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Solving the left side of the defence
Callumcafc
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You’re allowed to play any formation, any combination of fit and contracted players. What you’re not allowed to do is plug in a new signing.
Who are you playing in your back five / back four?
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If we’re allowed to have injured players then
Bree/Apter Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
If it’s what we have available now then
Bree Gough Jones Bell Fullah4 -
Today you bring on Goigh and leave Bell where he was18
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Chuks could fill in there. I can't believe he's gone.4
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Fullah at LWB is the obvious solution.
It got shot down in the match thread but Bell would surely be better there than TC and you have Lloyd, Gough and Burke in a back three or you switch to a back four and have Bell at LB and Jones and Burke at CB.
There are better solutions than TC there.There must also be players in the academy set-up that are worth a look at such a long-standing issue.4 -
Josh Edwards will be fit pretty soon, so don’t see the panic1
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It’s not necessarily panic but if Edwards goes down again we’re back in the same situation.Rothko said:Josh Edwards will be fit pretty soon, so don’t see the panic
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If we're allowed injured players -
Apter Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
Currently
Bree Gough Jones Bell Fullah1 -
Fullah is a right footed midfielder.fenaddick said:If we’re allowed to have injured players then
Bree/Apter Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
If it’s what we have available now then
Bree Gough Jones Bell Fullah1 -
Surely rousillion must be near fit enough? If there’s no interest in him playing, why is he travelling with the squad!1
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He is. And he’s not a long-term solution but he did well there at Birmingham.Gisappointed said:
Fullah is a right footed midfielder.fenaddick said:If we’re allowed to have injured players then
Bree/Apter Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
If it’s what we have available now then
Bree Gough Jones Bell Fullah3 -
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Rothko said:Josh Edwards will be fit pretty soon, so don’t see the panic
Will he? I hadn't heard confirmation of that but great news if true.4 -
Just what Jones said last week that, gave the impression that he was pretty closeDamoNorthStand said:Rothko said:Josh Edwards will be fit pretty soon, so don’t see the panic
Will he? I hadn't heard confirmation of that but great news if true.0 -
Was at the game today, running on the pitch with Karoy before the game.aso914 said:
Allegedly he’s already gone. Not sure if that’s true.sammy391 said:Surely rousillion must be near fit enough? If there’s no interest in him playing, why is he travelling with the squad!
whether That signals that he is off, as is the rumour with Karoy, I don’t know!0 -
The key for me is, if we are playing an attacking wing back on the left it has to be Bell at LCB. Gilly will be good enough with an Edwards/Bell at LWB.
But with Edwards out and Bell's fitness issues meaning he isn't really an option at LWB right now.
So I would go with
Bree, Burke (Gough), Jones, Bell, Apter.
I rate TC but I think Apter has that little bit more about him defensively. TC would be great off the bench and as a rotation in the attacking roles. A LWB he is not. Ramsay obviously comes in as soon as he's fit, as does Edwards.
In January we need at least 2 defenders, assuming Bree stays or 3 if he doesn't.3 -
But played at wing back on both sides for the u21s plenty of times.Gisappointed said:
Fullah is a right footed midfielder.fenaddick said:If we’re allowed to have injured players then
Bree/Apter Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
If it’s what we have available now then
Bree Gough Jones Bell Fullah
He’s also pretty much as two footed as you could be. I’ve seen people claim he’s left footed.
He was interviewed after an u21 game and said he doesn’t know which foot is his strongest (or along those lines).6 -
i would have played fullah there and kept TC up top or in the hole3
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Today I would have gone:
Bree Burke Jones Bell
With 2 holding midfielders in front of them in Anderson and Coventry, TC, Carey, Fullah behind Kelman
If everyone's fit
Ramsay Burke Jones Bell Edwards
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The answer is so blindly obvious we can just close the thread after i share the correct answer. We have to go to a back 4, we just dont have the personel to stick with the back 5 and anyone we could recall wouldnt be of the required quality either. So its a back 4 - Bell (until Edwards is back), Jones, Ramsay, Bree. When edwards is back have Jones and Bell in centre and move Ramsay to RB, even if we dont move ramsay to RB just give us so much more options.
