Conor Coady Signs On Loan From Wrexham

Crispywood

ShootersHillGuru said:

CAFCsayer said:

Scoham said:

CAFCsayer said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

NabySarr said:

Think there’s a decent chance Wrexham just pay him off in the summer and we pick him up on a free 

Wrexham are not out of the promotion picture by any stretch. Currently 6th so they could easily find themselves in the playoffs and then who knows. They’ll either be a Prem side next year or will strengthen again in the summer if they’re not. I’d imagine Coady will be surplus whichever. 

If they go up I imagine Coady will have a hefty promotion wage increase

Doesn't strike me as the type to be happy taking a wage and not playing.

From Cawley's interview with Chambers, Coady's working on his coaching badges. Continuing to play and maybe even get involved in coaching (even if not officially his role) could only help him with his ambitions to stay in football.

Me either, but it is going to be a huge difference and even for someone not happy not playing, i reckon itd be too big to turn down. Lets say he has a 25% increase on promotion to the Prem (pure conjecture, but id be surprised if he didnt have close), thatd be over 31k per week. I cant see us offering much more than 10k per week, that is a difference of over million quid for the year

£10k. I wouldn’t get out of bed for that.

Would be interesting if we could actually see our wage bill. Considering it’s the 3rd lowest in the league I’d be surprised if we’re paying a lot of players 5 figures a week. Even 10k for a squad player may be a little steep.

MarcusH26

Crispywood said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

CAFCsayer said:

Scoham said:

CAFCsayer said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

NabySarr said:

Think there’s a decent chance Wrexham just pay him off in the summer and we pick him up on a free 

Wrexham are not out of the promotion picture by any stretch. Currently 6th so they could easily find themselves in the playoffs and then who knows. They’ll either be a Prem side next year or will strengthen again in the summer if they’re not. I’d imagine Coady will be surplus whichever. 

If they go up I imagine Coady will have a hefty promotion wage increase

Doesn't strike me as the type to be happy taking a wage and not playing.

From Cawley's interview with Chambers, Coady's working on his coaching badges. Continuing to play and maybe even get involved in coaching (even if not officially his role) could only help him with his ambitions to stay in football.

Me either, but it is going to be a huge difference and even for someone not happy not playing, i reckon itd be too big to turn down. Lets say he has a 25% increase on promotion to the Prem (pure conjecture, but id be surprised if he didnt have close), thatd be over 31k per week. I cant see us offering much more than 10k per week, that is a difference of over million quid for the year

£10k. I wouldn’t get out of bed for that.

Would be interesting if we could actually see our wage bill. Considering it’s the 3rd lowest in the league I’d be surprised if we’re paying a lot of players 5 figures a week. Even 10k for a squad player may be a little steep.

Would expect Kaminski,Burke and Bell to be on 10k+ a week maaaybe Kelman? 

thenewbie

ShootersHillGuru said:

Wrexham seem to sign players with enough quality to achieve their short term goals with little thought to building a squad for the future and there’s a need to spend and discard every window. Might be very myopic but it’s served them well over the last few seasons. Who would bet against them achieving Premiership status over the next season or two.

I've said before that I'm sure their strategy is simply to get into the Premiership as quickly as possible and then probably flog the club on and walk off with a tasty profit. Sustainability is not something that they care about, that will be for whoever comes next to deal with.

CombeMartin

thenewbie said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Wrexham seem to sign players with enough quality to achieve their short term goals with little thought to building a squad for the future and there’s a need to spend and discard every window. Might be very myopic but it’s served them well over the last few seasons. Who would bet against them achieving Premiership status over the next season or two.

I've said before that I'm sure their strategy is simply to get into the Premiership as quickly as possible and then probably flog the club on and walk off with a tasty profit. Sustainability is not something that they care about, that will be for whoever comes next to deal with

Flog the club and walk off ?, I'm not a Wrexham fan at all, but If they did that they would be slagged off mercilessly. I'm not sure those two film stars would like the worldwide derision that would come their way. 

AberystwythAddick

Pundit on Arsenal wolves tonight 

Alwaysneil

Hope he's doing that from an ice bath or hyperbaric chamber as he definitely needs a strong recovery for the next game

orpingtonRED

Im actually disliking Wrexham more than I thought I could 

gmantaxi

Why is he wearing ankle swingers 🤷‍♂️

Callumcafc

I see a couple of folks on social media are not happy that he was on Arsenal Wolves punditry the day after the Pompey game… like he can’t do anything other than play football and if he wasn’t on TV he’d be at Sparrows Lane at 9pm.

Diebythesword

ShootersHillGuru said:

Wrexham seem to sign players with enough quality to achieve their short term goals with little thought to building a squad for the future and there’s a need to spend and discard every window. Might be very myopic but it’s served them well over the last few seasons. Who would bet against them achieving Premiership status over the next season or two.

