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Oi you lot, Rob Apter. Whats going on? - 28/01/26 gone on loan to Bolton (p7)
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I hope that we dont give up on him so soon... But feels like Rob himself needs to put in a bit of work over the summer himself to ensure that.4
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We didn’t persist with Ahadme ended up playing Godden instead and got promoted if a player isn’t cut out for it we shouldn’t persist we need to be ruthless and move on in order to progress.Apter clearly has potential but he’s not got the potential to make it as a championship wingback,1
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Completely different situations though. Ahadme came to us off the back of a decent L1 season and then failed to do it again at that level. He didn't showcase any strengths for us; he didn't bully defenders or hold the ball up, he didn't have any pace, he didn't show any good finishing or clever movement. You could argue he didn't get to play in the team once we had some width and might have benefited from that but overall he didn't show us anything that would justify persisting with him while also indicating he's fairly injury prone. Apter is a different story; he joined us up a division from the one he'd played in previously and at the start of the season he showed some real attacking capability and initially covered the right hand side very effectively. The problem was that he lost interest in showing the concentration needed to play as a WB, stopped tracking his runners and started bottling out on the physical side of the game. Apter has shown he has the technical attributes to succeed at this level, the question just becomes whether he can force himself to learn the physical side of the game or not; is he willing to adapt his game to the system he's asked to play in or does he just want to do what he likes on the pitch? He'll be 23 soon, plenty of time for him to come back from this loan. put some work in over the summer and show Jones that he wants to start doing the nasty side of the game. If he shows Jones in pre-season that he understands what's being asked of him then we have a good asset in there and someone who can compete with hopefully Clarke, it's up to him more than anything else.Crispywood said:We didn’t persist with Ahadme ended up playing Godden instead and got promoted if a player isn’t cut out for it we shouldn’t persist we need to be ruthless and move on in order to progress.Apter clearly has potential but he’s not got the potential to make it as a championship wingback,11 -
No we have not .. Kelman excellent signing and think people to remember when we signed Apter they said it was for the future not just focused on this season mind you he still done better then CampbellCrispywood said:Though Apter would do well at Bolton and we could get a decent sum of money back for him doesn’t seem like that’s going to plan.Championship survival was always the goal so couldn’t care less how we do it and in the end it would a good season and you have to say it’s been solid overall transfer windows because that playoff final squad would have got relegated.But we have Seriously wasted 7M on Kelman Tanto and Apter13 -
If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.1 -
He's only been on the bench the last two games, and been subbed on both times.
They've been starting Burstow and Dalby who are both strikers. Don't follow Bolton closely enough to know what's been going on there, but I'd guess that's a tactical or formation change.
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Bustow has been playing as a winger I believeChunes said:He's only been on the bench the last two games, and been subbed on both times.
They've been starting Burstow and Dalby who are both strikers. Don't follow Bolton closely enough to know what's been going on there, but I'd guess that's a tactical or formation change.0 -
He has been and when Burstow a striker who let’s not forget was deemed not good enough by a hull side who finished 21st last season, is starting out wide ahead of Apter it’s surely not just a Nathan Jones thingfenaddick said:
Bustow has been playing as a winger I believeChunes said:He's only been on the bench the last two games, and been subbed on both times.
They've been starting Burstow and Dalby who are both strikers. Don't follow Bolton closely enough to know what's been going on there, but I'd guess that's a tactical or formation change.4 -
My best mate is a Bolton supporter.
He reckons that Apter hasn’t done much for them at all, as seems lightweight.
CBT has apparently been miles better.1 -
CBT has had to go back to Derby due to injury so some reshuffling might help Apter0
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Apter is a traditional winger. End of. Steve Bruce (his then manager at Blackpool) said this when his transfer was going through.
We don't play with traditional wingers.
So unless we change systems (highly unlikely) then he doesn't fit in. No idea why we decided to buy him if we werent going to play to his strengths. No point trying to change him / play him as a wingback as therein madness lies.
Either change the system & play him as a winger or cut our losses and let him go.8 -
I suspect that with a few of the currently loaned out players, we'll be stuck with them next season, as they're not good enough for the Championship, but on too high wages to want to permanently move to a L1 side. Apter having an underwhelming loan at Bolton, somewhere you'd expect him to thrive, isn't exactly going to make him attractive in the summer.daveroan said:If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.
NJ isn't going to change his style of play. We'll want better quality on the ball, but the workrate and defensive qualities are non negotiable.2 -
Sadly, Apter is looking like another Kirk. And grumpiness won't his relationship with Jones
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The only player on loan we 100% wouldn’t be able to shift is Ahadme because of his quality in relation to his wages he’s proven to be a mid/Lower L1 striker at best. Every other player we could move on but that just comes down to how much of a hit we would be willing to take in regards to a transfer feekillerandflash said:
I suspect that with a few of the currently loaned out players, we'll be stuck with them next season, as they're not good enough for the Championship, but on too high wages to want to permanently move to a L1 side. Apter having an underwhelming loan at Bolton, somewhere you'd expect him to thrive, isn't exactly going to make him attractive in the summer.daveroan said:If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.
NJ isn't going to change his style of play. We'll want better quality on the ball, but the workrate and defensive qualities are non negotiable.0 -
I would happily drive Ahadme anywhere! Shocking player.Crispywood said:
The only player on loan we 100% wouldn’t be able to shift is Ahadme because of his quality in relation to his wages he’s proven to be a mid/Lower L1 striker at best. Every other player we could move on but that just comes down to how much of a hit we would be willing to take in regards to a transfer feekillerandflash said:
I suspect that with a few of the currently loaned out players, we'll be stuck with them next season, as they're not good enough for the Championship, but on too high wages to want to permanently move to a L1 side. Apter having an underwhelming loan at Bolton, somewhere you'd expect him to thrive, isn't exactly going to make him attractive in the summer.daveroan said:If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.
