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  • MeerKat
    MeerKat Posts: 134
    I thought he was the wrong choice last night, gave away the ball with his very first touch and never really recovered. He wasn't what was needed in such a defensive performance. His heading was atrocious and seemed lost positionally. I dont ever want to see him in our own half again. Leave him up top and encourage him to run at people, that's where he belongs and can, at times excel.

    That being said,  the split in player marks he recieved is crazy. Low score of 3 and a high score of 7.5. Just goes to show how we all see the game differently. I think we will still be having this debate in decades to come.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,832
    The obsessive criticism of TC by some of our fans is just plain embarrassing. If he was as dreadful as some keep claiming why would NJ pick him?

    Plenty of our players have limitations but they seem to escape the same level of criticism. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,131
    edited March 12
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    I'm a big TC fan but I also thought he was poor last night, and not putting in his usual amount of effort. It's happened a few times with his substitute appearances away from home. 

    For the chance he had on the counter, if he'd have made the run earlier, he'd have been clean through with no chance of the defender catching him. But he was jogging. 
    If he’d made the run earlier he’d have been offside because the Boro players were all in our half, he had to stay behind the halfway line, he actually had to slow down because the ball was released a fraction too late 
    Hmm... Not sure. From memory, there was a Boro nearer the person in posession, and about 10 yards ahead of TC. He just had to make a run on the other side to get closer to level with him and he was through. Could be wrong. 
    Annoyingly it doesn’t make the extended highlights. Either way I think the two things that caused the failure of the counter were a slightly delayed pass and then indecision from TC. I think if he’s confident he’ll take on the shot he drives forward quicker but he couldn’t decide if that or the corner were the better options 
    The full match is on the website. Just watched that part back. Think we're both wrong!



    That Boro defender is the last player. TC can't be offside in his own half. Think he should be pelting forwards here, and one decent pass and there's no catching him, but he just jogs along. 
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,822
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    The obsessive criticism of TC by some of our fans is just plain embarrassing. If he was as dreadful as some keep claiming why would NJ pick him?

    Plenty of our players have limitations but they seem to escape the same level of criticism. 
    I would usually be in agreement with this.  The nature of a lot of the criticism TC receives has little to do with what he has actually done.
    However last night he deserved a full force bollocking for a truly dreadful performance.  First touch was pitiful and he expended virtually no energy at all.  Even Carey got about the pitch better than TC and Carey was as far from the ball as it was possible to be for the whole 2nd half.
    Was TC actually quite ill? I can't think of another explanation that could be acceptable.
    Charlie K didn't pull up any trees last night but he has to be the little mobile one to partner Battering Ram Dykes on Saturday.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,225
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    I'm a big TC fan but I also thought he was poor last night, and not putting in his usual amount of effort. It's happened a few times with his substitute appearances away from home. 

    For the chance he had on the counter, if he'd have made the run earlier, he'd have been clean through with no chance of the defender catching him. But he was jogging. 
    If he’d made the run earlier he’d have been offside because the Boro players were all in our half, he had to stay behind the halfway line, he actually had to slow down because the ball was released a fraction too late 
    Hmm... Not sure. From memory, there was a Boro nearer the person in posession, and about 10 yards ahead of TC. He just had to make a run on the other side to get closer to level with him and he was through. Could be wrong. 
    Annoyingly it doesn’t make the extended highlights. Either way I think the two things that caused the failure of the counter were a slightly delayed pass and then indecision from TC. I think if he’s confident he’ll take on the shot he drives forward quicker but he couldn’t decide if that or the corner were the better options 
    The full match is on the website. Just watched that part back. Think we're both wrong!



    That Boro defender is the last player. TC can't be offside in his own half. Think he should be pelting forwards here, and one decent pass and there's no catching him, but he just jogs along. 
    Yep laziness or lack of confidence on TCs part. I'm not being funny but in that situation you'd be busting a gut waving your arms screaming for the ball from Carey but he was jogging along with not a care in the world.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,052
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    I'm a big TC fan but I also thought he was poor last night, and not putting in his usual amount of effort. It's happened a few times with his substitute appearances away from home. 