The either go 4-5-1 if we need to accept we are going to have to flood the midfield when playing better teams or go 4-3-3 at home or where we can get a win. Its important to remember that defending isnt just the defences job and our shape at times this season in midfield has been dreadful.3 -
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Anyone wanting Ramsay as a CB in a back four needs their head checking10
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The only thing blindingly obvious is that this is a terrible take. Ramsay and Bell are not back 4 centre backs, they never have been and never will be. It completely removes from their game one of the things they are best at in carrying the ball forward. They are both so key to us being able to progress the ball from the back and in retaining possession, but they aren’t going to be able to do that from CB in a back 4. They are both also brilliant 1v1 defenders in wide areas, Ramsay especially. Playing either of them as a CB in a back 4 is removing most of what makes them brilliant players.Radostanradical said:The answer is so blindly obvious we can just close the thread after i share the correct answer. We have to go to a back 4, we just dont have the personel to stick with the back 5 and anyone we could recall wouldnt be of the required quality either. So its a back 4 - Bell (until Edwards is back), Jones, Ramsay, Bree. When edwards is back have Jones and Bell in centre and move Ramsay to RB, even if we dont move ramsay to RB just give us so much more options.
The either go 4-5-1 if we need to accept we are going to have to flood the midfield when playing better teams or go 4-3-3 at home or where we can get a win. It’s important to remember that defending isnt just the defences job and our shape at times this season in midfield has been dreadful.If we play a back 4, then Jones and Burke are the only 2 centre backs I’d trust in it. And even both of them are much much better in a back 3. We will continue to play a back 3 though, because it’s what we’ve signed each defender we have to play in and it’s what they are best at6 -
We need to sign a left footed centre half to replace Gillesphey. He’s because a liability . I wouldn’t sign Bree either but if he’s a free then it might be worth it . Burke has hamstrings made of cheese strings which again is puting the team under pressure.2
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TC is a better option than Fullah and Apter at LWB, he’s better defensively and Jones knows this which is why he picks him there ahead of them.If you examine the 2 games that Fullah and Apter played, they had much less defensive responsibility tactically than TC has had in a lot of his games
Fullah vs Birmingham - Fullah was tasked with pressing high up to Birmingham’s right back Iwata. Gillesphey dealt with the dangerous Patrick Roberts behind. Iwata is not a natural full back, he’s a central midfield player and drifts centrally. So Fullah wasn’t playing a traditional wing back role, he was pressing Iwata and then following him more central. Jones probably picked Fullah for this game because of his central midfield familiarity as he ended up following Iwata centrally a lot in our man to man system
Apter vs Oxford - Bizarrely Oxford obviously hadn’t done much research and didn’t try and target our left hand side. They played a back 5 and their RWB was Brodie Spencer who has very little attacking threat, Oxford were also terrible and offered no threat in general. It was a much easier game for Apter defensively than anything TC has had to contend with. Oxford subbed on an attacking RWB later in the game but Apter had already been subbed off for TC by that point.
TC isn’t good at wing back, it’s not his position. But he’s had some alright games there, Wrexham away probably his best defensively. If either Apter or Fullah had been chucked in to some of the games TC has been at LWB then they probably would have struggled even more than TC did. Tactically Fullah made more sense against Birmingham and Oxford’s lack of threat meant Apter was fine against Oxford. But both of them would have probably been torn apart by Kabore at Wrexham or by Brittain at Middlesbrough or Van Ewijk at Coventry but TC put a shift in and did ok.I don’t think it’s fair to compare Apter and Fullah’s games at wing back to TC’s, when their games were much easier due to the opposition/tactics of the game7 -
So to answer your question
Everyone fit: Bree, Ramsay, Jones, Bell, Edwards
Now: Bree, Gough, Jones, Bell, TC
I’d also bring back Zach Mitchell and start him over Gough, if we haven’t brought in a new centre back or got Ramsay/Burke fit again by the Sheff Utd game1 -
Kaminski
Ramsey Jones bell Coventry
Anderson fullah Costello
Apter kelman Campbell
Now Coventry is very decent positionally and aggressive. He doesn't need to overlap, just move with the ball to in front of the defence. Out of possession/under pressure Campbell and apter revert to wingbacks with Coventry chasing everything Infront of the defence. If we fully behind, sub Ramsey and slot Costello there with the same function as Coventry, and brings leaburn on for a 424. Could even then use carey and kibbs as wide midfielders to replace Campbell and apter , not to get crosses in but to move the ball from out wide, to centrally to leaburn
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Go and buy Ethan Pye from Stockport, problem solved.1
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If I’ve understood the intention of the original post… it’s for any creative ideas for dealing with our current LB predicament? Fans seem to get very upset with Jones for sticking TC at LWB, for example.If so, saying “Edwards” misses the point a bit?1
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Responses show me what I was thinking too .... as much as Gillesphey has credit and was great in League 1 and play off final, I think his Championship football days are behind him. Sorry to say this, because he has been a great servant to the club. Perhaps a loan move back to Plymouth in exchange for Alex Mitchell.1
