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Tyreece Campbell thread
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Basically just described end product which if he had he would never be at Charlton in the first place. He doesn’t work for us so he should go but can’t see him dropping to L1sam3110 said:He's created as many big chances this season for Charlton as Apter has, a guy frozen out completely by Jones and sent on loan in January.
He has as less assists than Docherty, the same amount of goals as Knibbs (injured for 3 months and a bit part player before that) and has missed the most amount of big chances in the side. If he was a championship calibre player he'd be higher in every single stat.2 -
You seriously think those are impressive stats then? He's a winger/striker, he should have more goals than Knibbs, he should have more assists than Docherty, not less, and certainly should be beating Apter in almost every metric going.Crispywood said:
Basically just described end product which if he had he would never be at Charlton in the first place.sam3110 said:He's created as many big chances this season for Charlton as Apter has, a guy frozen out completely by Jones and sent on loan in January.
He has as less assists than Docherty, the same amount of goals as Knibbs (injured for 3 months and a bit part player before that) and has missed the most amount of big chances in the side. If he was a championship calibre player he'd be higher in every single stat.
Having more end product than he actually has this season doesn't mean he's "too good for us" it means he's actually done his job as a creative player in our team!1 -
I think everyone’s agreeing TC needs more end product. The question is more around whether he’s worth sticking with.sam3110 said:
You seriously think those are impressive stats then? He's a winger/striker, he should have more goals than Knibbs, he should have more assists than Docherty, not less, and certainly should be beating Apter in almost every metric going.Crispywood said:
Basically just described end product which if he had he would never be at Charlton in the first place.sam3110 said:He's created as many big chances this season for Charlton as Apter has, a guy frozen out completely by Jones and sent on loan in January.
He has as less assists than Docherty, the same amount of goals as Knibbs (injured for 3 months and a bit part player before that) and has missed the most amount of big chances in the side. If he was a championship calibre player he'd be higher in every single stat.
Having more end product than he actually has this season doesn't mean he's "too good for us" it means he's actually done his job as a creative player in our team!
Plenty of players improve their end product as they move from their early to mid 20s. Our best chance of having players of that quality is by developing them, proven Championship attacking players with a good end product are generally too expensive.4 -
I get that, but the notion that if his output was better then he wouldn't be here in the first place, and therefore we basically have to put up with it and stick with him, is what I have an issue with.
People can tart it up all they want, he's had a disappointing season overall, despite what Jones keeps on saying about him, and if we are to progress as a club, he needs to make a major step up next season, or we need a better player than him2 -
Elements of his season have been disappointing but who else do we have that can offer his good points? I’m an arthritic bloke in his seventies yet many of our team are so slow I reckon I might give them a race on a pain free day. TC is one of very few with genuine pace.sam3110 said:I get that, but the notion that if his output was better then he wouldn't be here in the first place, and therefore we basically have to put up with it and stick with him, is what I have an issue with.
People can tart it up all they want, he's had a disappointing season overall, despite what Jones keeps on saying about him, and if we are to progress as a club, he needs to make a major step up next season, or we need a better player than him5 -
Yep exactly. Either we stick with TC believing he improves with time, we pay £15m for the finished article from a rival or we spent a couple of million on a 50/50 gamble from Europe who could turn out to be brilliant but equally could turn out to be far worse.Scoham said:
I think everyone’s agreeing TC needs more end product. The question is more around whether he’s worth sticking with.sam3110 said:
You seriously think those are impressive stats then? He's a winger/striker, he should have more goals than Knibbs, he should have more assists than Docherty, not less, and certainly should be beating Apter in almost every metric going.Crispywood said:
Basically just described end product which if he had he would never be at Charlton in the first place.sam3110 said:He's created as many big chances this season for Charlton as Apter has, a guy frozen out completely by Jones and sent on loan in January.
He has as less assists than Docherty, the same amount of goals as Knibbs (injured for 3 months and a bit part player before that) and has missed the most amount of big chances in the side. If he was a championship calibre player he'd be higher in every single stat.
Having more end product than he actually has this season doesn't mean he's "too good for us" it means he's actually done his job as a creative player in our team!
Plenty of players improve their end product as they move from their early to mid 20s. Our best chance of having players of that quality is by developing them, proven Championship attacking players with a good end product are generally too expensive.1 -
Can sum him up in three words.
“Flatters to deceive”.2 -
More like deceives to flatter.SoundAsa£ said:Can sum him up in three words.
“Flatters to deceive”.5 -
I find TC incredibly frustrating, but that frustration comes from a larger frustration about our total lack of creativity, and the fact is when he fails to deliver, it's effectively the whole team failing to deliver because he's basically all we have in that regard.The solution to not having enough creativity and goals in the team is to have more options. Selling our only one is madness.7
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Whatever his shortcomings he's the only player in the side who offers any flair - we are a very dull side to watch. He could be a decent winger in the right side but Charlton certainly isn't it the way we are set up...5
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Its quite clear that TC has been made a scapegoat by some of our fans, which is odd as usually they love "one of our own".