    For the chance he had on the counter, if he'd have made the run earlier, he'd have been clean through with no chance of the defender catching him. But he was jogging. 
    If he’d made the run earlier he’d have been offside because the Boro players were all in our half, he had to stay behind the halfway line, he actually had to slow down because the ball was released a fraction too late 
    Hmm... Not sure. From memory, there was a Boro nearer the person in posession, and about 10 yards ahead of TC. He just had to make a run on the other side to get closer to level with him and he was through. Could be wrong. 
    Annoyingly it doesn’t make the extended highlights. Either way I think the two things that caused the failure of the counter were a slightly delayed pass and then indecision from TC. I think if he’s confident he’ll take on the shot he drives forward quicker but he couldn’t decide if that or the corner were the better options 
    The full match is on the website. Just watched that part back. Think we're both wrong!



    That Boro defender is the last player. TC can't be offside in his own half. Think he should be pelting forwards here, and one decent pass and there's no catching him, but he just jogs along. 
    Still think he’s concerned about the halfway line and if Carey plays the pass earlier he puts the after burners on but I can totally understand Carey delaying hoping TC accelerates before that as it’s hard for him to judge the weight of the pass
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,131
    edited March 12
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    I'm a big TC fan but I also thought he was poor last night, and not putting in his usual amount of effort. It's happened a few times with his substitute appearances away from home. 

    For the chance he had on the counter, if he'd have made the run earlier, he'd have been clean through with no chance of the defender catching him. But he was jogging. 
    If he’d made the run earlier he’d have been offside because the Boro players were all in our half, he had to stay behind the halfway line, he actually had to slow down because the ball was released a fraction too late 
    Hmm... Not sure. From memory, there was a Boro nearer the person in posession, and about 10 yards ahead of TC. He just had to make a run on the other side to get closer to level with him and he was through. Could be wrong. 
    Annoyingly it doesn’t make the extended highlights. Either way I think the two things that caused the failure of the counter were a slightly delayed pass and then indecision from TC. I think if he’s confident he’ll take on the shot he drives forward quicker but he couldn’t decide if that or the corner were the better options 
    The full match is on the website. Just watched that part back. Think we're both wrong!



    That Boro defender is the last player. TC can't be offside in his own half. Think he should be pelting forwards here, and one decent pass and there's no catching him, but he just jogs along. 
    Still think he’s concerned about the halfway line and if Carey plays the pass earlier he puts the after burners on but I can totally understand Carey delaying hoping TC accelerates before that as it’s hard for him to judge the weight of the pass
    Yeah the pass from Carey was not good either. The counter-attacking was frustrating last night. There was so much space and all it needed was one or two decent passes for us to be clear and we never found the right ball, always panicked or fluffed it. 
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,822
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    I'm a big TC fan but I also thought he was poor last night, and not putting in his usual amount of effort. It's happened a few times with his substitute appearances away from home. 

    For the chance he had on the counter, if he'd have made the run earlier, he'd have been clean through with no chance of the defender catching him. But he was jogging. 
    If he’d made the run earlier he’d have been offside because the Boro players were all in our half, he had to stay behind the halfway line, he actually had to slow down because the ball was released a fraction too late 
    Hmm... Not sure. From memory, there was a Boro nearer the person in posession, and about 10 yards ahead of TC. He just had to make a run on the other side to get closer to level with him and he was through. Could be wrong. 
    Annoyingly it doesn’t make the extended highlights. Either way I think the two things that caused the failure of the counter were a slightly delayed pass and then indecision from TC. I think if he’s confident he’ll take on the shot he drives forward quicker but he couldn’t decide if that or the corner were the better options 
    The full match is on the website. Just watched that part back. Think we're both wrong!



    That Boro defender is the last player. TC can't be offside in his own half. Think he should be pelting forwards here, and one decent pass and there's no catching him, but he just jogs along. 
    Still think he’s concerned about the halfway line and if Carey plays the pass earlier he puts the after burners on but I can totally understand Carey delaying hoping TC accelerates before that as it’s hard for him to judge the weight of the pass
    There's no excusing TC on this one.  He should have put the burners on the moment he got to the half way line, he's then clear of the defender with an advancing goalie to beat.  No guarantee he scores but it was up to him to create the chance.  He chose not to run.  His only mitigation would be if he were significantly unwell - but then WTF would he make himself available?
    That's TC's 25/26 season in 30 seconds - could have but chose not to - deeply disappointing.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 11,168
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    The obsessive criticism of TC by some of our fans is just plain embarrassing. If he was as dreadful as some keep claiming why would NJ pick him?