That doesn’t sound like a parky transfer policy at all…(!)

Bostonaddick

I am not completely convinced in starting him over Coventry.  He is decent in possession but in days like today where we don’t have a lot of possession, his lack of pace is problematic.  There were a number of times where Doc and Carey had to shift more into the middle to cover for Coady being either too deep or a step behind the man he was marking

fenaddick

Bostonaddick said:

I am not completely convinced in starting him over Coventry.  He is decent in possession but in days like today where we don’t have a lot of possession, his lack of pace is problematic.  There were a number of times where Doc and Carey had to shift more into the middle to cover for Coady being either too deep or a step behind the man he was marking

I thought he was good today but Coventry also looked back to his best (probably over his injury) when he came on. At some point I'd like to see Coady and Coventry together but Doc is playing too well for that at the moment

Weegie Addick

Coady and Coventry together?? No, not for me unless we drop a defender or two. 

Coady is kind of anonymous in an impressive way. He’s rarely on the ball but influences the game. 

Crispywood

fenaddick said:

Bostonaddick said:

I am not completely convinced in starting him over Coventry.  He is decent in possession but in days like today where we don’t have a lot of possession, his lack of pace is problematic.  There were a number of times where Doc and Carey had to shift more into the middle to cover for Coady being either too deep or a step behind the man he was marking

I thought he was good today but Coventry also looked back to his best (probably over his injury) when he came on. At some point I'd like to see Coady and Coventry together but Doc is playing too well for that at the moment

We’re a defensive enough side as it is not sure about playing 2 cdm’s as well. Docherty may lack the technical ability of coady + Coventry but he’s got the legs and ability to progress with the ball far more suited to the box to box role than Coventry is 

Alwaysneil

We’re a defensive enough side as it is not sure about playing 2 cdm’s as well. Docherty may lack the technical ability on the ball of a 3 legged whippet but he’s got the legs and ability to progress with the ball far more suited to the box to box role than Coventry is 

Gave your post a helping hand there, although Doc did actually complete some passes today which was promising as mid-week his completion rate was near zero for anything forwards or longer than 3 yards. He always tries hard and with a little more composure in possession would be much better liked. 

buckshee

I hope he’s ok, real nasty headbutt that. No wonder he went down like he did. 😂

KettsJohn

Will see Coventry back next Saturday as Coady unable to play against his parent team.

MickeyBennett

fenaddick said:

Bostonaddick said:

I am not completely convinced in starting him over Coventry.  He is decent in possession but in days like today where we don’t have a lot of possession, his lack of pace is problematic.  There were a number of times where Doc and Carey had to shift more into the middle to cover for Coady being either too deep or a step behind the man he was marking

I thought he was good today but Coventry also looked back to his best (probably over his injury) when he came on. At some point I'd like to see Coady and Coventry together but Doc is playing too well for that at the moment

Id go a step further. Zach Mitchell, Coventry and Coady in midfield 3.

Alwaysneil

MickeyBennett said:

fenaddick said:

Bostonaddick said:

I am not completely convinced in starting him over Coventry.  He is decent in possession but in days like today where we don’t have a lot of possession, his lack of pace is problematic.  There were a number of times where Doc and Carey had to shift more into the middle to cover for Coady being either too deep or a step behind the man he was marking

I thought he was good today but Coventry also looked back to his best (probably over his injury) when he came on. At some point I'd like to see Coady and Coventry together but Doc is playing too well for that at the moment

Id go a step further. Zach Mitchell, Coventry and Coady in midfield 3.

Bit defensive, i think Gough, Coventry and Coady could do a job though 😁

MuttleyCAFC

He is like having a manager on the pitch. That is helpful for a side where we are. Coventry works harder and is a good player and we shall see him at home to Wrexham as Coady won't be able to play. 

fenaddick

To be clear I’d be letting Coventry roam forward further, in the same sort of role Doc has. He has the engine for it and last season kept randomly popping up near the box

Sword65pf

fenaddick said:

To be clear I’d be letting Coventry roam forward further, in the same sort of role Doc has. He has the engine for it and last season kept randomly popping up near the box

But he doesn’t shoot  and passes back or sideways. If he added shooting to his game he’d be twice the player.

fenaddick

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

To be clear I’d be letting Coventry roam forward further, in the same sort of role Doc has. He has the engine for it and last season kept randomly popping up near the box

But he doesn’t shoot  and passes back or sideways. If he added shooting to his game he’d be twice the player.

Some of that is down to his position though I think, I think it’s worth a shot if Doc’s form dips 

Sword65pf

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

To be clear I’d be letting Coventry roam forward further, in the same sort of role Doc has. He has the engine for it and last season kept randomly popping up near the box

But he doesn’t shoot  and passes back or sideways. If he added shooting to his game he’d be twice the player.

