, I just want us to stay up. If we did that by banging it 1000 miles into the air 60 times a match to get 0-0 draws, 46 points and stay up on GD then it would be job done for this and next season.

It's always a game of opinions, but I'd say the way we are going about our business in the championship is much better on the eye than the way we went about getting promotion last season, especially towards the end, and the play off games.

We had to grind out results at times. 

We've evolved massively imho this season, and are playing a better tempo, with more dynamism and end product, be it without a big goal difference, against opposition that are so much more physical, so much more technical and very seasoned to this league and from the prem, with a good handful of clubs in this league being there recently. 

The gap between L1 and the champ is Colossus. 
Saying there was little entertainment for the games you've watched, especially  the Leicester game, is selling us well short. 
We're never going to play football like man City or the like, and we may be 'industrious' at times. That's the Charlton way. We pride ourselves to work harder than the opposition , with gulie and skill thrown in for good measure. We are a club of battlers, who make sure IF we are beaten, the opposition will know they have gone to hell and back to achieve that. 

This is what Charlton are all about, we will also evolve and be become more fluent as the season progresses. 

I'm sure to that we will have a period of losses, as teams learn to deal with us. It's par for the course. 

However, we are, and always will be, a club that is greater than the sum of our parts.

These performances we are giving, have been widely commended and praised. 

If you're not entertained, inclusive of the way we've conducted our journey back in the championship after many seasons away, I wonder what you're looking for, in us. 

That’s the first time ever that I’ve heard anyone speak of ’the Charlton way.’ The only club I’ve heard that phrase used with is West Ham.

I agree that we appreciate hard working players. Supporters want to see a player give 100% but so too do supporters of all other clubs, in all playing systems.

However, it’s not about whether players are hard working or not, it’s about the system of play. To suggest that we’ve always played this system is wrong. By saying ’the Charlton Way’ you are implying that NJ’s brand of football respects Charlton tradition. Really? I don’t think that you’re a newbie so how can you suggest this?

It’s not quite correct to ask ’what I’m looking for’ as I’ve already said that I’m happy to accept this system for the foreseeable future. Long term though it would be nice to have some of what we’ve seen in the past. Lifers have asked earnestly why opposition supporters don’t like NJ, and if you can’t see that then it’s because you’re not able to imagine  watching us through the eyes of a neutral, or a supporter who wishes to see the true competences of our players shine through. Carey and Kelman, for example can be players that get you of the edge of your seat but our system strangles this from happening for more than a cumulative 3-4 minutes a match. I suppose that the answer to your question is that I’m looking for a higher cumulative rate than that.

MuttleyCAFC

I am just looking at winning football. We have had so much crap in recent years we shouldn't be bothered how we achieve it as long it is within the laws of the game.

letthegoodtimesroll

I’ve heard ex-professionals say that it used to take them around 6 games into the season to start to get properly match fit. The intensity of this division so far and the multitude of substitutions probably pushes that out a little longer. That players can look a bit tied, leggy, knackered or whatever is no surprise given how we are battling away all match; and full kudos to those players that are coming on off the bench because they have to instantly get into the pace and rhythm of the match and these look like tough games to do that. We’ve got 4 games this month which should iron out any residual match fitness gaps for everyone that still needs it, then we can start to see where we are and what needs work. In the meantime I’m enjoying the ride and trusting Nathan.