    Plenty of our players have limitations but they seem to escape the same level of criticism. 
    Every player has some limitations but being seen to be putting in a lot of effort usually papers over a lot of cracks and can earn forgiveness for most cock ups as far as fans are concerned. Personally, I doubt he would still have been first choice if Godden was available to replace a tiring Kelman, or Kanu and Mbick weren’t out on loan.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,514
    Crispywood said:
    TC was terrible last night let’s not get it twisted, but it is getting slightly tiring he’s the first player to get criticised after every single bad performance. We had a striker who missed a tap in but nah let’s go at the attacker who struggled with defensive responsibilities. 

    Drops a brilliant performance at Derby, first thing said why can’t he do that more often, does nothing against Pompey and Middlesborough god he was dreadful which isn’t wrong and is deserved but the rate he receives praise/criticism is far harsher than anyone else in this squad 
    Kelman is a striker too and he certainly didn’t struggle with his defensive responsibilities last night.

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,131
    edited March 12
    Nathan showing some frustration with TC last night.

    https://x.com/Nozza_/status/2032053427249750319?s=20
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,018
    edited March 12
    TC didn’t have the best game when he came on last night but Dykes was blooming awful and where’s the criticism of that? Sorry we are completely in witch hunt territory here. Such a shame after a great away victory that some of our own still have to try and throw one of our own under the bus.
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,725
    Weegie Addick said:
    TC didn’t have the best game when he came on last night but Dykes was blooming awful and where’s the criticism of that? Sorry we are completely in witch hunt territory here. Such a shame after a great away victory that some of our own still have to try and throw one of our own under the bus.
    “Blooming awful”. No he wasn’t. Anyway, I can handle blooming awful, what I can’t handle is players poncing about whilst their team mates are putting their bodies on the line. 
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 914
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    The obsessive criticism of TC by some of our fans is just plain embarrassing. If he was as dreadful as some keep claiming why would NJ pick him?

    Plenty of our players have limitations but they seem to escape the same level of criticism. 
    It is that true?  Kelman gets a lot of grief even though he has scored more than TC and Leaburn combined in significantly less minutes.  Coventry misplaced one bad pass and he is horrible even though Ramsay has been  turning the ball over all year.  People are now saying Kaminsky is crap even though he has been the least of our problems
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,203
    MeerKat said:
    I thought he was the wrong choice last night, gave away the ball with his very first touch and never really recovered. He wasn't what was needed in such a defensive performance. His heading was atrocious and seemed lost positionally. I dont ever want to see him in our own half again. Leave him up top and encourage him to run at people, that's where he belongs and can, at times excel.

    That being said,  the split in player marks he recieved is crazy. Low score of 3 and a high score of 7.5. Just goes to show how we all see the game differently. I think we will still be having this debate in decades to come.

    Yeh, I can imagine in the future TC becoming a Charlton Life icon of polarised opinion.
    Has paralells with Kevin Lisbie for me insofar as Kevin had all the tools to achieve greatness, but whatever was missing it was in his head. Not that he didn't have a decent EPL career, but we seemed to spend all of it waiting for him to reach his potential.
    Surely a sports psychologist could help?


  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,784
    edited March 12
    Chunes said:
    Nathan showing some frustration with TC last night.

    https://x.com/Nozza_/status/2032053427249750319?s=20
    I don’t think that’s at TC specifically though. As mentioned earlier, barely anyone could string a pass together after we took the lead.

    This was another example - two players on different wavelengths, a wayward pass, and the receiver is wrong footed, loses balance and falls.


    I need to rewatch the last 30 because although I didn’t think TC had a standout game, I thought he was far from poor. Oftentimes, pressing vs not pressing is a symptom of the tactics being employed rather than application of the player(s).
  • WrightCharlie
    WrightCharlie Posts: 794
    I was just thinking about how exciting TC was to watch towards the end of last season, how much he contributed to our success and eventual promotion and how great his song was/is to sing!

    I can only  imagine what it must be like for him to go from that success to a whole new level of learning and experiences and how he's probably learning from his mistakes as well as his successes. 