NJ isn't going to change his style of play. We'll want better quality on the ball, but the workrate and defensive qualities are non negotiable.1 -
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If he’s struggling for confidence I’d honestly question his mentality. Liked by our fans when he joined, despite it not working for us we all put that down to Jones use of him rather than him as a player and didn’t have anytime bad to say about him. He’s then gone to a division lower in a top side in his best position where the fans were originally happy he was there.I’m struggling to see why his confidence should be this poor?0
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Have to agree with this , I rated him thought there’s something there but if he is struggling to find his way to impact in what was on paper the absolute perfect opportunity for him , something doesn’t quite stack upCrispywood said:If he’s struggling for confidence I’d honestly question his mentality. Liked by our fans when he joined, despite it not working for us we all put that down to Jones use of him rather than him as a player and didn’t have anytime bad to say about him. He’s then gone to a division lower in a top side in his best position where the fans were originally happy he was there.I’m struggling to see why his confidence should be this poor?0 -
The players we signed in the summer like Apter would have had a pay rise over their L1 money. Few L1 clubs will match what they're being paid now, so unless a player is willing to take a pay cut to join a L1 club, it will be difficult to move them on permanently.Crispywood said:
The only player on loan we 100% wouldn’t be able to shift is Ahadme because of his quality in relation to his wages he’s proven to be a mid/Lower L1 striker at best. Every other player we could move on but that just comes down to how much of a hit we would be willing to take in regards to a transfer feekillerandflash said:
I suspect that with a few of the currently loaned out players, we'll be stuck with them next season, as they're not good enough for the Championship, but on too high wages to want to permanently move to a L1 side. Apter having an underwhelming loan at Bolton, somewhere you'd expect him to thrive, isn't exactly going to make him attractive in the summer.daveroan said:If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.
NJ isn't going to change his style of play. We'll want better quality on the ball, but the workrate and defensive qualities are non negotiable.
And the worse they do on their loans, the less money future loan clubs will want to contribute to their wages.0 -
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Such a long time without playing will have affected his confidence, as would beeing hooked in the 34th (?) minute against Southampton.5
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He would have gotten a pay rise but if all championship players got significant pay rises no championship players would ever permanently move to L1 clubs. The fact Apter was pushing for a move he’s still young and we paid 2M for him and the only alternative was staying at Blackpool I’m guessing his wages will be much lower than what we think they are.killerandflash said:
The players we signed in the summer like Apter would have had a pay rise over their L1 money. Few L1 clubs will match what they're being paid now, so unless a player is willing to take a pay cut to join a L1 club, it will be difficult to move them on permanently.Crispywood said:
The only player on loan we 100% wouldn’t be able to shift is Ahadme because of his quality in relation to his wages he’s proven to be a mid/Lower L1 striker at best. Every other player we could move on but that just comes down to how much of a hit we would be willing to take in regards to a transfer feekillerandflash said:
I suspect that with a few of the currently loaned out players, we'll be stuck with them next season, as they're not good enough for the Championship, but on too high wages to want to permanently move to a L1 side. Apter having an underwhelming loan at Bolton, somewhere you'd expect him to thrive, isn't exactly going to make him attractive in the summer.daveroan said:If Apter or any of our other players can’t hack in our first and hopefully less successful championship season then they can’t be expected to improve enough therefore they will not be around for the next season’s upgrade - potentially our incoming upgrades will comprise better, bigger more experienced higher quality ex premier league players. We need at least 4 to cover all areas of the pitch. So
Apter, Oloafe, etc and many of this year’s squad will be sold or leave. Sorry but it’s true, sentiment doesn’t count - yes a few million £ lost but with Carey’s improvement (free transfer!) not to shabby in the end.
NJ isn't going to change his style of play. We'll want better quality on the ball, but the workrate and defensive qualities are non negotiable.
And the worse they do on their loans, the less money future loan clubs will want to contribute to their wages.Obviously if he ends the season poorly could be very difficult to find a loan club willing to take up a lot his wage, or shift him permanently but I don’t think he’s going to a player who is incredibly short of options based on the credit in the bank he has with his Blackpool spell1 -
One thing I will say is that playing on the left and getting crosses in isn't his game as much as cutting inside from the right and taking on his fullback. We saw that a bit against...Oxford, I think it was, when he played at LWB. He's definitely better on the right.fenaddick said:
That being said, the rest of the comments are certainly concerning. Hopefully self-belief comes with time and growth.2 -
That was the only game he’s played on the left for them I think. He’s been on the right the rest of them and still not been greatSDAddick said:
One thing I will say is that playing on the left and getting crosses in isn't his game as much as cutting inside from the right and taking on his fullback. We saw that a bit against...Oxford, I think it was, when he played at LWB. He's definitely better on the right.fenaddick said:
That being said, the rest of the comments are certainly concerning. Hopefully self-belief comes with time and growth.3 -
What I learned from the TC thread - a lack performance/confidence is due to the fault of the manager/system etc. What I learned from this thread - a lack of confidence/performance is due to the player being a malcontent. None of us really know either Apter or TC so what is the difference? Not hard to figure out.1
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Bottom line and main denominator is they are both not good enough for the championship.Bostonaddick said:What I learned from the TC thread - a lack performance/confidence is due to the fault of the manager/system etc. What I learned from this thread - a lack of confidence/performance is due to the player being a malcontent. None of us really know either Apter or TC so what is the difference? Not hard to figure out.
Campbell maybe next year, but body language suggests he wants away.0 -
Never understood the hype around his first few games for us…some fans were going on like n Jones was putting Messi on the bench earlier on in the season1