Yes therr are times he is frustrating but he is one of the few players we have that you can see opposition defenders are worried about when he has ball to his feer and also he is always played massively out of position, he is neither a striker or a wing back.
This idea he has nothing to offer is soooo insanely short sighted. It does seem other young players are defended and there is talk about young players confidence qnd supporting them, yet when its TC it seems to be ok to have a pile on.3 -
Part of me think that’s the exact same reason we should sell TC. When we play LeaburnxDykes we instinctively play a lot more direct and long balls same goes with TC when he plays everything involves giving him the ball and let him do something. None of that is on TC and it shows he is our only creative spark but this group of players have to learn how to play without him as their crutch.blackheathaddick said:I find TC incredibly frustrating, but that frustration comes from a larger frustration about our total lack of creativity, and the fact is when he fails to deliver, it's effectively the whole team failing to deliver because he's basically all we have in that regard.The solution to not having enough creativity and goals in the team is to have more options. Selling our only one is madness.0 -
Whenever we play without him though we are usually a terrible watch, with 2 wing backs not good enough to beat a full back and very easy to defend against because we are terrible at progressing the ball any other wayCrispywood said:
Part of me think that’s the exact same reason we should sell TC. When we play LeaburnxDykes we instinctively play a lot more direct and long balls same goes with TC when he plays everything involves giving him the ball and let him do something. None of that is on TC and it shows he is our only creative spark but this group of players have to learn how to play without him as their crutch.blackheathaddick said:I find TC incredibly frustrating, but that frustration comes from a larger frustration about our total lack of creativity, and the fact is when he fails to deliver, it's effectively the whole team failing to deliver because he's basically all we have in that regard.The solution to not having enough creativity and goals in the team is to have more options. Selling our only one is madness.
To me it just makes no sense that all the fans are demanding more creativity but then want to get rid of our most creative player
What we need is to be less reliant on him, so this summer we need more options so that next season TC doesn’t need to play every minute. But he is definitely good enough to play a role and good enough that we should preserve with him1 -
Did you get to see Nathan's pre-match interview on Sky at Watford? He specifically explained that TC had had a nightmare journey home arriving late in the night prior to the Bristol City game. And that was why he was only sub for that match. I have no idea why Bell managed to get on a plane and TC didn't.LargeAddick said:
How can he miss his flight home but Bell didn’t 🤔cafcfan said:So, it's alright for fans to chant whatever they want at one of our players but it's not alright for another fan to call said fans morons. (Even though the chances are that is exactly what they are.) That smacks of double standards.
Campbell is a very good player and did okay yesterday for someone who had allegedly missed his flight home from the internationals, so the chances are he was fairly lagged. All attacking players miss chances. Take Andy Cole at Man Utd: he missed shed loads of easy chances yet still ended up as that team's 4th highest all-time goal scorer.
To summarise, It is definitely moronic behaviour for the cockwombles in the North Upper is hurl abuse at him and Campbell is certainly a championship quality player.
Ibid. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox.....
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He is a winger. He plays well as a winger.
He does not play well as a striker or a LWB, Certainly not on a consistent basis as shown this season. I 100% do not see the performances most have seen on here and find him hugely frustrating. He has not been our best player this season, far from it.
His end product has been poor majority of the season and I have bought neutrals to the Valley and they all said he doesn't work hard enough off the ball. He is a confidence player and needs that arm round him and whilst I think Jones will do that, he will only do it for so long.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't be surprised if he complained to his agent about wanting to play as a winger consistently and makes noises about a move away. He is not irreplaceable by any stretch.5 -
And that was the question I asked.cafcfan said:
Did you get to see Nathan's pre-match interview on Sky at Watford? He specifically explained that TC had had a nightmare journey home arriving late in the night prior to the Bristol City game. And that was why he was only sub for that match. I have no idea why Bell managed to get on a plane and TC didn't.LargeAddick said:
How can he miss his flight home but Bell didn’t 🤔cafcfan said:So, it's alright for fans to chant whatever they want at one of our players but it's not alright for another fan to call said fans morons. (Even though the chances are that is exactly what they are.) That smacks of double standards.
Campbell is a very good player and did okay yesterday for someone who had allegedly missed his flight home from the internationals, so the chances are he was fairly lagged. All attacking players miss chances. Take Andy Cole at Man Utd: he missed shed loads of easy chances yet still ended up as that team's 4th highest all-time goal scorer.
To summarise, It is definitely moronic behaviour for the cockwombles in the North Upper is hurl abuse at him and Campbell is certainly a championship quality player.
Ibid. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox.....
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He was much less poor today innit1
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We looked better going forward with him starting today over Kelman.
Of course I'd much prefer any chances fall to Kelman than TC, and that's the issue NJ has.