    Just imagine the player he'll be if he cracks it...... and I think he will. And in the meantime he's playing a not insignificant part in us staying in the Championship!
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,930
    Weegie Addick said:
    TC didn’t have the best game when he came on last night but Dykes was blooming awful and where’s the criticism of that? Sorry we are completely in witch hunt territory here. Such a shame after a great away victory that some of our own still have to try and throw one of our own under the bus.
    Difference is Campbell been awful all season Dykes for 30 mins 
  • EastbourneAddick
    EastbourneAddick Posts: 51
    Sorry but TC is simply not good enough for Charlton in the Championship going forward.
    3 goals and 2 assists from 37 appearances this season proves this.
    He is 22 now & his overall stats (most of his goals came in League One) are 146 appearance and 16 goals and 9 assists.
    Clearly if after nearly 150 games his football brain / decision making isn't great I honestly think it never will be.
    If someone wants to buy him I would bite their hand off. 
    WE NEED A SERIOUS UPGRADE if Charlton are to progress.
    As an aside Leaburn's stats are pretty poor as well.
  • elbiglad
    elbiglad Posts: 187
    EastbourneAddick said:
    Sorry but TC is simply not good enough for Charlton in the Championship going forward.
    3 goals and 2 assists from 37 appearances this season proves this.
    He is 22 now & his overall stats (most of his goals came in League One) are 146 appearance and 16 goals and 9 assists.
    Clearly if after nearly 150 games his football brain / decision making isn't great I honestly think it never will be.
    If someone wants to buy him I would bite their hand off. 
    WE NEED A SERIOUS UPGRADE if Charlton are to progress.
    As an aside Leaburn's stats are pretty poor as well.
    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 

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  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,539
    Lots of things to work on in the off season, things that are coachable if he knuckles down, he now knows what it’s going to take to take the next step and improve, he’s shown in patches he can do it. I expect to see a better TC at the start of next season. 
  • EastbourneAddick
    EastbourneAddick Posts: 51
    elbiglad said:

    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 
    And if Charlton want to stay in the Championship next season then we can't afford passengers.
    Can he improve? Possibly. But IMHO No he can't. He just hasn't got the natural instinct to look up or play the ball first time or know when to go outside or cut in. His heading is hopeless and he gets tackled easily. Just can't see all those things being coached out of him. He has no natural instinct to know what to do in a split second decision making.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,539
    Sword65pf said:
    Lots of things to work on in the off season, things that are coachable if he knuckles down, he now knows what it’s going to take to take the next step and improve, he’s shown in patches he can do it. I expect to see a better TC at the start of next season. 
    Funny why?, instead of a lol, maybe share your view. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,052
    EastbourneAddick said:
    elbiglad said:

    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 
    And if Charlton want to stay in the Championship next season then we can't afford passengers.
    Can he improve? Possibly. But IMHO No he can't. He just hasn't got the natural instinct to look up or play the ball first time or know when to go outside or cut in. His heading is hopeless and he gets tackled easily. Just can't see all those things being coached out of him. He has no natural instinct to know what to do in a split second decision making.
    I think a lot of what you criticise is him following coaches instructions rather than a lack of instinct. When he follows his instinct you get goals like he scored at Derby. To me he seems in two minds about following his instinct and NJ's coaching and that's when he looks ineffective
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,539
    fenaddick said:
    EastbourneAddick said:
    elbiglad said:

    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 
    And if Charlton want to stay in the Championship next season then we can't afford passengers.
    Can he improve? Possibly. But IMHO No he can't. He just hasn't got the natural instinct to look up or play the ball first time or know when to go outside or cut in. His heading is hopeless and he gets tackled easily. Just can't see all those things being coached out of him. He has no natural instinct to know what to do in a split second decision making.
    I think a lot of what you criticise is him following coaches instructions rather than a lack of instinct. When he follows his instinct you get goals like he scored at Derby. To me he seems in two minds about following his instinct and NJ's coaching and that's when he looks ineffective
    Partly agree, but ability at certain things comes into play, it’s not just because he’s confused as to what to do, coaching doesn’t make him not be stronger, or give the ball away, or cross inconsistently, or fall over lots. If he improves the weaknesses which is coachable, he may be the player yourself and others seem to think he is.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,231
    I hate the constant criticism TC gets but can also see why he gets it. If I were part of the coaching team I would honestly try to concentrate on the mental side of the game with him. Flair players need a bit of swagger about them and I truly think that TC has the physical abilities but lacks the belief in those abilities. If he cannot sort that out he won’t progress beyond league one 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,248
    EastbourneAddick said:
    Sorry but TC is simply not good enough for Charlton in the Championship going forward.
    3 goals and 2 assists from 37 appearances this season proves this.
    He is 22 now & his overall stats (most of his goals came in League One) are 146 appearance and 16 goals and 9 assists.
    Clearly if after nearly 150 games his football brain / decision making isn't great I honestly think it never will be.
    If someone wants to buy him I would bite their hand off. 
    WE NEED A SERIOUS UPGRADE if Charlton are to progress.
    As an aside Leaburn's stats are pretty poor as well.
    I reckon Nathan Jones, our other coaches, the recruitment teams of the clubs that have already bidded for him and all that likely would if he was available, probably are a slightly better judge of Tyreece Campbells potential than you or any of us on here are. 