Some of that is down to his position though I think, I think it’s worth a shot if Doc’s form dips 

If he’s told to shoot on sight then absolutely, take chances like lampard used too, the amount of deflected goals he scored was unreal, just because he had a pop. Conor frustrates in those situations.

elbiglad

I love his composure, unsurprising for someone who has played at his level. He heads to pass rather than just clear it, protects the ball well, plays passes at the right time. Yesterday was the most impressed I’ve been with him.  

I agree with Fenaddick re Coventry having the potential to play a bit higher, suggested the same a while ago. Similar to Rice for Arsenal, who has been unlocked even though many doubted he could do it. Cov definitely has the engine, vision and I think he’s a better carrier of the ball than he gets credit for. 

Separately, I just don’t think midfielders are encouraged to shoot as much anymore - especially not as much as Lampard was, who is the pinnacle of goalscoring midfielders in this country. Also, you’ve seen the reaction Carey gets when he does it too much - even though he’s our top scorer! Not something I’d be asking Cov to do with any regularity - either in his current position or further forward. 

Crispywood

elbiglad said:

I love his composure, unsurprising for someone who has played at his level. He heads to pass rather than just clear it, protects the ball well, plays passes at the right time. Yesterday was the most impressed I’ve been with him.  

I agree with Fenaddick re Coventry having the potential to play a bit higher, suggested the same a while ago. Similar to Rice for Arsenal, who has been unlocked even though many doubted he could do it. Cov definitely has the engine, vision and I think he’s a better carrier of the ball than he gets credit for. 

Separately, I just don’t think midfielders are encouraged to shoot as much anymore - especially not as much as Lampard was, who is the pinnacle of goalscoring midfielders in this country. Also, you’ve seen the reaction Carey gets when he does it too much - even though he’s our top scorer! Not something I’d be asking Cov to do with any regularity - either in his current position or further forward. 

Don’t think we can compare Coventry to Rice 😭. We tried Coventry as an 8 a few times last year when Taylor had the opportunity to play as a 6 dont remembering him looking any better than he does as CDM. Has the engine for it but doesn’t really have the agility, pace and ability to progress the ball. He’s a tidy player but very much someone who calms the game down rather than taking it to the opposition and has that flair or spark 

Chunes

I'm not sure what attributes Coventry has that would allow him to play higher. He is almost perfect positionally and solid in the tackle. What he can't do is progress the ball, play on the half-turn or ball carry. 

elbiglad

I’m talking about him in Doc’s role and not Carey’s, to be clear. 

I am obviously not putting him in the same bracket as Rice, don’t be obtuse. I am comparing the transition from ‘holding’ midfielder to ‘box to box’. CC and DR play a similar position, in a similar way, and people made the same criticisms of Rice that you have just made about Coventry. Arteta has given him more license to go forward and his game improved massively. 

I am saying I think he has the POTENTIAL to play the Doc position, and it’s worth trying because buying a player who can run AND play with the ball in that position will cost a lot of money. 

elbiglad

Chunes said:

I'm not sure what attributes Coventry has that would allow him to play higher. He is almost perfect positionally and solid in the tackle. What he can't do is progress the ball, play on the half-turn or ball carry. 

Yeah - clarified I meant Doc’s role above, poorly worded first post. I actually think some of those attributes are being restricted in his current role. I don’t think he’s asked to risk playing progressively as we don’t build through the lines. Don’t see why Jones would want him carrying the ball regularly as he’s often picking it up from the CBs. 

I feel like when he does get forward he has good close interplay with others, is able to move the ball quickly and is better carrying the ball than he gets credit for. I’m not saying he will 100% be better in that position, but wouldn’t mind seeing it. 

Chunes

elbiglad said:

I’m talking about him in Doc’s role and not Carey’s, to be clear. 

I am obviously not putting him in the same bracket as Rice, don’t be obtuse. I am comparing the transition from ‘holding’ midfielder to ‘box to box’. CC and DR play a similar position, in a similar way, and people made the same criticisms of Rice that you have just made about Coventry. Arteta has given him more license to go forward and his game improved massively. 

I am saying I think he has the POTENTIAL to play the Doc position, and it’s worth trying because buying a player who can run AND play with the ball in that position will cost a lot of money. 

I get what you mean but not all good players cost good money. Sonny Carey didn't, we just need the CM version of him. Ebou Adams would have been great, I don't know why we didn't go in for him (or if we did). Galbraith went to Swansea but didn't cost anything. There are a decent bunch of Championship midfielders out of contract in the summer like Dozzell, De Norre, Doyle, Slater, Baker, etc.. And then there's always the chance Phil Chapple pulls the next Pirlo out of Poland.