I wouldn't be surprised if TC starts alongside Godden in some of the last few games.2 -
Just a guess but maybe TC got delayed for a post- match drug test or something?LargeAddick said:
And that was the question I asked.cafcfan said:
Did you get to see Nathan's pre-match interview on Sky at Watford? He specifically explained that TC had had a nightmare journey home arriving late in the night prior to the Bristol City game. And that was why he was only sub for that match. I have no idea why Bell managed to get on a plane and TC didn't.LargeAddick said:
How can he miss his flight home but Bell didn’t 🤔cafcfan said:So, it's alright for fans to chant whatever they want at one of our players but it's not alright for another fan to call said fans morons. (Even though the chances are that is exactly what they are.) That smacks of double standards.
Campbell is a very good player and did okay yesterday for someone who had allegedly missed his flight home from the internationals, so the chances are he was fairly lagged. All attacking players miss chances. Take Andy Cole at Man Utd: he missed shed loads of easy chances yet still ended up as that team's 4th highest all-time goal scorer.
To summarise, It is definitely moronic behaviour for the cockwombles in the North Upper is hurl abuse at him and Campbell is certainly a championship quality player.
Ibid. Simon Francis, Morgan Fox.....
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Credit where it's due TC did look a threat on the ball showing what he's capable of and I remember him creating three chances in the first half, when compared to his season average of one created chance per game this shows play him in the right position and we may see more end product.
Fair to say today was possibly one for the argument of having better players around him may have seen him get an assist or two.3 -
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I think he too often gives the ball away , typically when charging forward , which disproportionately exposes us to the counter as so much space is created across the whole pitch at those points
Ge also ducks headers sometimes doesnt he ?3 -
He is great when he is facing goal and terrible with his back to goal. It is ridiculous to write him off, we have to work on his weaknesses and bank his strengths. We can't afford to buy the player he can be, we have to develop him.5
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Clearly a good player in a 433 system which today showed problem with that is everyone else also looks far worse in that system and I don’t think you can justify sacrificing 8-9 other players just to get TC at his best so he suffers0
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He was ineffective when we switched to a 433 at the end. He was great in the adapted 352 with Chambers tucking in, it meant that he didn't take up TC's space. It's an underrated strength of Edwards' game, knowing where not to beCrispywood said:Clearly a good player in a 433 system which today showed problem with that is everyone else also looks far worse in that system and I don’t think you can justify sacrificing 8-9 other players just to get TC at his best so he suffers3 -
The setup suited him perfectly, and first half was the best of TC. Created 2 good chances and won plenty of free kicks and corners that also led to chances. With better finishing we’d have been ahead by 1 or 2 going into half timefenaddick said:
He was ineffective when we switched to a 433 at the end. He was great in the adapted 352 with Chambers tucking in, it meant that he didn't take up TC's space. It's an underrated strength of Edwards' game, knowing where not to beCrispywood said:Clearly a good player in a 433 system which today showed problem with that is everyone else also looks far worse in that system and I don’t think you can justify sacrificing 8-9 other players just to get TC at his best so he suffers0 -
I honestly don't think Jones plan will ever include overloading the squad with creativity. His mantra is based on clean sheets and nicking the odd goal here or there.blackheathaddick said:I find TC incredibly frustrating, but that frustration comes from a larger frustration about our total lack of creativity, and the fact is when he fails to deliver, it's effectively the whole team failing to deliver because he's basically all we have in that regard.The solution to not having enough creativity and goals in the team is to have more options. Selling our only one is madness.
It means the little creativity you've got in one of his squads have to be on the money. Theres so much riding on them, especially when we go a goal down.
And that's where I feel sorry for Campbell. It's pretty much all on him to turn negative play to positive. And when he inevitably fails the frustration builds and the crowd gets on his back. I really don't think he handles that responsibility well. Not many would.
If Jones is going to continue with such a sparse creativity cupboard then he is going to need a highly capable recruit with a very strong character.
Unfortunately, That's is not Tyreece Campbell.2 -
I was at the game on Good Friday with my Bristol City supporting nephew and his two Bristol City supporting mates. On the long trek home they all opined that the only player they were really worried about was Campbell. When I told them about this thread, they were amazed. Sell him to us they said.5
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He had a few good moments in the first half, in particular the pull back to Carey in the area. That was a quick instinctive pass and he needs to do that far more often.
However, on two occasions we saw the very worst of TC, in the first half, giving the ball away, getting dispossessed when a simple backwards pass was on, which allowed them to break forward, Bell got outstripped and we were only saved thanks to a great Mannion save.
Then in the second half he was caught daydreaming, allowed the winger acres of space which he fortunately wasted due to a bad cross.
So although he almost created one goal, he also nearly cost us two.
I can fully understand why away fans think he looks dangerous, he does!
But there's a difference between looking dangerous and actually being dangerous.
As someone mentioned earlier, he constantly flatters to deceive.3 -
Is he the football equivalent of a DJ in their current form (I say this because I know they will move on from the current trends) in that he makes it look like he's doing a lot more than he actually is? in DJ terms there's a lot of pretend knob turning and button pushing, they could take their hands of everything and the music would continue just fine. The term being touted here "flatters to deceive" has got me thinking about this, and having just worked with an irritating DJ with St Vitus Dance.Some of the highest paid DJ's turn up with a prerecorded set on a USB stick and press play, can this be equated to TC's effort?
All questions, not statements on TC.1