    It’s clear he’s got loads of ability and potential. 22 and first year at this level is ridiculously early to be writing him off
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,248
    EastbourneAddick said:
    elbiglad said:

    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 
    And if Charlton want to stay in the Championship next season then we can't afford passengers.
    Can he improve? Possibly. But IMHO No he can't. He just hasn't got the natural instinct to look up or play the ball first time or know when to go outside or cut in. His heading is hopeless and he gets tackled easily. Just can't see all those things being coached out of him. He has no natural instinct to know what to do in a split second decision making.
    To call him a passenger is ridiculous as well, just makes you look silly (and that’s before we even get started on thinking a 22 year old footballer can’t improve). He’s played 37 games for us this season, if he was a passenger then we’d be 23rd in the league because there’s no way we are good enough to carry a passenger in every game and be where we are in the table. He’s been an important player for us and has contributed to us staying up, it’s his first season at this level so hopefully next season he can kick on again 
  • CharltonManor1966
    CharltonManor1966 Posts: 444
    EastbourneAddick said:
    elbiglad said:

    First year at the level in a low scoring team trying to survive. Didn't realise players had to stop developing at 22. 
    And if Charlton want to stay in the Championship next season then we can't afford passengers.
    Can he improve? Possibly. But IMHO No he can't. He just hasn't got the natural instinct to look up or play the ball first time or know when to go outside or cut in. His heading is hopeless and he gets tackled easily. Just can't see all those things being coached out of him. He has no natural instinct to know what to do in a split second decision making.
    Very sad to say but I think this is a fair point. Everybody knows  he has natural talent and pace, but my fear is that he cannot be coached enough to make it beyond our current level.
    He will never have a football brain.
    He is so one dimentional and one footed. Do hope I am wrong as I usually am.
    If he is not sold he will become more and more of a bit part player at this level.
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,368
    edited March 13
    elbiglad said:
    I am a TC defender/fanboy, whatever term you want to use. I don’t really understand why that is a bad thing; we are very proud of our academy and to me those players do deserve extra support and patience.

    I understand he may not be everyone’s favourite player, but some of the comments above and in the post match thread are, honestly, pathetic. But they’re not new or surprising. 

    He hasn’t quite been at the races lately; should’ve done better with the 1v1 chances v Brum and Boro last night, and he didn’t press from the front as well as he has. But he was very committed to defending and tracking back and helped us out more than once. It’s a tough situation to come on in. I’ll admit he did frustrate me last night at times, but so did others. He’s not immune to criticism.

    He is an attack-minded winger. He is still being asked to play against his instincts. I would bet good money that if the majority of other teams in this league brought on their most attack minded winger on 60 minutes in a backs to the wall game away at the best passing team in the league, they wouldn’t fare as well as TC or put that much effort in. Let’s just enjoy the win lads. 
     We won through the incredible defensive effort of the team - TC did not seem to engage with that for most of the time he was on the pitch.

    That’s why I posted.  A few times, he literally stood and watched as Boro players strolled past him in our half - if one of those had led to a goal, then he would be getting battered now.

    I massively enjoyed an incredible win, but we should expect that every player should fight to keep that shirt, especially our academy stars.

    Maybe he was injured or something else happened, but from what I saw there was not enough effort from him and it stood out.

    I cheer TC every game and I want him to succeed, but he needs to do more, as his talent demands it. 

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